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Did anyone apply to the latest crop of SSA openings? There w downwardslope03/20/17
I did in case the VA job doesn't work out. Please let me kno kramer71603/20/17
I have already gotten one referral. It seems like they may b downwardslope03/20/17
I just checked, and I got a referral as well. I think the VA kramer71603/20/17
Yes. I would say I applied for about half the locations, downwardslope03/20/17
Did your status change from referred to reviewed? kramer71603/22/17
Yes. I am not sure what that means, but the listing said it downwardslope03/22/17
I don't think it means much. I believe that it just means th kramer71603/23/17
I got a referral for St. Louis today. We will see if that co downwardslope03/23/17
I got the same referral for St. Louis. I think we are good o kramer71603/23/17
Sorry about Lansing. I did not apply to that location. downwardslope03/23/17
Thank you. I appreciate it. I wouldn't have minded Lansing b kramer71603/23/17
That is too bad! I'm just hoping if they interview for these downwardslope03/24/17
I agree. It would be great if Social Security is seeking peo kramer71603/24/17
That is bizarre! I have still only heard from that first Chi downwardslope03/24/17
How can you not get referred? I mean as long as you have 1 y t3success03/25/17
Your guess is as good as mine. If the Social Security Admini kramer71603/27/17
Hey yawl. Ive been referred to the Baltimore and falls churc lawandwar03/30/17
It goes received, reviewed, then referred. Reviewed means HR kramer71603/30/17
I applied for two positions. I received three letters. Two mch9803/30/17
I think they are blasting through these. I have been referre downwardslope03/31/17
Agreed. I have had all my applications addressed, and it's M kramer71603/31/17
I got another Chicago referral, although I did receive an in downwardslope03/27/17
Congratulations on the Chicago referral, I think I applied t kramer71603/27/17
Anyone get an interview? t3success03/27/17
Not yet. I am hoping to hear from the St. Louis office soon. kramer71603/27/17
There were some postings last year in February and people ha downwardslope03/27/17
How did you apply before? I was on Guam for five years, but kramer71603/27/17
A friend sent me the listing for a new office. I think it wa downwardslope03/27/17
It is possible. Ah well, hope the St. Louis job comes throug kramer71603/27/17
Is there any chance of lateraling to another agency from thi t3success03/28/17
All second hand, so take this for what it's worth. I haven't kramer71603/28/17
I applied to the two Chicago positions. I received an email mch9803/28/17
In my interview years ago the ALJ basically told me the job downwardslope03/28/17
http://www.jdunderground.com/govt/t hread.php?threadId=103909 mch9803/28/17
Thank you kramer71603/28/17
I have gotten a few more referrals today. I wonder if they w downwardslope03/29/17
Nice. What city do you want? t3success03/29/17
I just want to get out of my current job at this point. Sin downwardslope03/29/17
I received another referral as well to go along with a few m kramer71603/29/17
I have a friend who has an acquaintance who applied for seve downwardslope03/29/17
That brings up a question. Do you go to the interviews or do kramer71603/29/17
I would assume telephonic. I had two federal interviews last downwardslope03/29/17
My interview with the VA was in person, but they were only h kramer71603/29/17
"I got another Chicago referral, although I did receive an i mch9803/29/17
One said I needed to put dates of employment and the others downwardslope03/30/17
Interviews are starting. I have one set for next week for Ch downwardslope03/31/17
Probably the first Chicago listing. Did you apply for St. Lo kramer71603/31/17
St. Louis. Not Albuquerque. downwardslope03/31/17
Cool, I will let you know if I hear about any interviews reg kramer71603/31/17
I am sure it is fantastic, but I tend to stick to mostly eas downwardslope03/31/17
Ah, I am a nomad, so will go wherever. I went halfway across kramer71603/31/17
I have Chicago phone interview next week. mch9804/01/17
Good luck with your interview. Did you apply to Albuquerque kramer71604/03/17
No--only Chicago. mch9804/03/17
I know someone else who applied. I will let you know if I he downwardslope04/03/17
It is appreciated. I prefer bad news to no news, so if I am kramer71604/03/17
Has anyone heard back about the Milwaukee posting? kenosis04/01/17
I have, but it was a rejection. I received a reply I think o kramer71604/01/17
can you post the job announcement numbers for the bmore and legaleagle22304/02/17
It was the same posting for both locations. https://www.u downwardslope04/02/17
thank you kindly legaleagle22304/02/17
I applied to the postings in Chicago, but they look differen mlj277304/03/17
I don't see a difference except the Chicago position you pos mch9804/03/17
The description seems really different to me. But maybe it's mlj277304/03/17
I'm pretty certain that both are decision writing positions. mch9804/03/17
Yeah. I have a former coworker who is an attorney advisor at mlj277304/03/17
Any information about those offices would be appreciated. T mch9804/03/17
My string of good luck continues. Just received an email say kramer71604/03/17
Nope. Got a not selected here as well. :( Has anyone receive downwardslope04/03/17
It sucks, but at least they ripped the band-aid off fast. kramer71604/03/17
Ignore. kramer71604/03/17
How can they start people May 1 if they can't even give offe downwardslope04/03/17
You are correct. I can't delete my earlier comment, but you kramer71604/03/17
Where did you get those dates? Thanks. mch9804/03/17
That is the date the hiring freeze ends. It is a Sunday so r downwardslope04/03/17
April 23rd is when the federal hiring freeze is lifted. kramer71604/03/17
I had the interview. They want new hires on board by the end mch9804/04/17
I don't love the hotel + housing method but I am a regular s downwardslope04/04/17
What do you mean by hotel + housing method? mch9804/04/17
I have moved places a couple of times without having a place downwardslope04/04/17
Agreed. Only done it once and didn't mind it, but just too e kramer71604/04/17
Oh, I'm not moving but I could see how that would be fun. Di mch9804/04/17
Yes. I told them I would make it work as long as I could giv downwardslope04/04/17
Did they give you start dates or just say they needed peopl mch9804/04/17
No start date, but I think we can safely assume the week of downwardslope04/04/17
I seriously doubt they will het the offers out on Friday. mch9804/04/17
They told me the same thing. They want new hires physically mlj277304/05/17
I think that it is a conditional offer contingent on a backg mch9804/05/17
I had to tell them I would make it work a few times, but I n downwardslope04/05/17
I think that it is a conditional offer contingent on a backg mch9804/05/17
I think that it is a conditional offer contingent on a backg mch9804/05/17
I did interview today. They wanted me to interview yesterday mlj277304/05/17
So maybe they will finish up today. Was it for the regional mch9804/05/17
Unclear. I thought it was for the regional and the Chicago o mlj277304/05/17
That sounds like mine as well. I could not figure it out but downwardslope04/05/17
Interesting. I'm sure they are scrambling and can hire where mch9804/05/17
She is in labor and employee relations, but she works with d mlj277304/05/17
Thanks for checking. mch9804/05/17
So if you get a conditional offer, do you wait to tell your mlj277304/05/17
I got an offer over the phone less than 2 weeks before start govlaw04/05/17
That would not work for me. I would have to seek leave to wi mch9804/05/17
Just to jump on this bandwagon - I had a three person phone elphaba1204/06/17
Just to jump on this bandwagon - I had a three person phone elphaba1204/06/17
govlaw Did you have to complete background check paperwork mch9804/05/17
They told me HR might call before an offer to get some paper downwardslope04/05/17
They said that I had submitted references as part of my appl mch9804/05/17
This gets more and more mysterious. No mention of that was s downwardslope04/05/17
Maybe they realized after my interview that references were mch9804/05/17
They *were* part of my application but no one asked if they downwardslope04/05/17
I checked and references were not asked for the Chicago post mch9804/05/17
I'm pretty sure it was just one hiring committee for these l mlj277304/05/17
You mean one panel of interviewers? mch9804/05/17
Like apparently there is only one hiring committee. But I gu mlj277304/05/17
So you did submit references? Did you apply through USA JOB mch9804/05/17
I applied through USA JOBs. I guess I must have sent referen mlj277304/05/17
Did you use resume builder or put your references on your re mch9804/05/17
Resume builder. mlj277304/05/17
Mystery solved. I just sent my regular resume. mch9804/05/17
I used resume builder. I have a ridiculous federal resume. downwardslope04/05/17
I got a call asking if they could contact them. downwardslope04/05/17
