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ICE General Attorney

A few months back there was a "many vacancies" posting for " t3success02/18/17
you do realize there's a hiring freeze, right? dingbat02/18/17
OP, I have applied for the same job twice on USAJobs: one as banana02/20/17
There's a hiring freeze OP. I also got referred but I don't isthisit02/18/17
No the email said this position was exempt from the freeze i t3success02/18/17
Naw I only skimmed it. Thanks for the info. I'll let you kno isthisit02/18/17
Thanks I will do the same. t3success02/18/17
Aside from the hiring freeze, these are tough gigs to get. superttthero02/18/17
I've applied for over 200 federal attorney jobs and only a f t3success02/18/17
haha, I haven't hit 200, but I've hit some I was very qualif superttthero02/18/17
If you're willing to relocate to south Texas or Arizona init bankofmouse02/19/17
Any insight on the interview questions? whipster02/19/17
Typically scripted. The regular - strongest skill, weakness bankofmouse02/21/17
Darn I put Detroit, Charlotte and Memphis as locations (it o t3success02/20/17
That's funny you bring this up. I applied for a General Atto greenhorn02/18/17
I got called for one of these jobs. I was not able to interv whipster02/19/17
Do you have immigration experience? t3success02/20/17
I personally don't, except for a immigration clinic I did wh greenhorn02/20/17
TOURO CLINIC!!!!!! jdu1234432103/07/17
Lol yup. Exactly that. What years were you at Touro ? greenhorn03/07/17
I was referred to one city out of three, but then heard noth oddis50002/20/17
ICE trial attorneys get a lot of court time. I've litigated shithead02/20/17
Has anyone received an interview request for this position? jacque3003/07/17
Nothing here. t3success03/07/17
Nothing here either. banana03/09/17
Nada. isthisit03/09/17
I work for DHS, not ICE, but can tell you I'm seeing a lot o porochi03/08/17
Thanks for the information. I used to be an Attorney Advisor jacque3003/08/17
Why did you quit SSA? t3success03/08/17
My family moved from DC to So Cal. It was also a dead end jo jacque3003/08/17
For external job postings, DHS uses USAJOBS. I'm not aware porochi03/08/17
"If you're talking about the public service loan forgiveness yulacu03/08/17
Good to know, thanks. porochi03/08/17

t3success (Feb 18, 2017 - 11:23 am)

A few months back there was a "many vacancies" posting for "General Attorney" with ICE. The post was for probably over 50 cities. Last week or so I was referred but of course have not gotten any further communication. Has anyone interviewed?

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dingbat (Feb 18, 2017 - 11:32 am)

you do realize there's a hiring freeze, right?

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banana (Feb 20, 2017 - 5:57 pm)

OP, I have applied for the same job twice on USAJobs: one as the same one you've applied for with over 50 cities and another that was for the specific city I live in (it was another posting). I was referred on both of those. I haven't interviewed for either. So, rest assured that no one likely has either. From what I understand about the hiring freeze, the jobs that were confirmed pre-Trump (i.e., those) were exempt from the freeze. So, I don't think that matters. Could be wrong, though.

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isthisit (Feb 18, 2017 - 11:38 am)

There's a hiring freeze OP. I also got referred but I don't expect to hear back from them (if at all) for several months possibly 4 years.

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t3success (Feb 18, 2017 - 11:42 am)

No the email said this position was exempt from the freeze if you read it carefully.

The freeze is in place against all "non-essential" hiring.

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isthisit (Feb 18, 2017 - 2:19 pm)

Naw I only skimmed it. Thanks for the info. I'll let you know if I hear back at some point.

I'm on the Beast Coast.

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t3success (Feb 18, 2017 - 6:19 pm)

Thanks I will do the same.

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superttthero (Feb 18, 2017 - 2:43 pm)

Aside from the hiring freeze, these are tough gigs to get.

I have a couple of poker buddies (don't know them too well personally) that work at our local office. The consensus is these jobs are going to people with LOTS of immigration experience or ex-longtime prosecutors.

These are all older dudes and made it clear to me that THEY wouldn't have gotten the job with the little bit of experience they had back in the 90s when they started there.

I'm not saying don't apply, still take you shot, but it's tough even sans hiring freeze.

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t3success (Feb 18, 2017 - 6:18 pm)

I've applied for over 200 federal attorney jobs and only a few interviews. I'm well aware lol.

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superttthero (Feb 18, 2017 - 6:36 pm)

haha, I haven't hit 200, but I've hit some I was very qualified for and got nothing.

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bankofmouse (Feb 19, 2017 - 9:14 pm)

If you're willing to relocate to south Texas or Arizona initially they don't really care about immigration experience. Most of the attorneys that start out in Harlingen/McAllen area end up transferring out to other offices in other cities after about 2 years. Easy job. They are union (yes, even for attorneys). So performance eval is pass/fail. As long as you show up to court and fill out information in the case management software properly, it's impossible to fail.

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whipster (Feb 19, 2017 - 11:42 pm)

Any insight on the interview questions?

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bankofmouse (Feb 21, 2017 - 11:58 am)

Typically scripted. The regular - strongest skill, weakness, time you overcame challenge, time you showed leadership, worked on a team etc... Play up computer skills - especially organization using Outlook (team calendars). Also, be willing to do a lot of things independently. Support staff is always lacking so you need to be OK with making your own copies, organizing filings etc.. Point this out in interview. Reporting up and providing "visibility" to management on issues is always a big deal, so emphasize your communication skills. Don't go in with an aggressive "deport them all" attitude. Despite the rhetoric of the current admin, they want people who are level-headed in these positions. Part of the job is to temper the enforcement officers and make sure they are doing things legally.

