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Feast or Famine is the name of the game. Potential doc review job and screening job.

Hello all, I posted here a few weeks ago about not being abl banana03/01/17
What is an attorney screening job? superttthero03/01/17
Sounds fake, right? I'm not really sure how to describe it. banana03/01/17
Take the doc review job if it happens first and leave it if wolfman03/01/17
You're currently unemployed? Take the first job that's offe dingbat03/01/17
Yes, recently admitted and finding out that the job market i banana03/01/17
seriously, nothing sucks worse than being unemployed. Even dingbat03/01/17
Credited. Totally agree. banana03/01/17
I do not see your hesitation about the screening gig. Doc re nighthawk03/01/17
I agree. I definitely do not plan to become an end-all, be-a banana03/01/17
I don't think anyone ever plans to be a doc review lifer. I hairypalms10/27/17
I've seen those "screening" jobs posted every so often. Sou pauperesq03/01/17
Take the doc review while waiting for the other gig to come isthisit03/01/17
I explained above in a post right below my original. It's es banana03/01/17
Sounds simple enough. I hope it comes through for you bud &# isthisit03/01/17
"it's essentially talking to clients and convincing them to dingbat03/01/17
You said it better than I could. Thanks for the input. That' banana03/01/17
Take the job and keep looking. If you have a throwaway e dharamsala03/02/17
Thanks for the help, dhara. NJ is a bit far from where I'm w banana03/02/17
Take the first job offered to you. attorneyinct03/02/17
I knew a guy who left document review to take on a job as yo hairypalms03/02/17
Very helpful advice. I appreciate this greatly. Thank you! banana03/02/17
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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 11:12 am)

Hello all, I posted here a few weeks ago about not being able to find employment at all after passing the bar exam 6 months ago. Since then, I've actually interviewed for an "attorney" screening job that I'm waiting to hear back on. It's not so much an attorney job as it is clerical work, but it could materialize into a salaried attorney job with actual case work. My gut tells me I have a good chance of getting hired, but a decision won't be made until early next week. Truthfully, it's not ideal, but its better than what I've been doing, which is having no luck in the employment process. Yesterday, I got a call for a document review job in my city that is starting next week. I'm waiting for a call on further details, but it's pretty much mine if I want it. Both are contract based and would require at least 40 hrs/week. I don't want to get over-eager here and think I have both (I still could end up with nothing), but I don't want to turn either down in hopes of the other. In the off-chance that both are offered, do I take whichever calls first or both?

Also, I am aware of the dangers of pigeonholing oneself into contract-based jobs. Clearly, this isn't ideal or something I want to make a career out of, but I DO want to work, so I'm taking what I can get as of now.

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superttthero (Mar 1, 2017 - 11:24 am)

What is an attorney screening job?

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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 11:44 am)

Sounds fake, right? I'm not really sure how to describe it. Basically, this position entails working in a call-screening department of a mid-sized law firm that answers client calls, screens for conflicts, and analyzes if the claims have merit and/or if the client will be signed to the firm. It's a bunch of odd-end jobs rolled into one, which, of course, isn't ideal. So I guess less attorney and more clerical work, but the position required the candidate to be an attorney. It was also stated that it could materialize into a full-time salaried attorney position with more case work. For now, that's as pretty as I can make it sound. Ha.

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wolfman (Mar 1, 2017 - 11:26 am)

Take the doc review job if it happens first and leave it if and when you get the other job (just make sure you actually have the other job before saying anything). People leave doc review if they find real jobs all the time, with no notice, it's like the one reason to leave everyone understands. If the atty job materializes first, just take that and forget doc review.

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dingbat (Mar 1, 2017 - 11:40 am)

You're currently unemployed?
Take the first job that's offered.

If the first offer comes in, and you KNOW that the second is imminent, you can delay a week or so before accepting the first offer, but that's about it.

Remember, a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.

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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 11:45 am)

Yes, recently admitted and finding out that the job market in my city is extremely bleak. Thanks for the input. My thoughts as well.

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dingbat (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

seriously, nothing sucks worse than being unemployed. Even when looking for a job, it's easier if you have a job

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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:51 pm)

Credited. Totally agree.