It happened around the same time period but the paperwork wa govlaw04/05/17
Congrats on the interviews. What sort of questions did they legaleye04/04/17
I haven't heard anything yet but figuring on Albuquerque by kramer71604/04/17
It was very fast paced and a blur. Many situational hypothet mch9804/04/17
Did anyone submit references with their USA Jobs application mch9804/04/17
I don't believe so either. kramer71604/04/17
Yes, although my current supervisor is incorrect since that downwardslope04/04/17
Did you name the references in this last round on USA Jobs ( mch9804/04/17
It is in the resume builder. I have had my references checke downwardslope04/04/17
I was referred for Chicago but no interview yet. mtbislife04/04/17
There were two Chicago locations: hearing office and region mch9804/04/17
What was your impression during the interview? I was referre downwardslope04/04/17
How long did your interview last? When I talked with the VA, kramer71604/04/17
It was about 30 minutes. Nothing about my resume. It was a s mch9804/04/17
Thank you. It is appreciated. On a different note, are you a kramer71604/04/17
no :) mch9804/04/17
Excellent. I knew I liked you. :) kramer71604/04/17
I have only had one non-scripted fed interview. It took me b downwardslope04/04/17
I didn't even see the Orland Park job but that location woul mch9804/04/17
I think so. It was a bit of a blur, to be honest! I seemed t downwardslope04/04/17
The one which listed the Madison address, I must have missed mtbislife04/04/17
Any new movement or information to report? mch9804/05/17
Zilch. Are most people here near Chicago? downwardslope04/05/17
Anyone else apply to the baltimore MD and Falls Church VA po lawandwar04/05/17
Yes. I applied to Baltimore only. I have heard nothing. Mayb downwardslope04/05/17
I think you will hear about the Falls Church/Baltimore posit kramer71604/05/17
Yes, I am guessing they were posted in the order of expirati downwardslope04/05/17
Agreed. If my instincts are right, then I should be hearing kramer71604/05/17
I hope so but be ready to move fast if they have to hire by mch9804/05/17
I am ready to go. I am a superstitious person, so I usually kramer71604/05/17
okay thank you. Im hoping either SSA or VA comes through for lawandwar04/05/17
Agreed. I think the SSA will be hiring before the VA. It see kramer71604/05/17
just an fyi-they demoted the analysts at the Appeals Council hopelesslyunemployed04/05/17
Yeah, management at the AC tends to have that kind of attitu john0904/06/17
Is analyst at the AC a higher pay grade than decision writer t3success04/06/17
after two years as an analyst, you get to apply to be a seni hopelesslyunemployed04/06/17
Did anyone on here apply for the Columbus OH positions? sobrandnew04/06/17
I did, and I was not referred. kramer71604/06/17
I was referred but no call for an interview or anything. legaleye04/06/17
Mch98, did you ever hear anything further about references? downwardslope04/06/17
No. And no calls from HR etc. Were any references contacted mch9804/06/17
Yes I had two people say they were called. It was an alj cal downwardslope04/06/17
That's impressive that the ALJ was calling and not HR. mch9804/06/17
They contacted at least 2 of my references yesterday. I mlj277304/06/17
Congrats! mch9804/06/17
Congratulations. This was the Chicago office? kramer71604/06/17
Yeah, for the Chicago office. I'm trying to see if we can do mlj277304/06/17
Yeah they told me that too. That is crazy. I have not heard downwardslope04/06/17
That's probably the beginning of the pay period. Government mch9804/06/17
I have not spoken to HR. downwardslope04/06/17
Yeah. They person I talked to said she would see if they can mlj277304/06/17
They can be flexible if they want to. I have started twice w downwardslope04/06/17
Well that is encouraging! I really can't imagine giving my e mlj277304/06/17
If you say no, they have to select another candidate, do a r downwardslope04/06/17
Make sure that your health benefits carry over because you w mch9804/06/17
You never know yet. I have not heard anything from HR so I a downwardslope04/06/17
I guess I will do resume builder if I ever apply for a feder mch9804/06/17
Agreed. I think what hurt me with most of the SSA openings w kramer71604/06/17
I used that and the OPM 0905 series guide. That thing is lif downwardslope04/06/17
Will have to look at it. My resume was not apparently clear kramer71604/06/17
Definitely stay with your current job, but don't give up hop kramer71604/06/17
I think the CR for SSA goes through the end of the month so mch9804/06/17
At least with the first phase of the process, the receiving kramer71604/06/17
My guess is that they were stuck in the freeze and had to ge downwardslope04/06/17
Agreed. I think Albuquerque and Baltimore/Falls Church will kramer71604/06/17
I hope Albuquerque comes through for you! mch9804/06/17
I appreciate it, and I wish you nothing but success moving f kramer71604/06/17
keep litigating and trying cases . . . :) mch9804/06/17
I got a not selected on the temp Chicago position. I am not downwardslope04/06/17
did you get an email? As I recall, there was Chicago hearing mch9804/06/17
Yes, just on the temporary position at the National Hearing downwardslope04/06/17
never even saw that one. mch9804/06/17
I think it was labeled as "temp" and they only show up in my downwardslope04/06/17
Looks like no interview for me but thanks for the tip on the mtbislife04/06/17
Did you just apply for Chicago? downwardslope04/06/17
Yes mtbislife04/07/17
Sorry to obsess about Milwaukee, but has anyone received an kenosis04/06/17
Nothing yet over here! legaleye04/06/17
Thanks! kenosis04/06/17
Just got rejection email. I am impressed that they made thes mch9804/07/17
Yep. Got my TO. They were able to push back my start date to downwardslope04/07/17
what is TO? i assume you got an offer? Congrats! mch9804/07/17
Tentative offer. downwardslope04/07/17
They ended up giving me a 4/24 start date too. I got fingerp mlj277304/07/17
That's great. Let us know how it goes. mch9804/07/17
Congrats. I have to have my package overnighted, do the fing downwardslope04/07/17
congrats to you! And thank you for all your help! elphaba1204/08/17
Did it work out for you? mch9804/08/17
Did you decide to take the job? downwardslope04/08/17
Did everything work out with your final offer? I ended up gi downwardslope04/17/17
Congratulations on receiving the tentative offer. In the off kramer71604/07/17
I received a rejection email as well, but it was for one of kramer71604/07/17
Yes, they are doing well. Last time I interviewed it was rad downwardslope04/07/17
Same. Okay, Illinois is out. Fingers crossed for the others! legaleye04/07/17
Where did you apply? Everywhere or midwest only? kramer71604/07/17
I have a friend who works in an office in Michigan, and she kramer71604/07/17
I got an offer for the NHC in Maryland. Interviewed 3/31 an htt4life04/09/17
Congrats! It sounds like maybe all jobs are filled now? downwardslope04/09/17
While that is probably the case, I choose to hold out hope t kramer71604/10/17
i applied to the baltimore and falls church ad. Im assuming lawandwar04/10/17
It sounds like most of the postings have to be filled with a downwardslope04/10/17
We are probably both out of luck, but still holding out hope kramer71604/10/17
Right. I would like to receive a rejection letter if i have lawandwar04/10/17
The good news is they lift the hiring freeze in two weeks, s kramer71604/10/17
hopefully falls church is still interviewing; id like to lan lawandwar04/10/17
Where are you licensed now and how long have you been practi kramer71604/10/17
Im licensed in Louisiana and have been practicing since 2015 lawandwar04/10/17
Ah. I would definitely take the MD bar. I know that legal ai kramer71604/10/17
These are decision writer positions right? Not appeals counc izzymandelbaum04/10/17
Yeah hearing level decision writers t3success04/10/17
Just curious if anyone knows - if you are hired as "permanen t3success04/10/17
I asked about this during my interview and they said it is i downwardslope04/10/17
Good to know thanks for the info. t3success04/10/17
On another note, if given the opportunity I will be using th kramer71604/18/17
Some jobs require the usajobs builder for applications so it downwardslope04/18/17
Live and learn on my end. I still haven't heard anything fro kramer71604/18/17
I think Albuquerque is in a different hiring area so it coul downwardslope04/19/17
I did receive an email to my follow-up regarding Albuquerque kramer71604/19/17
Does anyone have the contact info for HR in Baltimore? jdmaryland04/19/17
I don't have it, but it should be listed on the job announce kramer71604/19/17
Maryland has their people already. We start Monday htt4life04/21/17
ODAR or NCH? jdmaryland04/21/17
I received the rejection letter from Albuquerque today. Not kramer71604/24/17
Got mine too. Oh well. On to the next lawandwar04/25/17
I heard that field officers hire from direct applications an mch9804/26/17

