Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

What is your penultimate or ultimate position and how do you plan to get there?

I have spun out since graduating in a few jobs. I don't mind vohod04/15/17
What do you currently get paid and what type of pay are you shikes04/16/17
Not sure if this is the penultimate position but it's a good 2breedbares04/16/17
my plan was to be a govt lawyer. this is year 19. planning t defensivelawyer04/16/17
The 10 year plan is to become a deputy director of an agency trollfeeder04/16/17
What agency are you at now? t3success04/16/17
A state agency, wasn't trying to imply federal. trollfeeder04/16/17
Looking at slumlording in the next couple years. It's my hop flyer1404/16/17
I've come to the realization recently that I have little des loblawyer04/16/17
I'm not sure, but it will involve driving around in a van so therewillbeblood04/16/17
I'm currently in my antepenultimate position (in house, mega inho2solo04/16/17
My ultimate goal is to be well-respected as a subject matter elle30104/16/17
I plan to buy old debts from state and community banks and h vohod04/16/17
my ultimate position involves being squashed into an urn. I dingbat04/16/17
Ultimate Position: (Somewhat to largely unrealistic): I want cacrimdefense04/17/17
ok, ew. It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it? Not dingbat04/17/17
Yeah, Johnny Cochran had it rough after he got OJ off. I me sjlawyer04/18/17
Do those defendants have the money to actually pay you what vohod04/17/17
Hardly. One thing I've learned representing child sex crime cacrimdefense04/17/17
people will spend their last dime and max their credit cards defensivelawyer04/17/17
Yup. Catching a case that dangles lifelong sex offender regi cacrimdefense04/17/17
My experience, which is clearly much less than CaCrim's says sjlawyer04/18/17
ultimate goal would be to make enough from my writing that I youngbuck04/17/17
I am really unsure. Two years ago, I would have said: a part guyingorillasuit04/17/17
How old are you? I am late 20s so I think its crazy early to vohod04/17/17
I want to have a cushy in-house or gov't job in my current l 3lol04/17/17
Really liked the post question! I ask just about everyone newjag1704/18/17
For any wondering about early to retire, financial freedom, wutwutwut04/18/17
And no for any adhoministic tards, I dont get anything for m wutwutwut04/18/17
Interesting site. He got a big advantage thanks to his inves vulturelaw04/20/17
When I was in law school, I would have said exactly what I h rainsofcastamere04/18/17
Going in-house was the best decision that I ever made. ruralattorney04/19/17
Ditto on in-house. I consider it my ultimate position. scottw04/19/17
I want to earn a living writing erotica and romance novels u isthisit04/19/17
I'd like to have a lot of passive income streams and monetiz vulturelaw04/20/17
That's cool dude 👍. Post a link to the blog. I'd lov isthisit04/20/17

vohod (Apr 15, 2017 - 10:01 pm)

I have spun out since graduating in a few jobs. I don't mind litigation but I am constantly applying to jobs that pay anything more than I make now.

I only have 3 jobs on my resume since graduating in 2014. However, I feel at some point I need to figure out where I want to be versus applying and moving to different jobs.

Has anyone figured out what their end goal is as a professional? I can assume all of us could generalize it as "to cash the checks and have senior associates and ops management run the show," but how do you get there?

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shikes (Apr 16, 2017 - 1:01 am)

What do you currently get paid and what type of pay are you looking for? Also, what market?

My unrealistic goal is to become a judge at any level. My realistic goal is to either work for a heavy volume plaintiff's firm or just make partner at some low end defense firms. Not super lofty goals, but more or less guaranteed to be attainable unless I have major screwups.

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2breedbares (Apr 16, 2017 - 12:54 am)

Not sure if this is the penultimate position but it's a good start. Low six figure gov't job where I do an in house counsel kind of role. Great benefits (no copay for health), pension (80% of my highest salary at 60, less if I retire early). 9-5. Sometimes less. And interesting work.

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defensivelawyer (Apr 16, 2017 - 2:55 am)

my plan was to be a govt lawyer. this is year 19. planning to do another 10. i never wanted a big upside, just needed a limited downside.

