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Smaller Secondary Market SSA Positions

I know there was a massive SSA thread a little while back so mrtor06/15/17
They hire through law school postings or other job boards. H downwardslope06/15/17
Before I went out to Guam, I found an SSA listing on Monster kramer71606/15/17
They advertise all over, but it seems bizarre. Like there ma downwardslope06/15/17
There was a mass hiring binge a couple of months ago on USAJ kramer71606/15/17
So--- most do not hire through USAJobs, but the unions compl downwardslope06/15/17
How long did it take to start seeing your applications revie mrtor06/19/17
It usually takes a few weeks. There are several more posting downwardslope06/19/17
Thank you for the tip regarding new announcements. IT seems kramer71606/19/17
Tons of attorney advisor postings just went up today: Charlo killself12306/19/17
Thank you very much. I applied for Charlotte, Atlanta, Hatti kramer71606/19/17
I'm a current SSA employee and would be happy to answer any killself12306/19/17
How was the hiring process for you? Was there a long time la kramer71606/19/17
My understanding is that it is either very fast or 6+ months downwardslope06/19/17
Knock on wood regarding the fast part. I will go anywhere, s kramer71606/19/17
No. That was in person. I was local. They had one non-local downwardslope06/19/17
No worries. I will happily go to Charlotte, Hattiesburg, Lex kramer71606/19/17
Did you do the usajobs resume? downwardslope06/19/17
I did. I learned my lesson after the ass kicking I received kramer71606/19/17
I meant $90 mil... typo there. Kramer- training is around 3 downwardslope06/19/17
Thank you. I appreciate everyone's advice/assistance with th kramer71606/19/17
Usually there is a nationwide training for the 3-week one bu downwardslope06/19/17
Thank you again. If they do it regionally I would assume the kramer71606/19/17
They do a national. It doesn't seem to have a rhyme or reaso downwardslope06/19/17
Interesting. Where was yours? Did you do an extended stay ho kramer71606/19/17
You don't pay for anything, don't worry. I went to St. Louis downwardslope06/19/17
Interesting. I am curious what the logic is regarding where kramer71606/20/17
I just started this year. I think they are hiring lots more downwardslope06/22/17
For some reason, I thought I saw you had been there for year kramer71606/22/17
I have interviewed multiple times. I did not get hired in 20 downwardslope06/22/17
Gotcha. Your pattern, well except for the getting hired part kramer71606/22/17
It was actually relatively quickly because it was the end of killself12306/19/17
Also, it was in person. killself12306/19/17
I appreciate it. What city are you in? If you don't want to kramer71606/19/17
NYC area killself12306/19/17
Nice. I am in Upstate NY at the moment, although opposite en kramer71606/19/17
Best of luck. It's a decent place to work. The workload can killself12306/19/17
Thank you. I would love the opportunity to work there. At my kramer71606/19/17
Just curious if anyone else applied for the SSA openings in kramer71606/26/17
I applied for one in central IL in mid-June. Application sho mrtor06/26/17
Damn, missed that one. Where was it in IL? Springfield? Good kramer71606/26/17
Not referred. Insufficient documentation of my license statu mrtor06/26/17
My sympathies. Call them up and yell. I sent a picture of my kramer71606/26/17
They just sent out a notice. Apparently the "new" hiring sys mrtor06/28/17
For those of you who were referred in the past, do you need mrtor06/28/17
No undergrad needed. I have an official electronic transcrip downwardslope06/28/17
Anyone heard anything further? They briefly re-opened the li mrtor07/05/17
Nope. Not yet. I would hope this week or early next week. kramer71607/05/17
Double. mrtor07/05/17
There is another posting today in Tampa for anyone intereste downwardslope07/10/17
Thank you. Wonder if more will be posted from that region. I kramer71607/10/17
No word on this end either. mrtor07/11/17
I am going to give them a month before I start emailing the kramer71607/11/17
Looks like someone has heard back: http://top-law-schools kenosis07/12/17
Thank you. I am curious which office picked them up. They ha kramer71607/12/17
Also curious. kenosis07/12/17
2-year terms are for people who are in jobs not posted on us downwardslope07/12/17