downwardslope (Mar 20, 2017 - 1:54 pm)

Did anyone apply to the latest crop of SSA openings? There were a variety, primarily in the Midwest, some permanent and some term. I applied to several as my job is the pits right now. I couldn't afford to do the DC ones but think I could make it work in the Midwest.

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kramer716 (Mar 20, 2017 - 1:58 pm)

I did in case the VA job doesn't work out. Please let me know if you hear anything, and I will do the same.

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downwardslope (Mar 20, 2017 - 4:12 pm)

I have already gotten one referral. It seems like they may be aiming to get people in as soon as the freeze is over, so maybe this will be faster for you than the VA. I was worried since some wanted a "2017 bar card" which I don't have, but I had a late 2016 certificate and printout from the bar site dated the day I applied saying I was still in good standing.

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kramer716 (Mar 20, 2017 - 4:28 pm)

I just checked, and I got a referral as well. I think the VA will be faster for me only because I already interviewed, but that assumes they offer me a position after they lift the hiring freeze. I am more than happy to go to X city to work for Social Security, though.

As for the bar card, I think they understand as long as you give them the latest possible one. I could be wrong, and probably shouldn't speak for em, but that is the sense I get.

Was your referral for Chicago?

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downwardslope (Mar 20, 2017 - 4:59 pm)

Yes.

I would say I applied for about half the locations, so we will see what happens.

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kramer716 (Mar 22, 2017 - 3:32 pm)

Did your status change from referred to reviewed?

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downwardslope (Mar 22, 2017 - 6:02 pm)

Yes. I am not sure what that means, but the listing said it may be used for future openings.

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kramer716 (Mar 23, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

I don't think it means much. I believe that it just means that whoever inputs the data on USAJOBS made an error, and they intended to click reviewed instead of referred, so for now, I think we are fine.

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downwardslope (Mar 23, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

I got a referral for St. Louis today. We will see if that comes with a "reviewed" later.

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kramer716 (Mar 23, 2017 - 5:46 pm)

I got the same referral for St. Louis. I think we are good on this one because they gave us a person's name to contact which I take as a good sign. I also received a rejection letter from Lansing. Good luck to you on the St. Louis job.

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downwardslope (Mar 23, 2017 - 6:00 pm)

Sorry about Lansing. I did not apply to that location.

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kramer716 (Mar 23, 2017 - 6:38 pm)

Thank you. I appreciate it. I wouldn't have minded Lansing because I went to law school at MSU, and would have been cool to go back again.

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downwardslope (Mar 24, 2017 - 7:54 am)

That is too bad! I'm just hoping if they interview for these, it will be legitimate. All my federal interviews appear to have been for pre-selects or internal candidates. I interviewed for SSA once and I think only internal candidates were selected there too even though it had many openings. It was in an extremely desirable area and people moved from other offices.

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kramer716 (Mar 24, 2017 - 4:15 pm)

I agree. It would be great if Social Security is seeking people, and not just going through the motions so they can hire in-house.

I received a rejection from the Dayton opening, so this is playing out opposite as to what I expected. I thought the bigger cities would reject me and be interviewed by the smaller cities. I am being turned down by the smaller cities, but at least being referred in St. Louis, and being referred to a day with the Chicago opening. Ah well.

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downwardslope (Mar 24, 2017 - 5:09 pm)

That is bizarre! I have still only heard from that first Chicago one and the St. Louis one. Do you have related experience? I am wondering how they make these determinations.

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t3success (Mar 25, 2017 - 8:59 am)

How can you not get referred? I mean as long as you have 1 year experience and provide the supporting documents called for you get referred. What went wrong?

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kramer716 (Mar 27, 2017 - 3:48 pm)

Your guess is as good as mine. If the Social Security Administration is not referring me for any position, then I would think there is something wrong with my documents, but the fact they are referring me for some positions and not others confuses me. My experience is evident on my resume, so I have no idea.

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lawandwar (Mar 30, 2017 - 3:12 pm)

Hey yawl. Ive been referred to the Baltimore and falls church virginia location. Ive never seen a reviewed" status. What is this reviewed status and what does it mean after the referred or does it come after referred?

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kramer716 (Mar 30, 2017 - 3:44 pm)

It goes received, reviewed, then referred. Reviewed means HR looked at your stuff, but haven't made an opinion of it yet. Referred means HR graded you as one of the top choices, and they referred you to the hiring manager.

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mch98 (Mar 30, 2017 - 10:57 pm)

I applied for two positions. I received three letters. Two said I had not supplied enough information and they could not determine my eligibility. Then I got an email a minute later stating that I was referred for one of the positions. The AM says that the one I definitely was rejected from as "reviewed." The other status is referred.

I'm not sure but I think the one to which I'm referred said that I'm not eligible for GS-12 because I did't furnish enough information. I have served as an arbitrator for five years so if I do progress, I hope that could be corrected.

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downwardslope (Mar 31, 2017 - 6:32 am)

I think they are blasting through these. I have been referred for all the GS-11 slots and none of the GS-12s, although I have been rejected twice for one GS-12 and had one position go from referred to reviewed.

I have a coworker who says a relative who recently got into the feds was given a tentative offer at one grade and then upgraded once he got his final offer, presumably after the background screen completed and they got a better idea of what his prior jobs entailed. I work in a similar field and while I am a general attorney, I review/advise on all eligibility determinations, so I also hope there is some correction process later. It seems unrealistic to expect that level of specifity in a 100-app limit job posting that starts essentially at entry level.

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kramer716 (Mar 31, 2017 - 5:38 pm)

Agreed. I have had all my applications addressed, and it's March 31st, so I am assuming they were required to have everything done by the end of March. I am sticking with the assumption that they will burn through the interviews in April, and the new hires will start in May.