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t3success (Feb 20, 2017 - 6:05 am)

Darn I put Detroit, Charlotte and Memphis as locations (it only allowed 3). Probably should have just used my head and put South Texas and AZ.

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greenhorn (Feb 18, 2017 - 4:04 pm)

That's funny you bring this up. I applied for a General Attorney position with ICE over a year ago. I totally forgot about it until I too recieved an email saying I was qualified and referred to the hiring official for the locations that I selected.

This was over a year ago and I have since started my own solo practice. This is an interesting situation.

How are these gigs ? I see the top pay is about 110,000.00. I keep hearing federal attorney jobs are the holy grail of the law world, but I'm also aware that things can be blown out of proportion too.

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whipster (Feb 19, 2017 - 3:43 pm)

I got called for one of these jobs. I was not able to interview the day they wanted me to, so we will see if they call me back for the days I had open. I live in way south Texas, but near one of the detention centers, so that probably put me on the interview radar.

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t3success (Feb 20, 2017 - 6:55 am)

Do you have immigration experience?

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greenhorn (Feb 20, 2017 - 11:13 am)

I personally don't, except for a immigration clinic I did while in law school. It was a semester long program and it basically involved helping getting people get asylum in the U.S. (Most of them were monks from Tibet). This was about 9 years ago lol so I doubt they gave this any consideration.

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jdu12344321 (Mar 7, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

TOURO CLINIC!!!!!!

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greenhorn (Mar 7, 2017 - 9:06 pm)

Lol yup. Exactly that. What years were you at Touro ?

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oddis500 (Feb 20, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

I was referred to one city out of three, but then heard nothing else. I'll post if I hear anything.

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shithead (Feb 20, 2017 - 3:07 pm)

ICE trial attorneys get a lot of court time. I've litigated against many in EOIR, and they are generally very sharp. You'll be pigeonholed into EOIR litigation though. It's hard to make good money in it defense side, and there are hardly any firms in that practice area that aren't solo or small.

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jacque30 (Mar 7, 2017 - 3:26 pm)

Has anyone received an interview request for this position? I spoke with the contact provided on the job posting and she said that they need to have their list of individuals to interview within thirty days of the certified list (best qualified). That deadline is in a few days. She told me that they can request an additional thirty days, but they are currently on schedule with the hiring. Has anyone heard anything yet?

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t3success (Mar 7, 2017 - 4:57 pm)

Nothing here.

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banana (Mar 9, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

Nothing here either.

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isthisit (Mar 9, 2017 - 4:01 pm)

Nada.

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porochi (Mar 8, 2017 - 12:18 am)

I work for DHS, not ICE, but can tell you I'm seeing a lot of internal job postings from ICE OPLA seeking other DHS attys. The DHS immigration components, ICE, CBP, CIS, due to the hiring freeze, are seeking internal transferees. Mainly it's ICE and CBP. I know ICE attys. who are Trial Counsel before EOIR, I've observed many an immigration court proceeding, I can tell you, that job is a grind. Big time. Massive dockets, in court all the time, little time to adequately prepare. It reminded me of my days as a prosecutor handling the traffic court docket. A gagillion cases, no time to prepare for trial, just endless. The IJ's have it worse. That has to be the worst ALJ job out there, that and the SSA and VA ALJ's. The caseload is so absolutely crushing, I mean, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. But one thing Trump has done that could reduce the caseload is he's moved many more respondents into the expedited removal system, so fewer can actually get a hearing before an IJ. If that actually plays out like contemplated it could, over time, reduce the ICE Trial Counsel caseload and they can breathe.

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jacque30 (Mar 8, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

Thanks for the information. I used to be an Attorney Advisor for SSA Appeals Counsel in DC and am hoping for reinstatement. There are not many fed attorney jobs where I just moved (So Cal), but I need the student loan forgiveness. Does DHS only use USAJobs or do they have another site (similar to the DOJ)? Is previous fed employment helpful, even if it was not from DHS?

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t3success (Mar 8, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

Why did you quit SSA?

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jacque30 (Mar 8, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

My family moved from DC to So Cal. It was also a dead end job with almost no promotional potential. People waited years for 13 and then were stuck there until a higher-up retired.

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porochi (Mar 8, 2017 - 4:17 pm)

For external job postings, DHS uses USAJOBS. I'm not aware of any other type of external job postings. Don't count on getting the fed.'s student loan repayment if that's what you're referring to. Hardly anyone at DHS gets that. If you're talking about the public service loan forgiveness program, that requires 120 months of on time payment, consecutive, after you join. So you gotta wait a decade to get that benefit after you get back in. At least that's my understanding of the program. Previous federal employment is helpful getting on here. I got on here due to a niche practice I more or less stumbled into at my previous fed. atty. job, one that no one else wanted. I didn't mind doing it though and that niche practice got me into DHS when they were looking for someone with just that experience. Now I'm stuck forever in that niche, looks like, but hey, I did make GS-15 when I jumped to DHS and I don't mind that either. I'll keep doing this mega boring niche practice till I retire.

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yulacu (Mar 8, 2017 - 4:47 pm)

"If you're talking about the public service loan forgiveness program, that requires 120 months of on time payment, consecutive, after you join"

The payments don't have to be consecutive for public service loan forgiveness to apply. That's a popular misconception. You can start where you previously left off in terms of the number of payments that qualify.

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porochi (Mar 8, 2017 - 8:25 pm)

Good to know, thanks.

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