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trollfeeder (Apr 16, 2017 - 8:15 am)

The 10 year plan is to become a deputy director of an agency or a chief law clerk. Hitch my wagon to someone with more aspirations, and ride the wave.

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t3success (Apr 16, 2017 - 8:57 am)

What agency are you at now?

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trollfeeder (Apr 16, 2017 - 9:03 am)

A state agency, wasn't trying to imply federal.

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flyer14 (Apr 16, 2017 - 9:31 am)

Looking at slumlording in the next couple years. It's my hope that as the business grows it supplements and eventually replaced my income. Then just hire a property manager and call it a day

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loblawyer (Apr 16, 2017 - 11:23 am)

I've come to the realization recently that I have little desire to make partner or to become a big player in the field. If I age out of the law firm world, will try to work client side (it is a viable exit option in my practice area). Similar to flyer14, want to have a small real estate portfolio generating enough income to eventually hedge against age discrimination.

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therewillbeblood (Apr 16, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

I'm not sure, but it will involve driving around in a van solving mysteries.

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inho2solo (Apr 16, 2017 - 4:16 pm)

I'm currently in my antepenultimate position (in house, megacorp), my penultimate position will be semi-retired, working maybe 10 hps doing US legal work for a friend's EU-based firm, and my ultimate position will be full retirement, fishing and kayaking and doing whatever else pleases me.

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elle301 (Apr 16, 2017 - 6:53 pm)

My ultimate goal is to be well-respected as a subject matter expert in my field. Currently, I am working as a state government attorney in said field, where I plan on hanging out for 10 years so that I can have my loans forgiven (assuming that's still a thing when it happens). In the meantime, I am taking three more accounting classes online so that I can sit for my CPA exam. By the time the next step comes along, I will have the credentials to be really competitive. Perhaps that will be teaching, or working on a congressional committee, or at a well-known firm... I am not sure yet.

Right now I like my job, but I don't get much time off and would love to have enough time off to travel with my husband in a few years.

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vohod (Apr 16, 2017 - 7:05 pm)

I plan to buy old debts from state and community banks and have people call it. Depending on how old I am I may sue it or have someone else. I am in the collections world and it is here I am destined to stay.

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dingbat (Apr 16, 2017 - 8:17 pm)

my ultimate position involves being squashed into an urn. I'm pretty sure I'll achieve it

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cacrimdefense (Apr 17, 2017 - 12:19 am)

Ultimate Position: (Somewhat to largely unrealistic): I want to be recognized as among the best (Top 3) sex-crimes-involving-minors defense attorneys in California, and I want the ability to get paid accordingly.

Penultimate Position: Los Angeles County Bar Panel attorney who handles 3 to 5 Murder trials per year, and bills in the neighborhood of 175 to 225k per year for said work.

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dingbat (Apr 17, 2017 - 1:28 pm)

ok, ew.

It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it? Nothing wrong with how a person makes an honest living, but, I can't imagine telling people I defend child molesters on a daily basis

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sjlawyer (Apr 18, 2017 - 8:50 pm)

Yeah, Johnny Cochran had it rough after he got OJ off. I mean, besides the brain cancer.

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vohod (Apr 17, 2017 - 2:07 pm)

Do those defendants have the money to actually pay you what you want? I assumed most are dead broke.

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cacrimdefense (Apr 17, 2017 - 3:24 pm)

Hardly. One thing I've learned representing child sex crime perpetrators (I've dealt w/ far more than my share) AND those facing empty accusations of having had sex w/ minors, they come from most corners of society. People from all levels of socioeconomic achievement are found as defendants in these cases. Perhaps the Wealthy a bit less than folks occupying a rung somewhere on this ladder: Upper Middle Class through Poor.

You'd be surprised how common it is that your fellow Americans put their hands on minors, w/ less than wholesome intentions. As a younger lawyer, I was quite taken aback to see how frequently it seems to happens.

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defensivelawyer (Apr 17, 2017 - 3:47 pm)

people will spend their last dime and max their credit cards to defend a molest allegation.