Good luck with everyone's referrals.

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downwardslope (Mar 27, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

I got another Chicago referral, although I did receive an ineligible for GS-12 since I have not been an ALJ/referee/hearing officer/similar position before. The criteria for that grade seems very specific.

Did you receive an ineligible for both grades in Dayton/Lansing or just GS-12? I thought GS-11 was just one year general experience?

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kramer716 (Mar 27, 2017 - 3:52 pm)

Congratulations on the Chicago referral, I think I applied to that one as well, and my status is the same, so I assume I didn't get that one.

I received INRs for both Dayton and Lansing. I may look back and see if the same person is the hiring official for both positions. As far as I know, all you need is one-year general experience which I have, so I have no clue what the issue is.

Anyway, I wouldn't complain if the Chicago or St. Louis position comes through, but we shall see. Congratulations again on being referred.

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t3success (Mar 27, 2017 - 2:37 pm)

Anyone get an interview?

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kramer716 (Mar 27, 2017 - 4:02 pm)

Not yet. I am hoping to hear from the St. Louis office soon.

I think there is a thread from either early last year, or 2015 regarding hiring at the Social Security Administration. I am going to go through that and try to figure out a general timeline to see how long it took for them to be interviewed to when they were hired.

I will post a link when I actually sit down and do it, but I found it via Google. I think the search was something like Social security and hiring

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downwardslope (Mar 27, 2017 - 4:19 pm)

There were some postings last year in February and people had start dates in around late April and early May, IIRC. It was a quick process, but they were all in the D.C. area. I interviewed once, but it was not a USAjobs posting. They called a week or two after I applied.

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kramer716 (Mar 27, 2017 - 5:12 pm)

How did you apply before? I was on Guam for five years, but before that, I applied for one of these jobs, and I think it was through Monster. I believe they interviewed me about six days after I sent my materials in, and the job was in Baltimore. Needless to say, I didn't get that position, so I ended up on Guam.

Anyway, thank you for the information. I hope the SSA keep up the trend, and things move quickly. Good luck with your referrals.

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downwardslope (Mar 27, 2017 - 5:38 pm)

A friend sent me the listing for a new office. I think it was posted at her law school, which was local. I am guessing this was around the same timeframe as you applied.

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kramer716 (Mar 27, 2017 - 5:42 pm)

It is possible. Ah well, hope the St. Louis job comes through, or the VA picks me up after the hiring freeze. Good luck with the Chicago position

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t3success (Mar 28, 2017 - 2:57 pm)

Is there any chance of lateraling to another agency from this job? Does the SSA promote Attorney Advisors to ALJs? I'm just curious what the long term prospects, if any, of this job are.

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kramer716 (Mar 28, 2017 - 4:17 pm)

All second hand, so take this for what it's worth. I haven't heard of people lateraling to a different agency. It probably has been done, but just never heard of it happening. I have heard of people working their way up to be ALJs.

My source for that is a person I went to law school with who now works for an office in MI, so it's just based off of one person. I am sure there are other people with more knowledge on here.

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mch98 (Mar 28, 2017 - 5:33 pm)

I applied to the two Chicago positions. I received an email stating that I hadn't provided enough information for one. Then I got a referral to the other one.

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downwardslope (Mar 28, 2017 - 5:34 pm)

In my interview years ago the ALJ basically told me the job was not exciting and people stayed for years. I do not think there is a lot of promotion potential, but this was also in a non-major metro area.

My local contact has been in the office a while and does not plan to leave. I also know people who are contractors in other roles who say it is possible to work up to ALJ positions.

That said I imagine you could lateral based on prior experience. I work in a non dead-end state agency and I would say at least half the people came from the more "dead end" state roles. We take them before people outside the system.

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mch98 (Mar 28, 2017 - 6:02 pm)

http://www.jdunderground.com/govt/thread.php?threadId=103909

(Past thread on Attorney advisor positions for Social Security Administration --SSA)

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kramer716 (Mar 28, 2017 - 6:33 pm)

Thank you

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downwardslope (Mar 29, 2017 - 12:56 pm)

I have gotten a few more referrals today. I wonder if they will coordinate these?

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t3success (Mar 29, 2017 - 1:08 pm)

Nice. What city do you want?

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downwardslope (Mar 29, 2017 - 6:05 pm)

I just want to get out of my current job at this point. Since I do have a percent job in non-fed government (however terrible), I would prefer one of the permanent positions. I know at my current office they prefer not to call people who look like they have stable jobs for term positions, so it may just be crickets on those anyway (if I hear on any at all).

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kramer716 (Mar 29, 2017 - 1:56 pm)

I received another referral as well to go along with a few more rejections. The coordination question is a good one. I wonder if they have a set period to go through everyone's application and then do interviews over, say, a two-week period.

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downwardslope (Mar 29, 2017 - 6:57 pm)

I have a friend who has an acquaintance who applied for several different openings with the same agency a while back. She said it didn't appear that it would be coordinated but the friend got to pick her duty station based on availability. It would make sense to rank order the applicants since I assume most people applied to more than one (especially since Chicago had 3 + Orland Park) and then interview that way to a) ensure that they aren't wasting resources interviewing the same person 17 times and b) ensure that applicants end up with places they're most likely to stay the longest.

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kramer716 (Mar 29, 2017 - 7:37 pm)

That brings up a question. Do you go to the interviews or do they call you? My interview a while back, 2009, they called me for a telephonic.

Anyway, I think all my applications were addressed at this point, I might be missing a decision for the Milwaukee one, so it seems like they want all the resumes reviewed by the end of this month. It would make sense that they start scheduling interviews next week, at least I hope so.

Your logic regarding the interview process makes sense, especially the part about not talking to the same person 17 times.

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downwardslope (Mar 29, 2017 - 9:08 pm)

I would assume telephonic. I had two federal interviews last year (I am not sure if they were actual openings, but that is beside the point) and they were both telephonic. The one I did for SSA was in person, but I know they were interviewing telephonic for non-local applicants there as well.

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kramer716 (Mar 29, 2017 - 9:22 pm)

My interview with the VA was in person, but they were only hiring for the DC office. I am happy to do either, but a telephonic would be nice.

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mch98 (Mar 29, 2017 - 11:07 pm)

"I got another Chicago referral, although I did receive an ineligible for GS-12 since I have not been an ALJ/referee/hearing officer/similar position before."

Did it refer you for GS-11? What did it say about G-12? I have the experience for GS-12 and it was just a referral.

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downwardslope (Mar 30, 2017 - 6:19 am)

One said I needed to put dates of employment and the others said I didn't have the specialized experience. I work as a general attorney for a state agency. We are not the decision makers.

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downwardslope (Mar 31, 2017 - 6:18 pm)

Interviews are starting. I have one set for next week for Chicago. Not sure which one.

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kramer716 (Mar 31, 2017 - 6:29 pm)

Probably the first Chicago listing. Did you apply for St. Louis and Albuquerque?

Also, and again probably a dumb ?, but it's telephonic, right?

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downwardslope (Mar 31, 2017 - 6:31 pm)

St. Louis. Not Albuquerque.

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kramer716 (Mar 31, 2017 - 6:34 pm)

Cool, I will let you know if I hear about any interviews regarding St. Louis.

What's wrong with Albuquerque? Didn't want to give Bugs Bunny directions? Sorry, dumb Looney Tunes joke. Good luck with your Chicago interview

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downwardslope (Mar 31, 2017 - 7:18 pm)

I am sure it is fantastic, but I tend to stick to mostly east coast/Midwest jobs just because the cost of moving is insane.

