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Should I take a leave of abcebse from from law school.

I am thinking of taking a leave of absence from law school. confused1l9304/12/17
They are going to pay a person who is no longer in law schoo thirdtierlaw04/12/17
Suck it up. Life sucks sometimes. You can't take a leave mrtor04/12/17
Sorry can't spell confused1l9304/12/17
Yes, they will pay me to do that. The job may or may not be confused1l9304/12/17
I would not. Just power through. A $15/hr job can't possibly elle30104/12/17
I'd also take a long hard look at your State's unauthorized thirdtierlaw04/12/17
3LOL is not stressful, everybody is burnt by then, that's wh trollfeeder04/12/17
I agree, and I'm the expert on 3LOL 3lol04/12/17
$15 an hour in exchange for a gaping hole in your resume? S ruralattorney04/12/17
Not sure I see the gaping hole. Seems like he'll complete th bonefortuna04/12/17
Except that his transcript will show that he was not a part ruralattorney04/12/17
You're right. I assumed - without knowing - they have a par bonefortuna04/12/17
Go for it. vohod04/12/17
Problem with a leave is that you are more likely to find rea jeffm04/12/17
I agree with mrtor. Suck it up. Time to adult it up and d superttthero04/12/17
Third year is easy. Wait. It this opalbot? adamb04/12/17
I am going to say yes even though the old one was SOconfused superttthero04/12/17
I thought opal was graduating in May and got a job clerking blackholelaw04/12/17
Being a 3L is stressful and everyone is stressed out and bur lawandwar04/12/17
Agree with everyone who says push through. Taking time off tdkerabatsos04/12/17
Bad idea. 3L classes are relatively easy. If you hate yo anothernjlawyer04/12/17
I'm concerned about your motive - getting away from smug peo 008485604/12/17
I say take the time off. If you feel burned out, take that qdllc04/12/17
^ Wise words. ejs201704/12/17
Let me clarify. I know I will be doing substantive work for confused1l9304/12/17
No debt means you still have options. I'd say take the time finklebots04/12/17
Debt free. Grades are horrible. Won't go into details ab confused1l9304/12/17
Oh. Well, you could always lie about your finances. finklebots04/12/17
Let me add that I LIKE legal work. I LIKE my job. I have a g confused1l9304/12/17
If you've got a relative funding you, say that you had a fal finklebots04/12/17
Would you be able to do this work if you stayed in school, g ejs201704/12/17
I would like to elaborate. I'm not stressed over law school. confused1l9304/12/17
Then grow the hell up and push through it. We all get bored 3rdamendmentscholar04/12/17
Lol, this is the standard K-JD approach to law school. Bu anonattempt04/12/17
Already work here part time during the semesters. Worked her confused1l9304/12/17
I don't know, most employers aren't beating down the door of downwardslope04/12/17
Finish up and get to the bar exam. No guarantees you pass so isthisit04/12/17
My gpa is set in stone. And as a short answer to your questi confused1l9304/12/17
My gpa is set in stone. And as a short answer to your questi confused1l9304/12/17
How is your GPA set in stone? No GPA is set in stone with 3 downwardslope04/12/17
You like legal work. You want to be a lawyer. You hate law jeffm04/12/17

confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 5:55 am)

I am thinking of taking a leave of absence from law school. Here are my circumstances.

1. I am about to finish my 2l year.

2. No debt

3. During the leave, I will be working in a legal field I intend to practice in after graduation. The work is substantive. I will be doing research, draftinf motions

Why take the leave? Two main reasons. I'm burnt out of law school. I went straight k-Jd and highly regret it. Just looking at smug professors causes me physical pain. The second reason is that I will be able to work for a year and a half doing substantive legal work. At the end of the leave, I will have the skills to competently operate in this particular field of law.

Peace.

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thirdtierlaw (Apr 12, 2017 - 6:31 am)

They are going to pay a person who is no longer in law school, no law degree, and not admitted to the bar to draft motions for them?

Why won't the job be there after you graduate in a year? Can you work part-time? Will the school allow you to return after your leave with your scholarship in place?

Seems silly to be 2/3rds finished and not finish up if you want to be an attorney.

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mrtor (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:14 am)

Suck it up.

Life sucks sometimes. You can't take a leave of absence every time you feel overwhelmed or wish you could do something else. No employer would stand for that. You need to treat your studies the same way.

