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Droping out of law school

I am in a little emergency that I need to resolve ASAP this rufay0901/10/17
Drop out, don't reenroll, sell real estate. There is nothing trollfeeder01/10/17
"... as long as I get the JD and can get a decent job." The hairypalms01/10/17
The smart move is to Drop out. You'll have a hard time impro molawmo01/10/17
Drop out OP. That's the only smart move. If you feel the isthisit01/10/17
ok, let's start with your first mistake: attending a Tier 3 dingbat01/10/17
Everything that you have described screams Financial Advisor latinforliar01/10/17
CFA? that's not for financial advisors, that's for research dingbat01/10/17
Correct - sorry - wrong designation. CFP is what I was looki latinforliar01/10/17
Correct - sorry - wrong designation. CFP is what I was looki latinforliar01/10/17
I hate to say it, but I think you dug yourself into a hole y mrtor01/10/17
In short...Drop out. As far as your schools bar passage r jdcumlaude01/10/17
New National Jurist....guess what they are trying to emphasi jdcumlaude01/14/17
Even if you get your GPA up, with those grades you are almos anothernjlawyer01/10/17
Yes, I don't know much about what it takes to get hired in l shuiz01/10/17
OP, not sure if you are aware, but law careers are made duri hairypalms01/10/17
I dropped out in the middle of my first semester. My advice kickflipninja01/10/17
this jdcumlaude01/10/17
Drop out. Failing a 1L class is basically the kiss of death, flharfh01/10/17
Facts are facts. And under this fact pattern, you're dead i mtobeinf01/10/17
I've read the OP's post carefully, and all the intervening r inho2solo01/10/17
Firstly, I hope your health is good, and all is well. T patenttrollnj01/10/17
I got sick during school, but stayed the course. This looks sfgiantsfan01/11/17
Yup. I got sick. Was never the same in re practicing there mtobeinf01/11/17
When I got sick studying was an appreciated distraction and jellymuch01/11/17
Another vote from me to drop out. This is a blessing in disg cranky01/11/17
Drop out and cut losses. View this as a business owner maki nolawstud01/11/17
OP, I scored either in the top 1% or the top 2% on my LSAT ( wolfman01/11/17
Adding to this, the universe of legal jobs is shrinking. patenttrollnj01/11/17
DROP OUT ASAP. You have torched your 1L GPA. There is pr acerimmer01/11/17
Let me add my voice to the swelling chorus here: cut your lo drwayoflife01/12/17
Dropping out seems to be your only option. Sadly. homerbluth01/12/17
You're in a Battle of Dunkirk-type moment. You need to get o acerimmer01/12/17
Well, to offer an opposing view, if one takes the perspectiv anonattempt01/12/17
There's no reality in which OP should not drop out. Befo loser1201/12/17
My advice would usually be more optimistic than most. Maybe contemplativestudent01/13/17

rufay09 (Jan 10, 2017 - 1:44 am)

I am in a little emergency that I need to resolve ASAP this week and need some advice.

I started my first semester this past fall in a top tier 3 law school (is a new school but has had the top bar passage rates in the state for the last years) . I had some health problems was in the emergency room during my reading period and I did not have enough time to study and ended up not doing well I had one c , c- and an f in contracts wanted to review the exam but the prof does not want to review Until the second week drop and add period will be done by then
My gpa is currently 1.15 and if I don't bring it up to at least a 2 I
Will be dismissed at the end of the spring . They have a program in my school that is supposed to help student's legal reasoning skills and the gpa but I do not really think that my gpa is going to go up to a 2.00 (although the school says that some people who have taken the program have brought it up 1 whole point) . I feel that maybe i need to drop right now from the school and I would like to try it in a diffeeent school where I can feel comfortable because by not wanting to go over the exam until drop and add is over and pressuring me to take the finals even though I was at the emergency room incapacitated I just feel the school wants my money and really does not care about me as a student . I actually liked learning the law and doing the readings and had the discipline for it.

1.Do you guys know how likely is to get accepted again at another school even if it is lower ranked if I drop out of the school I am attending right now? ( I dont care too much about rankings as long as I get the JD and can get a decent job).(If you know of any schools that would be likely to accept me again after dropping out let me know )

2.Would you recommend me dropping out or trying it this semester and see if I get dismissed or not?
( I am not sure if it makes a difference being dismissed vs dropping out) In this case a did bad because I did not have enough time and even showed up sick . I have everything documented.