Oh yes, it is telephonic. They seem to be 1-hour blocks.

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kramer716 (Mar 31, 2017 - 7:25 pm)

Ah, I am a nomad, so will go wherever. I went halfway across the world with a couple of suitcases, so moving within the Continental 48 will be a nice change of pace.

I could be way off, but I take it as a good sign for you that they are 1-hour blocks. I would have guessed 15 to 20-minute blocks, so they can pack in more people to interview. I can't imagine them talking to a ton of individuals if each one is blocked out for an hour.

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mch98 (Apr 1, 2017 - 12:59 am)

I have Chicago phone interview next week.

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 10:16 am)

Good luck with your interview. Did you apply to Albuquerque by any chance?

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mch98 (Apr 3, 2017 - 10:58 am)

No--only Chicago.

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downwardslope (Apr 3, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I know someone else who applied. I will let you know if I hear anything on the process, as I know it is a top choice.

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 11:22 am)

It is appreciated. I prefer bad news to no news, so if I am not chosen for an interview, then I would just like to know sooner rather than later.

Good luck with all your interviews this week.

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kenosis (Apr 1, 2017 - 1:32 pm)

Has anyone heard back about the Milwaukee posting?

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kramer716 (Apr 1, 2017 - 3:33 pm)

I have, but it was a rejection. I received a reply I think on Thursday this week.

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legaleagle223 (Apr 2, 2017 - 9:20 am)

can you post the job announcement numbers for the bmore and falls church listings? I wanted to compare the job postings. Thanks

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downwardslope (Apr 2, 2017 - 10:45 am)

It was the same posting for both locations.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/465574600/

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legaleagle223 (Apr 2, 2017 - 2:56 pm)

thank you kindly

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mlj2773 (Apr 3, 2017 - 11:39 am)

I applied to the postings in Chicago, but they look different than the posting that downwardslope just put up. Are they substantively the same job? I have an interview this week.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/465746400

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mch98 (Apr 3, 2017 - 12:19 pm)

I don't see a difference except the Chicago position you posted is permanent and the others are term.

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mlj2773 (Apr 3, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

The description seems really different to me. But maybe it's just a fancied up description for an opinion writer and they're actually the same job. It's also a GS-0905-11/11 v GS-0905-11/12.

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mch98 (Apr 3, 2017 - 12:52 pm)

I'm pretty certain that both are decision writing positions. Were you referred to both Chicago positions?

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mlj2773 (Apr 3, 2017 - 1:16 pm)

Yeah. I have a former coworker who is an attorney advisor at the Chicago SSA so I'm going to chat with her tonight.

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mch98 (Apr 3, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

Any information about those offices would be appreciated. There is the Chicago hearing office and the Regional Office (I think).

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 3:01 pm)

My string of good luck continues. Just received an email saying I was not selected for St. Louis, so for those that are still alive, it looks like you may be receiving calls for interviews soon.

By calls I mean emails.

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downwardslope (Apr 3, 2017 - 3:01 pm)

Nope. Got a not selected here as well. :( Has anyone received an interview for anywhere but Chicago at this point?

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 3:05 pm)

It sucks, but at least they ripped the band-aid off fast.

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 3:29 pm)

Ignore.

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downwardslope (Apr 3, 2017 - 4:03 pm)

How can they start people May 1 if they can't even give offers until 4/23? That seems unrealistic. My guess is that they want to have everything ready for offers on 4/23. Most people won't give notice until they get a FO, particularly in this climate.

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 4:07 pm)

You are correct. I can't delete my earlier comment, but you are correct. I still think they burn through the interviews over the next couple of weeks.

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mch98 (Apr 3, 2017 - 4:42 pm)

Where did you get those dates? Thanks.

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downwardslope (Apr 3, 2017 - 4:46 pm)

That is the date the hiring freeze ends. It is a Sunday so really 4/24 is the true date.

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 4:46 pm)

April 23rd is when the federal hiring freeze is lifted.

I said May 1st earlier because I was thinking that they want people to start ASAP, but I agree with downwardslope's comments where they said that was unrealistic, so I took down that comment.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:04 am)

I had the interview. They want new hires on board by the end of the month and expect to make offers at end of this week.

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:11 am)

I don't love the hotel + housing method but I am a regular so I would persevere! Good luck!

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:19 am)

What do you mean by hotel + housing method?

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:37 am)

I have moved places a couple of times without having a place to live yet. I have usually stayed in a hotel for a week or two.

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kramer716 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:38 am)

Agreed. Only done it once and didn't mind it, but just too expensive if you do it beyond a few days

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:39 am)

Oh, I'm not moving but I could see how that would be fun. Did you interview yet?

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

Yes. I told them I would make it work as long as I could give standard notice to my current workplace. I have to sell my house but am in one of the cheapest places in an expensive/hot area so most places get offers within a month.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

Did they give you start dates or just say they needed people to start before the end of April because of the CR?

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 6:36 pm)

No start date, but I think we can safely assume the week of 4/24. Hopefully we will get told early enough on Friday to be able to put notice in that day and at least have a weekend!

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 8:01 pm)

I seriously doubt they will het the offers out on Friday.

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:19 pm)

They told me the same thing. They want new hires physically in the office in the last week of April. The guy leading the interview said they want offers out by the end of this week. And at the end of the interview he reiterated that and said something like "Hopefully you hear from us in the next few days."

The timeline does seem crazy.

If they make an offer, is it a tentative offer at first? How long does a final offer take?

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

I think that it is a conditional offer contingent on a background check. Did you interview today? (Just trying to gauge how long the interviews will last).

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:48 pm)

I had to tell them I would make it work a few times, but I needed to be able give notice and physically get up there. I can do airbnb for a short period, but it is not like I can quit and start the next day. That is not feasible.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

I think that it is a conditional offer contingent on a background check. Did you interview today? (Just trying to gauge how long the interviews will last).

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

I think that it is a conditional offer contingent on a background check. Did you interview today? (Just trying to gauge how long the interviews will last).

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:43 pm)

I did interview today. They wanted me to interview yesterday and I couldn't, so they very reluctantly offered me an interview first thing this morning. I have a friend from law school who interviewed today as well.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:49 pm)

So maybe they will finish up today. Was it for the regional office?

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:54 pm)

Unclear. I thought it was for the regional and the Chicago office. And my friend at SSA confirmed they are hiring for both of those and I think I was referred for both of them. But on the call they said they would were hiring for Chicago and Orlando Park (which is an opening I didn't even apply for). They asked which I would prefer.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:59 pm)

That sounds like mine as well. I could not figure it out but it seemed like both locations.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:00 pm)

Interesting. I'm sure they are scrambling and can hire where they want. Did your friend give you any feedback on working conditions?

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

She is in labor and employee relations, but she works with decision writers and does write opinions sometimes. She was very honest and said the job itself is super boring, but she seemed very positive about SSA as a whole. She also said surprisingly encouraging things about advancement.

She confirmed the regional office, Chicago, and Orlando Park are all hiring and were all interviewing together. It also sounds like they might be done with the interviews.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Thanks for checking.

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 3:13 pm)

So if you get a conditional offer, do you wait to tell your employer until it's final? I'm worried about giving enough notice.

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govlaw (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:42 pm)

I got an offer over the phone less than 2 weeks before start date, and didn't get a written offer until the following week. I gave less than a week's notice at my former employer.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:50 pm)

That would not work for me. I would have to seek leave to withdraw appearances etc.