As others have said, the leave period will raise red flags with future employers and you are not going to gain any substantive experience doing "grunt work." If you need a break, take it after the bar exam. You should have a solid three to five months to get your head right (or more if you don't find a job right away).

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 6:08 am)

Sorry can't spell

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 6:47 am)

Yes, they will pay me to do that. The job may or may not be there after graduation. As an Attourney, I would have to command Attourney wages. I don't know if they want a new associate. But they will gladly pay me 15 an hour to do the grunt work.

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elle301 (Apr 12, 2017 - 7:11 am)

I would not. Just power through. A $15/hr job can't possibly be as substantive as they are making it out to be.

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thirdtierlaw (Apr 12, 2017 - 7:18 am)

I'd also take a long hard look at your State's unauthorized practice of law statutes. Especially if you'll eventually apply for admission to a bar.

I agree with an above poster that it is highly unlikely you'll be doing substantive work. More likely you'll be doing fill in the blank paralegal work.

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trollfeeder (Apr 12, 2017 - 7:25 am)

3LOL is not stressful, everybody is burnt by then, that's why nobody cares.

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3lol (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

I agree, and I'm the expert on 3LOL

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ruralattorney (Apr 12, 2017 - 8:17 am)

$15 an hour in exchange for a gaping hole in your resume? Sounds like a horrible trade to me.

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bonefortuna (Apr 12, 2017 - 8:58 am)

Not sure I see the gaping hole. Seems like he'll complete the law degree in 4 years and have work experience in there as well.

It will, on paper, look like a typical part-time student resume to me.

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ruralattorney (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:28 am)

Except that his transcript will show that he was not a part time student. And an interview will likely show that as well.

And do we even know if his law school has a part-time program?

Let's put it this way. Maybe, just maybe, a prospective employer won't figure it out. But if they do, it's game over.

I'd rather not roll the dice for $15 an hour.

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bonefortuna (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:29 pm)

You're right. I assumed - without knowing - they have a part-time program.

Assuming they do, I don't think you specify what program you were a part of on the resume. I certainly didn't.

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vohod (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:00 am)

Go for it.

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jeffm (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:02 am)

Problem with a leave is that you are more likely to find reasons not to return. Better to just get it over with.

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superttthero (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:29 am)

I agree with mrtor.

Suck it up. Time to adult it up and do something you don't want to do.

A leave, in my view, requires a major life event: child birth, death of a spouse/child, major illness. I would also some kind of nervous breakdown being imminent, but then I would ask you to reconsider law school in general if it can cause that to you (law practice is 100x worse) and I would just say that no one on the board will be able to let you know if that's your case--only you know if you are about to snap.

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adamb (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:32 am)

Third year is easy.

Wait. It this opalbot?

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superttthero (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:35 am)

I am going to say yes even though the old one was SOconfused.

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blackholelaw (Apr 12, 2017 - 10:24 am)

I thought opal was graduating in May and got a job clerking for a common pleas judge?

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lawandwar (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:33 am)

Being a 3L is stressful and everyone is stressed out and burnt out by then. just suck it up. Why woud anyone in the legal field take you as seriously as they wold with someone with a full law degree or law license. You made it through the hard part, just finish.

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tdkerabatsos (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:47 am)

Agree with everyone who says push through. Taking time off would be viewed as "weird" by potential employers. You don't want any negatives. 3L year can be stressful but in general, it's not nearly as bad as the first 2 years.

That said, there's a big difference between feeling burned out (all law students go through that to some degree) and having a legitimate mental health crisis. Only you know where you are. If the latter, maybe consider the time off. I had a classmate who had a nervous breakdown during 3L year and hasn't been heard from since. Don't be that guy.

That said, odds are you're just stressed, in which case push through.

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anothernjlawyer (Apr 12, 2017 - 9:58 am)

Bad idea.

3L classes are relatively easy. If you hate your professors that much just play on your computer during class like a normal person.

Unless you had to withdraw due to cancer or similar serious illness, having a withdraw on your law school resume will raise big red flags.

Finally, you'll probably get paid more than $15.00 per hour to do the same work as a 1st year associate somewhere.

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0084856 (Apr 12, 2017 - 10:21 am)

I'm concerned about your motive - getting away from smug people and law work. If you become a lawyer you will be surrounded by smug people and law work permanently. Take some time off and think about if this is really a profession where you will be happy.

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qdllc (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

I say take the time off. If you feel burned out, take that as a warning. You have a "law job" lined up that will pay you to get first hand experience of what you can expect in the real world of legal practice. If after a year of the you still want to become a lawyer, you'll be motivated to finish your degree AND you will have a year of practical experience for your resume.