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nighthawk (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

I do not see your hesitation about the screening gig. Doc review on the horizon? So what. Doc review will destroy you mentally and psychologically. Not just because the gig is mind numbing; also because the people who do that type of work are the most hopeless people ever. Sad, but people who do that work for long periods of time end up telling you how it is better to do doc review than it is to have a stable job that pays more, is more interesting, has upward mobility, benefits etc. They will try to convince you that doc review is the best of all options.

If the screening gig does not work out then you should become a truck driver. At least you can see the sunlight during working hours.

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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

I agree. I definitely do not plan to become an end-all, be-all doc reviewer. I don't see how anyone could think that contract work is better than stable pay. Who wants to have to wonder where their next meal is coming from? Yikes.

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hairypalms (Oct 27, 2017 - 8:37 am)

I don't think anyone ever plans to be a doc review lifer. It just happens. Might happen to you too ...

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pauperesq (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

I've seen those "screening" jobs posted every so often. Sounds like it has some growth potential, which is infinitely better than doc review (which only leads to more doc review).

Take whichever job offers first. If doc review and then the screening gig, don't hesitate to jump.

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isthisit (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

Take the doc review while waiting for the other gig to come through. As soon as it does, say adios to doc review and start the screening attorney job. BTW, what is a "screening" attorney?

full disclosure: These hands have never touched dirty doc review so I don't know if that kind of work will break your will.

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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 12:50 pm)

I explained above in a post right below my original. It's essentially talking to clients and figuring out if they'll be signed for representation or not. To be candid, though, I'm pretty sure its a new position that the firm is trying to start up, so it's still in the guinea-pig stages.

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isthisit (Mar 1, 2017 - 2:56 pm)

Sounds simple enough. I hope it comes through for you bud 👍.

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dingbat (Mar 1, 2017 - 5:42 pm)

"it's essentially talking to clients and convincing them to sign up for representation"

Fixed it for you. I know that's not what the job description is, but, if all you're doing is asking yes or no, you're not doing anything more than a monkey. But you start signing clients up more, then you're generating revenue, and that makes you valuable. And that means big bonus and/or big raise.

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banana (Mar 1, 2017 - 8:50 pm)

You said it better than I could. Thanks for the input. That's exactly what I'll be working for.

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dharamsala (Mar 2, 2017 - 8:07 am)

Take the job and keep looking.

If you have a throwaway email, I can send you a list of judges in NJ that are still hiring Judicial Law Clerks for the 2017-18 term. Clerking is a great opportunity to network with attorneys, improve your legal research and writing skills, and have in insider look into the judicial process.

Without outing yourself, what was your approximate class rank and rank of school? I landed a state clerkship with great grades from a modestly ranked school.

Best of luck!

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banana (Mar 2, 2017 - 11:02 am)

Thanks for the help, dhara. NJ is a bit far from where I'm wanting to go, but I appreciate it anyway.

My class rank was generally 50s/130s and a school ranked in upper 80s. Not wonderful, but average. In a previous post, I mentioned I went to a lower ranked school because of scholarship offers. I could have gone somewhere better, but I at least came out with no debt.

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attorneyinct (Mar 2, 2017 - 9:29 am)

Take the first job offered to you.

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hairypalms (Mar 2, 2017 - 11:24 am)

I knew a guy who left document review to take on a job as you describe, i.e., Attorney Screener Job. I gathered at the time it was to look into potential firm conflicts. Sounds pretty boring, but so is DR. I would take the Screener job. DR is a going nowhere job and it has limited longevity. At least with the screener job you will get some substantive experience where you can parlay that into another job doing the same thing. With DR you're fighting against the hoardes of people looking for these types of jobs so there is no way to differentiate yourself during the recruiting/interview process. In DR, you're a fungible commodity, essentially a piece of meat. As a screener, you will have very little competition for future jobs in this area. Also, I would envision that this type of job is not very intense (meaning not a lot of OT or rather routine), which would allow you to either work on the side or look for other, better opportunities. I would take the screener position. Either way, at this point it looks like your ability to obtain a traditional associate position in a firm is quite limited.

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banana (Mar 2, 2017 - 11:43 am)

Very helpful advice. I appreciate this greatly. Thank you!

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