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elphaba12 (Apr 6, 2017 - 9:50 pm)

Just to jump on this bandwagon - I had a three person phone interview today who asked for my references at the end of the call and already contacted them. But there is NO WAY I could give less than two weeks notice. And are monetary offers negotiable? What kind of vacation time do they offer? Also - is any training provided for the Decision Writer position?? I may have written hundreds of briefs and motions but it is not the same thing

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elphaba12 (Apr 6, 2017 - 9:50 pm)

Just to jump on this bandwagon - I had a three person phone interview today who asked for my references at the end of the call and already contacted them. But there is NO WAY I could give less than two weeks notice. And are monetary offers negotiable? What kind of vacation time do they offer? Also - is any training provided for the Decision Writer position?? I may have written hundreds of briefs and motions but it is not the same thing

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:08 pm)

govlaw Did you have to complete background check paperwork before the written offer?

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

They told me HR might call before an offer to get some paperwork and possibly fingerprints. The real screen takes around 3 months I think.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

They said that I had submitted references as part of my application and asked permission to contact them. I said I did not recall submitting references.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:15 pm)

This gets more and more mysterious. No mention of that was said to me. I was told I would get a call from HR if they wanted to go forward.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

Maybe they realized after my interview that references were not part of the application. I'm sure there are a lot of moving parts and they need to get the spots filled before they lose hiring authority.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

They *were* part of my application but no one asked if they could be contacted. I am wondering if there were two different groups. I don't know how they could find people for 8 slots otherwise over 2 days. One group could probably only do 5-6 a day. It sounds like they wanted everyone to go yesterday.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

I checked and references were not asked for the Chicago posting. You may have had references on file but it was not required. The only things that were required were veteran status, transcript, and resume.

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:03 pm)

I'm pretty sure it was just one hiring committee for these locations.

They didn't mention anything about references to me.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:05 pm)

You mean one panel of interviewers?

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

Like apparently there is only one hiring committee. But I guess it could be split into two groups.

One of my references just contacted me and said he got a call. So I guess they are checking them.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 3:20 pm)

So you did submit references? Did you apply through USA JOBs

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 4:49 pm)

I applied through USA JOBs. I guess I must have sent references? Although I think I also listed this person as a recent supervisor and said it was ok to contact him. I don't believe references were required by the posting.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

Did you use resume builder or put your references on your resume? Well, in any event, that sounds positive for both of you!:)

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mlj2773 (Apr 5, 2017 - 5:00 pm)

Resume builder.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 5:03 pm)

Mystery solved. I just sent my regular resume.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 5:14 pm)

I used resume builder. I have a ridiculous federal resume.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 4:37 pm)

I got a call asking if they could contact them.

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govlaw (Apr 5, 2017 - 7:04 pm)

It happened around the same time period but the paperwork wasn't a condition for the other. It was just waiting (and waiting) to finally get the written offer.

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legaleye (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:11 am)

Congrats on the interviews. What sort of questions did they ask you? Has anyone heard from the non-Illinois postings regarding interviews? Thanks!

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kramer716 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:37 am)

I haven't heard anything yet but figuring on Albuquerque by the end of the week. I think that you will hear about any interviews in the order that the jobs were posted.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:37 am)

It was very fast paced and a blur. Many situational hypothetics and examples of past experience.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:40 am)

Did anyone submit references with their USA Jobs application? I don't recall doing so.

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kramer716 (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:42 am)

I don't believe so either.

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 11:59 am)

Yes, although my current supervisor is incorrect since that has changed as of the time the job closed. They probably still want to talk to the old guy though.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 12:06 pm)

Did you name the references in this last round on USA Jobs (past few weeks)? I don't think it was asked for. I recall being surprised about that. I looked at the past discussion and it seemed that it was asked for once you had a conditional acceptance.

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 12:30 pm)

It is in the resume builder. I have had my references checked for a job that did not hire and that used a separate list.

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mtbislife (Apr 4, 2017 - 1:09 pm)

I was referred for Chicago but no interview yet.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 1:28 pm)

There were two Chicago locations: hearing office and regional office. I only got one. Did you apply to both?

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

What was your impression during the interview? I was referred x 3 and interviewed for Chicago and Orland park. Did it seem like your referral to one but not the other mattered?

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kramer716 (Apr 4, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

How long did your interview last? When I talked with the VA, the interview was 15 minutes, and they stuck to the 15 minutes. The questions were rapid fire, and they were just uniform questions. They didn't ask anything about my resume. Did they ask you anything about your background, or did it seem like they just stuck to their script?

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:15 pm)

It was about 30 minutes. Nothing about my resume. It was a structured interview.

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kramer716 (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:23 pm)

Thank you. It is appreciated. On a different note, are you a Wolverine? I keep seeing MCH and thinking Michigan.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:36 pm)

no :)

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kramer716 (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:38 pm)

Excellent. I knew I liked you. :)

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:52 pm)

I have only had one non-scripted fed interview. It took me by surprise and I am sure I tanked. It was on my cover letter, of all things!!! It was a single vacancy job with a 9-person panel too... sheesh.

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mch98 (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

I didn't even see the Orland Park job but that location would not work for me. It seemed the job was for the regional office. Was that in your discussion?

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downwardslope (Apr 4, 2017 - 2:48 pm)

I think so. It was a bit of a blur, to be honest! I seemed to have people calling in from 3 places.

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mtbislife (Apr 4, 2017 - 1:38 pm)

The one which listed the Madison address, I must have missed the other one.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

Any new movement or information to report?

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 12:51 pm)

Zilch. Are most people here near Chicago?

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lawandwar (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:01 pm)

Anyone else apply to the baltimore MD and Falls Church VA post?

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:05 pm)

Yes. I applied to Baltimore only. I have heard nothing. Maybe it expires on May 5.

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kramer716 (Apr 5, 2017 - 1:55 pm)

I think you will hear about the Falls Church/Baltimore positions around the same time that I will hear about Albuquerque. Why do I say that? I say that because both jobs were posted on March 13th, and they seem to be doing everything in the order that the jobs were posted. Could be wrong, but that is what my gut tells me. Good luck with your interviews.

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downwardslope (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:16 pm)

Yes, I am guessing they were posted in the order of expiration as well. They may not want to do them simultaneously if people applied to multiple though to avoid competing at the same time.

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kramer716 (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

Agreed. If my instincts are right, then I should be hearing either tomorrow or Friday.

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mch98 (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:24 pm)

I hope so but be ready to move fast if they have to hire by the end of the month.

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kramer716 (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:28 pm)

I am ready to go. I am a superstitious person, so I usually won't look at apartments before I receive an offer. I broke down yesterday and looked at Albuquerque, and now want to get there ASAP. The place looks awesome, so hoping I am fortunate enough to be interviewed.

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lawandwar (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:26 pm)

okay thank you. Im hoping either SSA or VA comes through for me. Im afraid to take on new cases just in case either one comes after the freeze is over.

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kramer716 (Apr 5, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

Agreed. I think the SSA will be hiring before the VA. It seems SSA wants new people before May, and the VA will probably have to get everything up and running again which I would assume means that new people won't get in until the middle or the end of May.

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hopelesslyunemployed (Apr 5, 2017 - 9:23 pm)

just an fyi-they demoted the analysts at the Appeals Council in Falls Church and made them decision writers at the hearing level. Some of the people that got demoted were already decision writers before-they were trying to move up the career ladder by transferring to the Appeals Council, and then management demoted them. According to the union e-mail we received, they currently have an unfair labor practice filed with the FLRA over this. We were told at a meeting that even if the agency has the budget to make us permanent, management might still not make us permanent if they don't want to.