Thank you. I hope I hit one of the jobs down south, so would kramer71607/12/17
I think we had those in my area. The offers are out now. It downwardslope07/12/17
Just to be clear, you mean the offers are out for the jobs t kramer71607/12/17
I imagine if it is through USAJOBS, you should get a referra downwardslope07/12/17
I had an interview for the Falls Church location about two w esquire201407/13/17
Thank you both for the information. I will take a rejection kramer71607/13/17
I would like to know the same. When I was initially rejected mrtor07/13/17
Yeah, I am going to be writing a few emails today trying to kramer71607/13/17
Have you gotten responses? I was initially kicked as a resul mrtor07/13/17
It will probably be tomorrow or early next week if I get a r kramer71607/13/17
Just a quick question. When you said Falls Church, by any ch kramer71607/13/17
Falls Church was the Alexandria one. Sorry for the confusion esquire201407/13/17
No worries. My only regret is if I knew that I had no shot I kramer71607/13/17
Thank you!Do you have the job alert set up on USAJOBS? Ch esquire201407/13/17
I am applying for the jobs, but for the recent postings, I h kramer71607/13/17
I interviewed with the Atlanta region in the past and it was downwardslope07/13/17
Ah. I will, would?, have taken any of those openings. I figu kramer71607/13/17
It is frustrating. I applied to something like 200 fed jobs downwardslope07/13/17
https://www.fdic.gov/about/legalhon ors/index.html esquire201407/13/17
Just to give a quick update. I sent off an email to the Alex kramer71607/13/17
Thanks for looking into it. kenosis07/13/17
No worries. Hope I am wrong about the blow-off thing kramer71607/13/17
Received an email from the hiring contact handling the Hatti kramer71607/13/17
Morning All, I was contacted for interviews from the foll esquire201407/14/17
Out of curiosity, are you a vet? Did you receive veteran's p kramer71607/14/17
Yes, I'm a proud veteran. I think the position was for "All esquire201407/14/17
They post it for all US citizens, but they rate everyone's a kramer71607/14/17
The rules do not apply for excepted service like they do for downwardslope07/14/17
Take this for what it's worth, but received another reply fr kramer71607/14/17
That sounds right. That may be the case for positions that a downwardslope07/14/17
I take it as not great news, but better news. I thought my c kramer71607/14/17
Did they have a veoa cert? They can always do that as well. downwardslope07/14/17
Either way it looks like there was one in Louisville and an downwardslope07/14/17
I think they have a veoa cert. I saw the Louisville one as w kramer71607/14/17
Anybody hear anything about Hattiesburg or Tampa? oddis50007/16/17
They started making calls for Hattiesburg to set up intervie kramer71607/17/17
Hm. Are we sure about the veteran thing? Because I am a vete oddis50007/17/17
I am basing it on what I was told. I emailed the HR contact kramer71607/17/17
Just received a referral for the Alexandria office. Would lo kramer71607/18/17
I just received a referral for that office too. However, I i esquire201407/18/17
If they stopped interviewing on July 3rd, then I would be di kramer71607/18/17
I just remember the ALJ saying that when he called to schedu esquire201407/18/17
No worries. It wouldn't surprise me, but hope you are wrong. kramer71607/18/17
Just keep in mind that if they do a vet cert, they may only downwardslope07/18/17
Received a T.O. from Alexandria about 1.5 hours after being esquire201407/18/17
Nice. Congratulations. Wonder if they will give me the rejec kramer71607/18/17
Did they give you a start date? esq2407/18/17
I will probably turn the position down because I have alread esquire201407/19/17
I'd really like to move to Tampa or Hattiesburg. But I'd set oddis50007/18/17
Didn't Tampa just close last week? I am sure they have not d downwardslope07/19/17
Same. I will move anywhere if there is a job. I have no ties kramer71607/19/17
There were a few new posts today in Florence, Birmingham, an downwardslope07/19/17
I found the Florence and Birmingham ones, but will have to d kramer71607/19/17
Many offices hire people who were legal assistants, in claim downwardslope07/19/17
Just applied for St. Louis. They only have a 3-day window an kramer71607/19/17