3. I also liked the idea o being an attorney because it gives so much independence and you can even have your own business...do you guys know of any other field of study that gives that independence and is worth studying it ...I was thinking about a masters in accounting. ( My ug degree was Criminal Justice with a minor in business ) I am also a real estate broker and love the world of business.

Thanks for helping

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trollfeeder (Jan 10, 2017 - 7:27 am)

Drop out, don't reenroll, sell real estate. There is nothing about transferring to a lower ranked school, to desperately get a jd that is a sound career move. You want to prove to yourself that you can finish law school, that is more of a personal goals, than one that will be best for your finances and your future.

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hairypalms (Jan 10, 2017 - 7:47 am)

"... as long as I get the JD and can get a decent job." The only job you will likely obtain with those grades and coming out of a Tier 3 school is self-employment. Do you have 3 years worth of savings to see yourself through to profitability? Personally, I think you should drop out. It will be very hard to get your GPA up to a respectable level at this point, particularly one where a firm would be willing to hire you. This is s perfect time to throw in the towel and incur only one semester of law school tuition.

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molawmo (Jan 10, 2017 - 8:20 am)

The smart move is to Drop out. You'll have a hard time improving that class rank and gpa.

youll be out with minimal debt and 2.5 years of your life back.

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isthisit (Jan 10, 2017 - 8:32 am)

Drop out OP. That's the only smart move.

If you feel the need to grab a masters in something down the road just to feel like you can "do" grad school than pick something easy and inexpensive.

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dingbat (Jan 10, 2017 - 8:49 am)

ok, let's start with your first mistake: attending a Tier 3 school (unless it's the only school in the state).

Now, seeing as how you were sick, a lot of employers may be willing to forgive that and only look at next semester's grades. (make sure you specify in your cover letter). But, you will need to have stellar grades next semester. That's a pretty big gamble, but certainly better than transferring to a worse school. If you think where you are now only cares about taking your money, you'll be in for a surprise.

You have a real estate license, and that's a job that has unlimited upside potential and no substantial risk. It also lets you set your own schedule, and the possibility of owning your own business. So that's a viable option.
If you really want a more advanced field, as you mentioned, accounting is an option - if it's the kind of job you like to do. I don't think it gives you any better chances than realtor, unless you're really bad with people. In that case, you can do ok as an accountant, but will never do well. (same with the law, the skillset that'll make you rich is pretty much the same across the board - bringing in businesss)

So, your choices are:
A) drop out, become a realtor. Lots of upside potential if you can sell, total disaster if you can't.
B) drop out, become an accountant. Masters takes, what, 2 years? Costs $$. if you can't bring in business, you can still do decent. To do well you need to sell.
C) stay in law school. 3 more years. Costs $$$$. Chances of getting a job: meh. If you can't bring in business, will never go far. To do well you need to sell.

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latinforliar (Jan 10, 2017 - 9:05 am)

Everything that you have described screams Financial Advisor. Get started with a company like Edward Jones - that will hold you until you get established and can strike out on your own. You clearly naturally lean towards sales, but Financial Advising can get that itch of having clients and being a "professional". In addition, you can later go for advanced education and certifications (MBA, MS in Finance, CFA).

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dingbat (Jan 10, 2017 - 10:57 am)

CFA? that's not for financial advisors, that's for research. CFP is more appropriate

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latinforliar (Jan 10, 2017 - 12:36 pm)

Correct - sorry - wrong designation. CFP is what I was looking for.

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latinforliar (Jan 10, 2017 - 12:36 pm)

Correct - sorry - wrong designation. CFP is what I was looking for.

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mrtor (Jan 10, 2017 - 9:39 am)

I hate to say it, but I think you dug yourself into a hole you can't climb out of. Despite your illness, it is apparent that you are not one who naturally excels in this field or you would have performed better at a T3. You would need stellar grades over the remaining five semesters to even have a shot at graduating with competitive marks. Its hard enough for top T3 grads to get a decent job, let alone someone middle of the pack or worse.

Bail out. There are other more lucrative careers you can pursue.

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jdcumlaude (Jan 10, 2017 - 10:13 am)

In short...Drop out.