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john09 (Apr 6, 2017 - 12:27 pm)

Yeah, management at the AC tends to have that kind of attitude, especially Judge Ray. I guess they are using the threat of not converting the term employees to permanent status to silence dissent.

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t3success (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:23 pm)

Is analyst at the AC a higher pay grade than decision writer?

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hopelesslyunemployed (Apr 6, 2017 - 5:18 pm)

after two years as an analyst, you get to apply to be a senior atty adviser, which is a GS-13

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sobrandnew (Apr 6, 2017 - 9:09 am)

Did anyone on here apply for the Columbus OH positions?

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

I did, and I was not referred.

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legaleye (Apr 6, 2017 - 6:54 pm)

I was referred but no call for an interview or anything.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 9:44 am)

Mch98, did you ever hear anything further about references?

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 12:44 pm)

No. And no calls from HR etc. Were any references contacted besides the one yesterday?

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:11 pm)

Yes I had two people say they were called. It was an alj calling.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

That's impressive that the ALJ was calling and not HR.

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mlj2773 (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:24 pm)

They contacted at least 2 of my references yesterday.

I just got the tentative offer for RCAC (via phone call). But they want a start date of April 17th and she said it will still take a few days for the final offer.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

Congrats!

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 1:32 pm)

Congratulations. This was the Chicago office?

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mlj2773 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:16 pm)

Yeah, for the Chicago office. I'm trying to see if we can do anything about the start date because that is just crazy soon. During the interview they assured me I could give my employer at least two weeks notice.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:19 pm)

Yeah they told me that too. That is crazy. I have not heard anything yet though.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

That's probably the beginning of the pay period. Government can be really inflexible about that but they did say before the last day. Are you dealing with HR?

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:26 pm)

I have not spoken to HR.

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mlj2773 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:27 pm)

Yeah. They person I talked to said she would see if they can move it back a week and she would email me back sometime today.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

They can be flexible if they want to. I have started twice where I am in the middle of a pay period. I was at another agency before this time with no break and my benefits were fine. I just had o harass them to get them moved.

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mlj2773 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

Well that is encouraging! I really can't imagine giving my employer just 1 week notice. Even 2 weeks will be tough on my coworkers, but at least I feel like it's acceptable.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:35 pm)

If you say no, they have to select another candidate, do a ref check, and then it may take another 2 days. It is not going to be practical, especially when they said we would get two weeks.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:38 pm)

Make sure that your health benefits carry over because you won't be able to get on to the feds until the next pay period. Your benefits from your current job should carry you through to the end of the month.

It was really helpful using this forum. I think I'm out on this which probably means I should stick with my current job. I appreciate all the information rather than waiting and guessing.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:43 pm)

You never know yet. I have not heard anything from HR so I am not sure what is going on. I just know references have been called.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

I guess I will do resume builder if I ever apply for a federal job with quick hiring again.

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

Agreed. I think what hurt me with most of the SSA openings was not using the resume builder.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 3:02 pm)

I used that and the OPM 0905 series guide. That thing is life changing.

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 3:12 pm)

Will have to look at it. My resume was not apparently clear enough in regards to experience, so will have to fix it up for future openings.

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

Definitely stay with your current job, but don't give up hope yet.

The hiring freeze expires in 17 days, and something tells me that HR departments across the federal universe have their motors running ready to go, and there will be a decent amount of hiring done over the next few weeks, starting April 24th that is.

Good luck.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

I think the CR for SSA goes through the end of the month so they have to spend the money this month. Chicago seems to have been able to get it together and get the hiring wheels in motion. Maybe they will get more money since there is a huge backlog.

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 2:56 pm)

At least with the first phase of the process, the receiving of our applications and the referring/rejecting part, it was uniform. I received answers on everything by the end of March.

I still think they are spacing out the interviews a bit and going by the order that they were posted on USAJOBs, but we shall see. I am on pins and needles waiting to hear back from Albuquerque, and if I am right then I hear either today or tomorrow, so I will know quickly if I am way off.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

My guess is that they were stuck in the freeze and had to get authorization. St. Louis was canceled and was likely a 3.31 expiration. Last year's SSA crop also seemed to have lots of start dates so Albuquerque, Baltimore, and Columbus will be next most likely if the cert numbers are any indication.

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 3:11 pm)

Agreed. I think Albuquerque and Baltimore/Falls Church will be next. I forgot when the Columbus job posted.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 3:35 pm)

I hope Albuquerque comes through for you!

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kramer716 (Apr 6, 2017 - 3:38 pm)

I appreciate it, and I wish you nothing but success moving forward. What do you do now? Private attorney?

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 5:59 pm)

keep litigating and trying cases . . . :)

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 5:04 pm)

I got a not selected on the temp Chicago position. I am not sure we were considered for that one. It was at the national hearing center, apparently.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 5:54 pm)

did you get an email? As I recall, there was Chicago hearing, Orland Park and the Regional.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 6:07 pm)

Yes, just on the temporary position at the National Hearing Center. That one was posted before the other three. It had a strange "referred" then "reviewed" status.

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mch98 (Apr 6, 2017 - 6:09 pm)

never even saw that one.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 7:44 pm)

I think it was labeled as "temp" and they only show up in my searches because I had changed it to bring up FEMA CORE/disaster attorney positions that I think were labeled as temp as well.

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mtbislife (Apr 6, 2017 - 8:15 pm)

Looks like no interview for me but thanks for the tip on the resume builder, I'll have to use that from now on.

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downwardslope (Apr 6, 2017 - 8:41 pm)

Did you just apply for Chicago?

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mtbislife (Apr 7, 2017 - 2:50 pm)

Yes

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kenosis (Apr 6, 2017 - 5:39 pm)

Sorry to obsess about Milwaukee, but has anyone received an interview offer yet?

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legaleye (Apr 6, 2017 - 6:54 pm)

Nothing yet over here!

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kenosis (Apr 6, 2017 - 6:55 pm)

Thanks!

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mch98 (Apr 7, 2017 - 10:34 am)

Just got rejection email. I am impressed that they made these decisions so quickly.

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downwardslope (Apr 7, 2017 - 10:42 am)

Yep. Got my TO. They were able to push back my start date to 4/24 and said do not tell my employer but I gave unofficial notice. I am not that horrible.

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mch98 (Apr 7, 2017 - 10:44 am)

what is TO? i assume you got an offer? Congrats!

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downwardslope (Apr 7, 2017 - 10:45 am)

Tentative offer.

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mlj2773 (Apr 7, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

They ended up giving me a 4/24 start date too. I got fingerprinted this morning and they said I will probably get the final offer today. I'm refreshing my email like crazy because I want to give notice. I probably should just do it because I know nothing will come up on a background check.

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mch98 (Apr 7, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

That's great. Let us know how it goes.

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downwardslope (Apr 7, 2017 - 1:53 pm)

Congrats. I have to have my package overnighted, do the fingerprint Monday, and overnight it back Monday. We get screened regularly enough here so unless I have a secret personality and have done something since my last rescreen at the end of 2015... I should be fine.

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elphaba12 (Apr 8, 2017 - 7:26 am)

congrats to you! And thank you for all your help!

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mch98 (Apr 8, 2017 - 11:48 am)

Did it work out for you?

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downwardslope (Apr 8, 2017 - 2:50 pm)

Did you decide to take the job?