Yea it's probably still early for Tampa, so hopefully you ar oddis50007/19/17
It seems to be within 1-2 weeks that HR reviews the selectio downwardslope07/19/17
I interviewed on June 23, 2017 and received an offer on July esquire201407/19/17
Ok thanks for the info guys oddis50007/19/17
Just got a message from the Albuquerque office, and I applie kramer71607/20/17
I know someone else who got the call but has as many details downwardslope07/20/17
Still waiting on the return call. I would have no issue with kramer71607/20/17
Just got the call. It looks like it doesn't mean much. They kramer71607/20/17
Sure it does! It means you are still under consideration. Th oddis50007/20/17
I appreciate the vote of confidence. It would be awesome to kramer71607/21/17
Looks like the non-referral for lack of vet pref emails have downwardslope07/21/17
I did receive a rejection for the Raleigh opening, but no ot kramer71607/21/17
Yep, I got the Raleigh rejection email too. tenthsgirl07/21/17
I do appreciate the fact that they at least gave out a reaso kramer71607/21/17
Why would you even consider applying for a federal job witho sanka07/21/17
Just the scratchers kramer71607/21/17
I didn't realize that it is extremely unlikely that you'll g kenosis07/21/17
It does seem like it's a pretty big obstacle, but having sai kramer71607/21/17
Most attorney positions do not use vet preference since it i downwardslope07/21/17
Fair enough. My experience with the Feds is limited to apply kramer71607/21/17
On an unrelated note, I still have only received a did not r kramer71607/21/17
Has anyone interviewed for Hattiesburg? oddis50007/21/17
I think someone above said he was offered a Hattiesburg inte downwardslope07/22/17
Ok thanks! oddis50007/22/17
I received my official rejection for the Alexandria opening. kramer71607/24/17
Anything from Albuquerque? downwardslope07/24/17
Not yet. The phone call I got just said they were going thro kramer71607/24/17
for those waiting to hear from Charlotte, my buddy (VET) got htt4life07/24/17
Thanks for the info. I'm guessing Hattiesburg has probably a oddis50007/24/17
I would assume not, but who the hell knows. I am only holdin kramer71607/25/17
Update, for those waiting to hear from Charlotte, my buddy d htt4life07/25/17
Appreciate the update. Good luck to your buddy with whatever kramer71607/25/17
There seems to be a lull in the action. Have offers already oddis50007/26/17
This would appear to be the case. They probably sent everyth kramer71607/27/17
Well @#$#. I really wanted that Hattiesburg job. oddis50007/27/17
I feel your pain. I would take a job, anywhere at this point kramer71607/28/17
I did- I actually (finally) interviewed for Hattiesburg, but oddis50007/28/17
Congratulations on the Hattiesburg interview. I would say ma kramer71607/28/17
Falls Church, VA and Woodlawn, MD are about to accept apps f brownbear07/28/17
It is appreciated. rwiag@yahoo.com kramer71607/28/17
Sent brownbear07/28/17
Thank you. It is appreciated. kramer71607/28/17
You're welcome. brownbear07/28/17
Would you mind sending it to me too, at crystyle19@yahoo.com sobrandnew07/29/17
Sent, you're welcome brownbear07/29/17
I realize that this was posted about a week ago at this poin lowry4408/06/17
Atlanta. Who has heard anything? USA gov says app received w diblawyer07/28/17
One poster on here said they interviewed for Atlanta. I appl kramer71607/28/17
I heard they offered positions with almost no time to give n downwardslope07/31/17
Wouldn't surprise me. I have heard crickets outside of that kramer71607/31/17
It is possible Atlanta et al made offers but I don't know wh downwardslope07/31/17
Albuquerque ODAR has set up interviews through mid-August. diblawyer07/31/17
Of course they have. I appreciate the news. Now I can go to kramer71608/01/17
This whole process has just been odd AF. Not getting hired i oddis50007/31/17
The hiring process has been interesting. There were openings kramer71608/01/17
It is bizarre. I know people who have applied to positions i downwardslope08/01/17
Not sure how many this applies to, but I sent a follow-up to kramer71608/01/17
Sorry. What does "qualifying" mean? They are still attemptin kenosis08/01/17
I didn't get an explanation, but I am guessing when they go kramer71608/01/17
I think that usually means they are making a certificate to downwardslope08/01/17