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cacrimdefense (Apr 17, 2017 - 4:29 pm)

Yup. Catching a case that dangles lifelong sex offender registration over one's head is quite a diff. situation than being charged for slugging your girlfriend, driving drunk or engaging in credit card fraud. Convictions for child molestation cases follow defendants around forever ... and everyone knows it. That's part of why I like them. With such matters, you don't have to sell the importance of legal representation to the purchaser of the services.

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sjlawyer (Apr 18, 2017 - 8:49 pm)

My experience, which is clearly much less than CaCrim's says that he's highly credited. Not only that, but the defenses are much more creative and interesting that most other felonies.

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youngbuck (Apr 17, 2017 - 7:51 am)

ultimate goal would be to make enough from my writing that I could do it full-time and leave this law thing behind. penultimate position would be some kind of state gig where the hours and benefits were good and people weren't ready to have a coronary over the clients

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guyingorillasuit (Apr 17, 2017 - 4:51 pm)

I am really unsure. Two years ago, I would have said: a partner at a small family law firm with high-end clients. A year ago, I would have said: put away enough money so that I could retire early somewhere abroad. Now, I don't even know.

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vohod (Apr 17, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

How old are you? I am late 20s so I think its crazy early to have any detailed plan.

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3lol (Apr 17, 2017 - 5:24 pm)

I want to have a cushy in-house or gov't job in my current legal field in a low COL area with a pleasant climate with enough resources to own a small aeroplane.

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newjag17 (Apr 18, 2017 - 7:26 pm)

Really liked the post question!

I ask just about everyone (whether attorney or not) this same type question. Unlike a lot of attys (and professionals for that matter.

Mine would be retirement in mid 50's and roll into a full-time community college faculty position teaching gov't or criminal justice (no research or publishing demands like a 4-year). Collect law retirement, teach full-time, and do JAG Reserves. Additionally, take a few court appointments to maintain license and write!

Dingbat: Classic response!

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wutwutwut (Apr 18, 2017 - 10:44 pm)

For any wondering about early to retire, financial freedom, etc, see Sam Dogen's 'site "Financial Samurai".

I can't (yet) afford to do half the stuff he talks about, but some of it I can do. If it kills me, I'm going to be free and retired by 58. No matter where ur at in your path, seems he's got ideas.

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wutwutwut (Apr 18, 2017 - 10:48 pm)

And no for any adhoministic tards, I dont get anything for mentioning hýs site. Ive just found it useful.

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vulturelaw (Apr 20, 2017 - 3:30 pm)

Interesting site. He got a big advantage thanks to his investment banking job, but still some very good advice about real estate and financial planning tools. Thanks for the link.

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rainsofcastamere (Apr 18, 2017 - 11:29 pm)

When I was in law school, I would have said exactly what I have now: corporate, mid-sized firm, moderate COL metro of ~2 million, partnership track. Realistically though, I find firm life kind of miserable. I guess my goal is to go in-house in a few years? Would love to transition to a non-legal job but am old for a transition (36) and don't really have the skill set.

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ruralattorney (Apr 19, 2017 - 9:55 am)

Going in-house was the best decision that I ever made.

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scottw (Apr 19, 2017 - 8:10 pm)

Ditto on in-house. I consider it my ultimate position.

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isthisit (Apr 19, 2017 - 9:47 pm)

I want to earn a living writing erotica and romance novels under a pseudonym.

Currently I'm watching a lot of porn and writing Stars Wars fan fiction to help perfect my craft.

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vulturelaw (Apr 20, 2017 - 3:37 pm)

I'd like to have a lot of passive income streams and monetize some of the things I do for fun. I'm looking at buying an apartment building right now, and I'm working on a hunting and fishing blog that I'd like to turn into a full-blown online forum with ad and affiliate sales revenue. I also do some writing for local newspapers and magazines. It doesn't pay well, but I'm hoping once I build up a portfolio, I can command a higher price. Of course I'll keep practicing law too, but it's not my passion and it doesn't pay as much as it should for all the grey hair it put on my head.

I'd like to be able to retire by 65 or so, like most people. I'm in good shape, so hopefully I don't die of a heart attack or cancer before I can enjoy myself.

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isthisit (Apr 20, 2017 - 10:48 pm)

That's cool dude 👍. Post a link to the blog. I'd love to check it out.

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