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downwardslope (Apr 17, 2017 - 7:47 pm)

Did everything work out with your final offer? I ended up giving tentative notice until my final offer Thursday. I don't know anything about the additional training though or where I am supposed to show up. I guess I should call to find out.

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kramer716 (Apr 7, 2017 - 1:23 pm)

Congratulations on receiving the tentative offer. In the off chance that I am picked up by the Albuquerque office I will try to pick your brain.

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kramer716 (Apr 7, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

I received a rejection email as well, but it was for one of the Chicago jobs, and honestly, I thought they rejected me a couple of weeks ago.

I also agree that I am pleased they are making decisions quickly. I prefer good news to bad news and bad news to no news. I don't want to be waiting around trying to guess what my status is, so if I am not getting the job then tell me I am not getting the job.

Finally, I said this in an earlier tweet, but I would keep checking USAJOBS, particularly after 4/23. I think the agencies are going to fast track hiring once they lift the freeze in case President Trump signs another one.

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downwardslope (Apr 7, 2017 - 3:42 pm)

Yes, they are doing well. Last time I interviewed it was radio silence. I only found out the result 4 years later from a person in another office who might have also applied at that location.

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legaleye (Apr 7, 2017 - 10:36 am)

Same. Okay, Illinois is out. Fingers crossed for the others!

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kramer716 (Apr 7, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

Where did you apply? Everywhere or midwest only?

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kramer716 (Apr 7, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

I have a friend who works in an office in Michigan, and she says she heard they interviewed for the Michigan offices and offers were sent out this week.

Having said that they have been pretty good about getting rejection letters out, so I would be surprised if they did this and not let anyone know that they weren't picked up.

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htt4life (Apr 9, 2017 - 7:36 pm)

I got an offer for the NHC in Maryland. Interviewed 3/31 and offer 4/7

The initial add said they were hiring 3...anyone else here get hired for NHC in maryland? Start date 4/17

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downwardslope (Apr 9, 2017 - 9:50 pm)

Congrats! It sounds like maybe all jobs are filled now?

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kramer716 (Apr 10, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

While that is probably the case, I choose to hold out hope that Albuquerque is still possible.

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lawandwar (Apr 10, 2017 - 10:05 am)

i applied to the baltimore and falls church ad. Im assuming since youve already been interviewed and they were only hiring 4 in baltimore, i might not get picked up

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downwardslope (Apr 10, 2017 - 10:16 am)

It sounds like most of the postings have to be filled with a body in the seat by 4/28. For Chicago and Baltimore the start date was 4/17 although they moved some people back to 4/24.

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kramer716 (Apr 10, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

We are probably both out of luck, but still holding out hope. They have been doing a good job of getting rejections out, so I would be surprised that they drag their feet now, but who the hell knows.

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lawandwar (Apr 10, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

Right. I would like to receive a rejection letter if i have been rejected so that i can close out the waiting process for this job.

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kramer716 (Apr 10, 2017 - 2:37 pm)

The good news is they lift the hiring freeze in two weeks, so...knock on wood...the VA is still going to hire.

As for your situation, I only heard that they hired for Baltimore, for whatever reason maybe Falls Church is still picking people up. As for me, I have to think someone else on this thread applied for Albuquerque, so holding out hope that if they didn't hear anything, then I still have a shot, it's a long shot, but a shot

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lawandwar (Apr 10, 2017 - 2:57 pm)

hopefully falls church is still interviewing; id like to land a fed job with the license i have without having to take another bar exam.

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kramer716 (Apr 10, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

Where are you licensed now and how long have you been practicing? Any chance you can just waive into MD or VA?

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lawandwar (Apr 10, 2017 - 3:04 pm)

Im licensed in Louisiana and have been practicing since 2015.

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kramer716 (Apr 10, 2017 - 4:33 pm)

Ah. I would definitely take the MD bar. I know that legal aid in Baltimore hires pretty consistently. Anyway, here is hoping that the VA picks us up if all else fails.

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izzymandelbaum (Apr 10, 2017 - 7:50 am)

These are decision writer positions right? Not appeals council positions?

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t3success (Apr 10, 2017 - 8:16 am)

Yeah hearing level decision writers

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t3success (Apr 10, 2017 - 4:19 pm)

Just curious if anyone knows - if you are hired as "permanent" to begin, what are the chances of being laid off due to budget cuts after April 28th? It looks like the new admin is looking to lay off employees.

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downwardslope (Apr 10, 2017 - 4:22 pm)

I asked about this during my interview and they said it is impossible to tell but since the backlog is so huge, they think the positions would be pretty secure. They also got them approved to start during the freeze, which means they support a critical hiring need.

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t3success (Apr 10, 2017 - 5:59 pm)

Good to know thanks for the info.

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kramer716 (Apr 18, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

On another note, if given the opportunity I will be using the resume builder on USAJOBS to apply for openings moving forward. I received a lot of ineligible even though I have more than the required year experience. I may be way off, but just thinking they are so used to seeing one format they aren't going to examine my resume that is different. Again I could be way off, but to be on the safe side, I am just going to use their format, and err on the side of caution.

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downwardslope (Apr 18, 2017 - 1:56 pm)

Some jobs require the usajobs builder for applications so it is worth it to do it. They want specific information in the resume that would not be on your standard resue. Honestly, most people who have success use a usajobs resume that is also much longer than average. You have to be much more detailed with your duties as well.

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kramer716 (Apr 18, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

Live and learn on my end. I still haven't heard anything from Albuquerque but here is hoping they make a decision soon.

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downwardslope (Apr 19, 2017 - 6:31 am)

I think Albuquerque is in a different hiring area so it could have a different expiration date. For some reason I haven't gotten the Columbus and Baltimore rejections yet either, although I think all the Midwest positions had the same 4/24 date that I got and I think you or someone else said Baltimore had already interviewed. They may just be slower sending out the FOs since there were 4 positions to fill.

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kramer716 (Apr 19, 2017 - 1:17 pm)

I did receive an email to my follow-up regarding Albuquerque today. It wasn't anything extensive, just saying I will receive an email regarding my status in a few days.

I am a bit surprised that you haven't heard from Columbus. I said the Detroit and Livonia offices already interviewed and sent out offers, but I am not sure about Columbus or Baltimore. I was figuring that all the openings that the Chicago office handled were taken care of immediately, so Chicago, Columbus, the Michigan openings, etc., basically all the openings that I was rejected for.:) Albuquerque was handled by the Falls Church office which was apparently my saving grace.

Anyway, so my candidacy is not dead which is a good sign, but my guess is I have a rejection email forthcoming.

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jdmaryland (Apr 19, 2017 - 3:09 pm)

Does anyone have the contact info for HR in Baltimore?

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kramer716 (Apr 19, 2017 - 3:47 pm)

I don't have it, but it should be listed on the job announcement for Baltimore. It will be at the bottom.

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htt4life (Apr 21, 2017 - 5:46 pm)

Maryland has their people already. We start Monday

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jdmaryland (Apr 21, 2017 - 7:50 pm)

ODAR or NCH?

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kramer716 (Apr 24, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

I received the rejection letter from Albuquerque today. Not happy, but at least I didn't receive a positive email 4 hours before I received the rejection to confuse the hell out of me. My guess is they hired everyone who they will hire, but I hope I am wrong.

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lawandwar (Apr 25, 2017 - 5:53 am)

Got mine too. Oh well. On to the next

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mch98 (Apr 26, 2017 - 8:54 pm)

I heard that field officers hire from direct applications and post at law schools etc. rather than through USA jobs so you might want to check that out.

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