If you learn you hate it, you can walk away before you have the JD "resume stain" to deal with, and you can cite your actual experience for why you changed your mind.

For those who say the break will look bad, spin it as an opportunity to get hands on experience in a law office that you felt was too good to ignore. There are no awards for finishing the JD in 3 years.

I took 6 months off because I was offered a state trooper job during summer break. The offer fell through, and I was in no mental or emotional state to resume classes (I was on the verge of renting the U-Haul when I got the bad news). I took the time to just work an ordinary job and do some soul searching if I wanted to finish my JD.

Anyone who holds taking a LOA from law school against you is really just looking for an excuse to turn you down anyhow.

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ejs2017 (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:11 pm)

^ Wise words.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:34 pm)

Let me clarify. I know I will be doing substantive work for this employer because I currently work for this employer and that's what I do. I do lawyer work with exception of appearances (obviously).

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finklebots (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

No debt means you still have options. I'd say take the time and work. You might find you yhate actual legal work, in which case you'll save yourself a lifetime of misery.

Are you going to pay for the third year or are you graduating debt free? Also, what are your grades like?

A good way to spin the gap might be to say you wanted to earn money for tuition and not go into student loan debt.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:40 pm)

Debt free.

Grades are horrible. Won't go into details about that.

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finklebots (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:42 pm)

Oh. Well, you could always lie about your finances.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:43 pm)

Let me add that I LIKE legal work. I LIKE my job. I have a genuine interest in the work and welfare of the clients. I probably wouldn't in a different area.

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finklebots (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:53 pm)

If you've got a relative funding you, say that you had a falling out and couldn't rely on that money anymore, therefore you took time off to work and earn your way through.

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ejs2017 (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

Would you be able to do this work if you stayed in school, graduated and passed the bar? If you like the work and care about the clients as you say and appear to have the strong possibility of post-graduation employment why not finish?

As everyone has said, 3L is basically low pressure. Other than a few gunners who would gladly go for Years 4 and 5 of law school if they could, pretty much everyone else also is sick of the game, ready to be done and to start the next phase of their life.

I could see quitting if there was no possibility that you would ever practice law. However, you appear to leave to door open. With that in mind, quitting after 2L when you are so close just seems to be one of those decisions that you will regret ten years from now. Bite the bullet and finish particularly if finances are not an issue.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 12:56 pm)

I would like to elaborate. I'm not stressed over law school. I skip class all the time, cram for the final, and pull a B-. I'm just bored and need a breather.

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3rdamendmentscholar (Apr 12, 2017 - 1:08 pm)

Then grow the hell up and push through it. We all get bored. Don't F up your career just because you're bored.

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anonattempt (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:05 pm)

Lol, this is the standard K-JD approach to law school.

But yeah, I say at this point don't take a leave of absence. Maybe see if you can work part-time for them.

And really, the year won't be a "breather". You will mostly likely be doing true grunt work, miserable, realize you're not a special snowflake, and suddenly have a new found appreciation for applying yourself in school and work. You have the summer to work and take what you've a phrased as a "breather."

Regardless, man/woman up, attend class, study, actually apply yourself, etc. It's just one more year.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:21 pm)

Already work here part time during the semesters. Worked here since summer of 1l? What is the benefit of applying myself in school at this point?

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downwardslope (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

I don't know, most employers aren't beating down the door of applicants who have B- average in law school. Are you some trust fund baby with no worries about job options? A better GPA tends to give you less miserable job options after graduation.

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isthisit (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:24 pm)

Finish up and get to the bar exam. No guarantees you pass so don't let up now.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:39 pm)

My gpa is set in stone. And as a short answer to your question. Kind of. Not a trust fund baby but don't have to worry about post grad employment.

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confused1l93 (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:39 pm)

My gpa is set in stone. And as a short answer to your question. Kind of. Not a trust fund baby but don't have to worry about post grad employment.

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downwardslope (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:50 pm)

How is your GPA set in stone? No GPA is set in stone with 3 semesters of grades left. Push through and finish law school and put some effort in. You don't sound like a catch as an employee.

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jeffm (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

You like legal work. You want to be a lawyer. You hate law school. Finish. There is no down-side to finishing. The up-side is that a law license increases your marketability and value within the legal profession exponentially.

The longer you take to graduate, the more stale all the 1-L and 2-L material becomes and the harder it will be to pass the bar exam.

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