As far as your schools bar passage rate. I my experience schools that have no actual prestige or useful alumni base turn their entire program into very expensive bar prep course...the idea being they can use their high bar passage rate to take focus off their employment number...*cough..cough campbell... cough....cough*

Drop, lose a bit of money, gain a whole lot of life back. There are a lot of law grads who would have been better off selling junk at a flea market.

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jdcumlaude (Jan 14, 2017 - 3:50 pm)

New National Jurist....guess what they are trying to emphasize...bar passage rates....not employment...bar passage.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/cypress/nationaljurist_2017winter/#/28

I have to say that using LSAT scores as a predictor for bar passage is also complete bunk. This forces lower tier schools to the top of the list by their LSAT numbers alone. It also make the t14 schools look incompetent by equating high admission standards to high bar exam results so under the methodology given in this article every t14-20 school should have 100% passage on the bar and anything short would give them a negative score...Whereas lower tier schools have their results grossly inflated by having the expectation lowered due to their lower admissions standards.

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anothernjlawyer (Jan 10, 2017 - 10:16 am)

Even if you get your GPA up, with those grades you are almost certainly not going to get any kind of summer employment after 1L. The most you could hope for would be some unpaid "internship" at a dump office making photocopies and moving boxes. No 1L summer work = No 2L summer work = no job at graduation = financial ruin.

Get out dude. Take your criminal justice degree and go into law enforcement.....I wish I had.

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shuiz (Jan 10, 2017 - 12:13 pm)

Yes, I don't know much about what it takes to get hired in law enforcement, but I'd think criminal justice and accounting sounds promising. No?

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hairypalms (Jan 10, 2017 - 9:36 pm)

OP, not sure if you are aware, but law careers are made during 1L. Come fall of your 2L year, law schools have on campus recruiting. Whether you get an interview is based almost exclusively on your 1L grades. Thus, anotherlawyer's equation (above) is accurate: No 2L work = no job at graduation = financial ruin. No large law firm is going to consider you for a job based on your 1st semester grades regardless of whether you have a viable excuse. Why - because it's easier for them to just find a candidate that DOES have the grades. Welcome to the law of supply and demand, a law which will follow you all throughout your legal career if you so choose to persist. I strongly urge you to cut your losses now.

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kickflipninja (Jan 10, 2017 - 1:16 pm)

I dropped out in the middle of my first semester. My advice: Drop out.

When you talk to the dean about dropping out, you'll get pitched some legal reasoning program, you'll get implored to reconsider, or at least sleep on it for a week or two. Don't reconsider. There's nothing there for you. Just sign the papers and say hello to your new life. Your classmates will secretly envy you.

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jdcumlaude (Jan 10, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

this

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flharfh (Jan 10, 2017 - 2:02 pm)

Drop out. Failing a 1L class is basically the kiss of death, sorry to say. Even if you manage to stay in school and graduate, the odds of you obtaining a decent legal job without having connections are very low. If you stay you are throwing good money after bad.

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mtobeinf (Jan 10, 2017 - 5:27 pm)

Facts are facts. And under this fact pattern, you're dead in the water.

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inho2solo (Jan 10, 2017 - 8:00 pm)

I've read the OP's post carefully, and all the intervening responses, and I am certain that all of those who say the OP should drope out are correct.

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patenttrollnj (Jan 10, 2017 - 8:26 pm)

Firstly, I hope your health is good, and all is well.

That being said, drop out! Don't give that school one more penny.

Try to find a job ASAP, and work for some time before you jump into anything else.

Good luck!

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sfgiantsfan (Jan 11, 2017 - 8:11 am)

I got sick during school, but stayed the course. This looks like a blessing in disguise for you.


We know that they're obsessed with prestige and hate holes in a resume. Unless you can get admitted somewhere on the grounds of (had a mental breakdown, mother got sick) with some catastrophe for the dip in your grades, as well as the ability to carry this story to your first few jobs, drop out man.

Really, it could be a blessing in disguise.

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mtobeinf (Jan 11, 2017 - 8:17 am)

Yup. I got sick. Was never the same in re practicing thereafter. Best thing that ever happened. Added 10 yrs to my life expectancy overnight.

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jellymuch (Jan 11, 2017 - 9:20 am)

When I got sick studying was an appreciated distraction and my grades improved. Drop out.

