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So I was for the first time ever given notice through the lo cocolawyer11/16/16
Take the haircut. I'm sure you know family law is all about jorgedeclaro11/16/16
Take the haircut... never heard that saying before. Yeah cocolawyer11/16/16
I just had another client today tell me that when "he says d cocolawyer11/16/16
You think a job at DCSS will be better? I doubt it. Same i jeffm11/16/16
I know people that are attorneys at DCSS. They love it and w cocolawyer11/16/16
UPDATE: Was just on a conference call with partners, me, and cocolawyer11/16/16
Didn't we see a thread before on some attorney's response to jeffm11/16/16
Yeah you can't say much without violating confidentially. R cocolawyer11/16/16
Google "Hassell v Bird". Interesting case, with potentially guyingorillasuit11/17/16
We are going through the same thing. The dush bag teacher, c prodigy11/16/16
We had this come up on a collections matter. We tried a bank snowday7507/09/18
Fee has to be reasonable, even if it’s a contingency fee. jorgedeclaro07/09/18
I thought 20% in itself was "reasonable." I don't get a cent snowday7507/09/18
cocolawyer (Nov 16, 2016 - 3:22 pm)

So I was for the first time ever given notice through the local bar association of a fee dispute. Its a stupid dispute over "emails" that there was no "value." We are going to win the arbitration but here is the kicker. A$$hat is going to place a bad review on one of the many review sites. That is what really gets my firms attention (not positive either).

I feel sick to my stomach.

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jorgedeclaro (Nov 16, 2016 - 3:45 pm)

Take the haircut. I'm sure you know family law is all about client control on the front end. They will still go sideways on you sometimes. Which is why I'm glad not to practice it.

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cocolawyer (Nov 16, 2016 - 4:26 pm)

Take the haircut... never heard that saying before.

Yeah client control was in place. He was fine with the bill until he reconciled. Now all the emails had no "value." I tried to reign him in...just didn't work. Client had nothing to lose as the case was over.

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cocolawyer (Nov 16, 2016 - 4:40 pm)

I just had another client today tell me that when "he says do something do it." I almost lost my ****. I barely remained composed. I am getting ready to drop him as a client but the f'ng reviews. I hope I get the position at DCSS. God I hate this job.

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jeffm (Nov 16, 2016 - 4:54 pm)

You think a job at DCSS will be better? I doubt it. Same issues. Same petty people; perhaps even worse. Massive case load. Job is probably mentally not challenging at all. Just dull, routine overwork for society's idiots lining up for your bureaucracy to solve their non-unique problems. Next. Ching! Next. Ching!

If you are looking for happy customers, stay out of family law. These are typically not very happy people.

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cocolawyer (Nov 16, 2016 - 5:32 pm)

I know people that are attorneys at DCSS. They love it and would never leave.

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cocolawyer (Nov 16, 2016 - 6:37 pm)

UPDATE: Was just on a conference call with partners, me, and former client. He said that I was on drugs and an alcoholic (I have like a drink or two a year...caffeine is my guilty device). After sitting there for 15 minutes listening to this. I finally responded. I pointed out each email and letter that contradicted what he said. I pointed out the judgment that contradicted what client said. Client finally just began screaming "F*** You, you have no value. What did I get for your service. Nothing!"

Client had reconciled so yeah really got no "value." After the call my partners told me that I needed to basically suck client off to make sure no bad reviews. There is no God.

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jeffm (Nov 16, 2016 - 8:11 pm)

Didn't we see a thread before on some attorney's response to a bad rating where the attorney explained what happened and why the bad review is unwarranted? I think the big issue was whether that constituted impermissible disclosure of attorney-client information or whether client opened the door.

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cocolawyer (Nov 16, 2016 - 10:07 pm)

Yeah you can't say much without violating confidentially. Review sites give us no value

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guyingorillasuit (Nov 17, 2016 - 12:28 am)

Google "Hassell v Bird". Interesting case, with potentially wide consequences. This was granted review by the CA Supreme Court 2 months ago. Link below.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17639079783834545670&q=hassell+yelp&hl=en&as_sdt=2006

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prodigy (Nov 16, 2016 - 7:52 pm)

We are going through the same thing. The dush bag teacher, complained about phone calls, he made the Hippa information that was obtained, emails, everything. He stated that he wanted all his retainer back. It is going to arbitration in ten days. The reviews on the website that him and his family put on the websites will be bad for business going forward.

it's easy to get him back, he didn't want his wife's sister-in-law who works at the same school to know that he his on suboxone and an alcoholic, and a psycho. Oh he teaches at one of the best school district.

Overdose and suicide will be his downfall. Payback is a bi**h. Get him when he least expects it.

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snowday75 (Jul 9, 2018 - 6:42 pm)

We had this come up on a collections matter. We tried a bank account immediately after Judgment to collect. Popped $16,000. Client threatened to report us for our 20% fee for “little effort.”

We settled at $750 over the costs (~$650).


Imagine if a Doctor sliced his bill whenever he came up with a very quick solution to your problem.


You just take the beating and blackball the client.

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jorgedeclaro (Jul 9, 2018 - 8:33 pm)

Fee has to be reasonable, even if it’s a contingency fee. That said, risk is taken into account whether a fee is reasonable. You striking lightening is worth something, even if it’s not the full fee.

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snowday75 (Jul 9, 2018 - 8:38 pm)

I thought 20% in itself was "reasonable." I don't get a cent of commission so the result matters not to me. Rest assured, I would never own a law firm. No other profession sets up tribunals of milquetoast rich-boys to rob the working echelon of said profession of its bread and water. You never see millionaire plumbing company owners yelling down at a journeyman plumber for collecting his full fee for fixing a pipe without having to cut and replumb the whole line. A medicaldoctor in a fee arb? A ha ha ha. . .

Contingencies on collections matters for national credit cards are sitting at about 14-18% now. Try running those numbers on anything less than an established mill with the ability to handle millions in ARs a month.

As Coco has shown, both in quitting his job for State of Cali, and now returning to that crap job from State of Cal, law is a grind.

Hopefully prospects see posts like this.

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