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Arizona Summit now offering $36,000 stipend to delay taking the bar

This school is the gift that keeps on giving. Has anyone ha lurktastic03/03/17
I will come out of the closet- I graduated from Arizona Summ artvandelay03/03/17
I don't think ALL graduates of Phoenix's or other Infilaw sc wolfman03/03/17
1) Ghetto minorities or immigrants/foreigners, who either se triplesix03/03/17
I can remember classmates who fit the categories you mention artvandelay03/03/17
Back then, the infilaw business model was to flunk out peopl downwardslope03/05/17
Wolfman, these people who are taking advice from you are tru newyorkcity03/04/17
Actually, whatever my personal/professional shortcoming may wolfman03/06/17
dude, that's a great offer dingbat03/03/17
Even post tax a $36,000 lump sum is pretty good. You can get agentdalecooper03/03/17
I have an acquaintance from undergrad who attended and gradu barelylegal03/03/17
If law schools refunded some or all of their tuition in exch lazlo03/06/17
LOL - maybe law schools will start offering money back guara 6figuremistake03/06/17
and how do you think the school will be paying for this? Yo dingbat03/06/17
Some people need to be sacrificed for the greater good. This triplesix03/06/17
lurktastic (Mar 3, 2017 - 12:08 pm)

This school is the gift that keeps on giving. Has anyone had any personal experience with graduates from this school or other Infilaw graduates? The few I have encountered have been nice people, but not people whose work product I would want to rely on.


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artvandelay (Mar 3, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

I will come out of the closet- I graduated from Arizona Summit (back when it was Phoenix School of Law).

I think it's a mistake to make a blanket generalization that all of its graduates are idiots (I don't think I am) and cannot be trusted. At least when I attended in the late 2000s, many of my classmates were older with families. Some narrowly missed acceptance at ASU and were unable to attend a higher ranked (out of state) school due to family commitments. Others chose PSL over ASU because of the very generous scholarships offered by PSL at that time.

I cannot speak to Summit's current students, as I now live out-of-state and don't know any. Judging from Summitís recent stats, I think itís uncontroversial to conclude that most should not be in law school.

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wolfman (Mar 3, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

I don't think ALL graduates of Phoenix's or other Infilaw schools are idiots, and I guess allowances can be made for in state people who can't move (although why not wait a year and retake LSAT or whatnot?)... I hope they had scholarships.

However, I'm from the Northeast, and have "advised" several people from a local college who wanted to go to LS and were seriously considering applying to/going to Infilaw schools (two went, as far as I know; this is a few years back). Without exception, they fell into two categories:

1) Ghetto minorities or immigrants/foreigners, who either seemed mildly retarded, could barely speak English, or both. I felt sorry for some and could barely stand some others. I told them flatly not to go, and at least take some English classes instead, and tried to explain. Many were entirely unreachable, due to cultural/language barriers, and frankly, it was an ordeal to even speak with them. I cannot imagine working with one of these people in a professional white-collar job of any kind in an English-speaking country (some may be OK in their own languages).

2) "Regular" Americans (mostly female) who have somehow really screwed up in college, mostly due to academic honesty issues or drugs (I'm talking being kicked out for a year or more, not just minor stuff). No other school would take them, and they were not smart/aware enough to understand that waiting or not going was a much better choice. I think in psychiatry this is called "poor insight."

Some came from money, in which case I didn't care all that much. All had major "issues."

Two good-looking white girls from that group actually went (I forget which schools exactly, maybe even Charlotte... she must have graduated by now). One had been kicked out for cheating, and the other for dealing pot. I warned them about C&F issues (minor, compared to all the other issues involved in going to an Infilaw school), but they didn't care. At least one had family money. Hopefully, the other one can find a rich dude.

3) Did I mention the schizophrenic? A real one, she was hearing and seeing things. I think I managed to dissuade her from applying...