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cranky (Jan 11, 2017 - 10:00 am)

Another vote from me to drop out. This is a blessing in disguise. You won't be able to find a job with terrible grades from a T3. Focus on a different field and you're likely to make more than the 35k-45k coveted bottom of the barrel, small law jobs anyway.

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nolawstud (Jan 11, 2017 - 10:35 am)

Drop out and cut losses. View this as a business owner making a business decision.

I decided to never attend law school and it was an amazing decision

I even took LSAT twice (Did better than 60% of takers ) and thought about it deeply for several years

At the end of day their are better things to be doing

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wolfman (Jan 11, 2017 - 2:01 pm)

OP, I scored either in the top 1% or the top 2% on my LSAT (not sure what the exact % breakdown was that year) and went to a T25 LS on a half-scholarship (not that any of it it matters one bit unless one gets a BigLaw job through OCI after 1L - as you can probably guess, I didn't).

I graduated with a J.D. and never got anything other than A and B letter grades until my last semester (C+ in a patent law class; I thought I'd like patents because I like and am good at science; big mistake). I have never failed a law school class and never even came close to failing one until, until, once again, my last semester (graduating into poverty and joblessness does funny things to one's motivation as a 3L). NEVERTHELESS, I wish I had dropped out after 1L almost EVERY week. "Decent job" with a JD? Why do you think you have any chance of getting one? I never got one. I currently work as a paralegal for the govt. and am HAPPY (well, somewhat) to have that.

The other people on this thread are correct. Drop out now.

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patenttrollnj (Jan 11, 2017 - 6:02 pm)

Adding to this, the universe of legal jobs is shrinking.

It will be even more difficult now than it was for us older attorneys.

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acerimmer (Jan 11, 2017 - 8:40 pm)

DROP OUT ASAP.

You have torched your 1L GPA. There is practically no chance that you can recover (by that I mean get up to the 3.0 mark by graduation) and have a respectable chance of being hired. You are at a Tier 3 school (which is bad) and you have bad grades.

I am sorry. I sympathize. But, you need to preserve your future. You do that by dropping out.

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drwayoflife (Jan 12, 2017 - 9:00 am)

Let me add my voice to the swelling chorus here: cut your losses, drop out now. You're future self will thank you.

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homerbluth (Jan 12, 2017 - 9:12 am)

Dropping out seems to be your only option. Sadly.

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acerimmer (Jan 12, 2017 - 2:28 pm)

You're in a Battle of Dunkirk-type moment. You need to get out to preserve your resources for the long war of life that is ahead of you. If you stay in, you will not win, and you will deplete resources that you will desperately need in the future.

No sentimentality. Life is hard, and you need to be ruthless.

Drop Out, and go have a good life.

Smoke me a Kipper, I'll be back for Breakfast.

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anonattempt (Jan 12, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

Well, to offer an opposing view, if one takes the perspective that



JK DROP OUT.

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loser12 (Jan 12, 2017 - 11:35 pm)

There's no reality in which OP should not drop out.

Before 2008, they should drop out. After 2008, they should drop out.

Even if OP graduated and passed the bar they would be incredibly disadvantaged. Their odds of lasting another semester are under 50%.

The plan is basically, "Make an unprecedented GPA jump for the privilege of paying for 2 more years to maybe/maybe not pass the bar to graduate unemployed."

There's a lot of under 50-50 likelihoods at play, and even if they all work out in OP's favor, the outcome is being indebt with no job.

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contemplativestudent (Jan 13, 2017 - 12:01 am)

My advice would usually be more optimistic than most. Maybe it still is.

I'd drop out. If anything, you're looking at a do-over as your best bet if you are to become a lawyer.

You are sunk the cost of one semester now. You appear likely to be subject to academic dismissal, and sunk the cost of two semesters and to have difficulty re-enrolling.

My advice is to cut and run, pracroce real estate for a year, and reevaluate applying again in the fall. Come spring 2018, if you gain reacceptance, prep with Barbri law school prep or some other program and go in with a good grasp of 1L black letter before learning your prof's material. You'll be better situated for success and will likely re-establish a gpa from scratch. You are in a difficult pit to climb out of. Get out while it's shallow and maybe dig a better pit more intelligently. Also, evaluate honestly if it is actually the illness that held you back, or that and a combination of other factors, before re-enrolling.

Alternatively, drop out and live the rest of your life.

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