Just my own personal experience. Like I said, this is a fairly good college in the Northeast, so maybe people wanting to go to Phoenix Law from there were an extra-special group...

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triplesix (Mar 3, 2017 - 1:30 pm)

1) Ghetto minorities or immigrants/foreigners, who either seemed mildly retarded, could barely speak English, or both. I felt sorry for some and could barely stand some others. I told them flatly not to go, and at least take some English classes instead, and tried to explain. Many were entirely unreachable, due to cultural/language barriers, and frankly, it was an ordeal to even speak with them. I cannot imagine working with one of these people in a professional white-collar job of any kind in an English-speaking country (some may be OK in their own languages).

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artvandelay (Mar 3, 2017 - 1:37 pm)

I can remember classmates who fit the categories you mentioned. However, MANY were "regular people" who could have gone to a T2 or T3 but didn't (again, for family, financial, or other reasons).

Mind you, this was almost 10 years ago now, when PSL's bar passage rates were comparable to ASU and U of A. Summit's "business model" has certainly changed.

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downwardslope (Mar 5, 2017 - 8:45 am)

Back then, the infilaw business model was to flunk out people who couldn't pass the bar. I've met some infilaw grads from around 8-12 years ago who were not so bad, but at that point everyone who made it through was expected to pass in a few tries. Some of the people I knew from that group were simply horrible test takers, although I do know a few people who went and managed to pass the bar who really shouldn't have gone to law school in the first place.

I remember when I was in law school in the Midwest the default desperation option was Cooley and by that point it was like everyone I knew would sit down with the person and plead with them not to go. If they couldn't get in to anywhere BUT Cooley, it was not worth it. People would still go anyway.

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newyorkcity (Mar 4, 2017 - 10:42 am)

Wolfman, these people who are taking advice from you are true idiots.
Only an idiot would take career advice from a J.D. who will never get licensed and will work as a paralegal forever. (Remind us again why you are better than these idiots. BTW, has Trump made you great again yet?)

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wolfman (Mar 6, 2017 - 1:00 pm)

Actually, whatever my personal/professional shortcoming may be, I have given people very good advice - and many have been grateful. In fact, it's one of the few good things I've done as a result of the whole law school debacle.

As far as my working as a paralegal forever: LOL. You know nothing about me.

I would opine as to likely career/general prospects of someone named "newyorkcity" (LOL), but I believe law forum rules frown on that sort of thing.

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dingbat (Mar 3, 2017 - 1:54 pm)

dude, that's a great offer

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agentdalecooper (Mar 3, 2017 - 5:07 pm)

Even post tax a $36,000 lump sum is pretty good. You can get to SE Asia or Greece comfortably on such a sum and disappear.

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barelylegal (Mar 3, 2017 - 9:26 pm)

I have an acquaintance from undergrad who attended and graduated from Arizona Summit. I did not find out he was going to law school let alone attending Arizona Summit until it was too late. I wish he would have reached out to me before making such a questionable decision. To my knowledge he has still not passed the Texas Bar.

What really bugs me about his decision is that there are quite a few regional Tier 4 law schools in Texas that while not the best option would have been far superior (networking, cost, bar prep etc.) to going to a school like Arizona Summit.

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lazlo (Mar 6, 2017 - 1:19 pm)

If law schools refunded some or all of their tuition in exchange for permanently not taking the bar, that'd be worth something.

In any case, in the future for accreditation purposes students who flunk out or get paid off should be automatically counted as failures for bar passage rates.

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6figuremistake (Mar 6, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

LOL - maybe law schools will start offering money back guarantees*

*Some restrictions may apply!

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dingbat (Mar 6, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

and how do you think the school will be paying for this?
You don't suppose they'll be overcharging future students even more to plug the budget shortfall, do you?

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triplesix (Mar 6, 2017 - 2:14 pm)

Some people need to be sacrificed for the greater good. This only accelerates the teeteetee demise.

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