You are probably correct, sir. I was thinking back to when I kramer71608/01/17
We haven't figured it out. For example there are person A an downwardslope08/01/17
I am a bit concerned about not being picked up for a job in kramer71608/01/17
Sorry that it's off topic, but what was working in Guam like kenosis08/01/17
No worries. It's a great place to work when you are starting kramer71608/01/17
Thanks. Those positions have always been tempting. kenosis08/04/17
No worries. I highly recommend it. kramer71608/04/17
I hate to be a broken record, but has anyone heard anything oddis50008/01/17
Nope, nothing. I should probably check in with Tampa, so wil kramer71608/02/17
I got a reply from the person handling the Tampa search. kramer71608/02/17
I know they are not just doing vets in other regions. This i downwardslope08/02/17
No worries. I wasn't expecting to be picked up for Tampa but kramer71608/02/17
With these insane timeframes I imagine they will have to int downwardslope08/02/17
Hopefully, I would have no problem with Louisville, even for kramer71608/03/17
Thanks for checking! Today was the day I said I would offici oddis50008/02/17
No worries. Good luck. I hope you end up back in that part o kramer71608/03/17
Regarding the internal hiring bulletin for Falls Church/Wood kramer71608/04/17
I have an interview set up for Woodlawn next week. They sai jdmaryland08/04/17
My apologies, I confused that opening with another one I app kramer71608/04/17
I was notified via phone. It's an in person interview. I'm jdmaryland08/04/17
I am wondering if they are aiming for local candidates, so t kramer71608/04/17
You're welcome. I'll let you know if I hear anything else. jdmaryland08/04/17
Appreciate it. Have a good weekend. kramer71608/04/17
Just curious if anyone heard from the Louisville opening. Fo kramer71608/07/17
I received a referral for the St. Louis opening but they app kramer71608/09/17
The deadline for the AA position with NCAC at falls church o jdmaryland08/09/17
Thank you. I hope to be interviewed, but I still haven't hea kramer71608/09/17
DId you get a sense as to how many people they are hiring? kramer71608/09/17
Given that the Woodlawn and Falls Church deadlines have been silvere208/09/17
I would also like to receive that email at cbsdsu2003@yahoo. politicalgirl201708/09/17
I received it. Thanks so much! politicalgirl201708/10/17
If there has been a new announcement with the extended date, lowry4408/11/17
You can use the same announcement. Date is extended to 8/14 jdmaryland08/11/17
FYI, they are interviewing for the opening in Richmond on Mo oddis50008/11/17
The ad I read for that said it is continuous and they will b downwardslope08/11/17
I honestly can't imagine anyone wanting to work in Richmond, oddis50008/11/17
I would go to Richmond, but since they are interviewing and kramer71608/13/17
Bro/muchacha, i see you've applied all over the US, is your htt4life08/19/17
Bro/muchacha, i see you've applied all over the US, is your htt4life08/19/17
Do you have any opinions on working at NHC vs NCAC vs a hear jdmaryland08/19/17
The main difference among the three is as follows: NHC- y downwardslope08/19/17
That'a one of the crazy things about California. The cost of oddis50008/13/17
I just checked in with the Louisville office, and they repli kramer71608/14/17
Ugh, sorry to hear that. Have we heard of anyone actually be oddis50008/14/17
Don't think so with this group of listings, but there were a kramer71608/14/17
My impression is that some of these newer job postings have downwardslope08/14/17
Thanks for the info. That is so frustrating if true. I was o oddis50008/14/17
Also, just sent a couple emails to the contact for the Falls kramer71608/15/17
Just an update for those who were referred to the St. Louis kramer71608/18/17
I phone interviewed for a Midwest position a few weeks back. lawst08/18/17
They don't seem to. I would call or email the contact they g kramer71608/18/17
I don't think so. i interviewed for Hattiesburg over a month oddis50008/20/17
Albuquerque ODAR wrapped up interviews this week. They said diblawyer08/18/17
I received an email saying I have been referred to the Richm kramer71608/21/17
Best of luck, Kramer! jdmaryland08/21/17
Appreciate it kramer71608/21/17
From the frequency of the posting in my law school symplicit downwardslope08/21/17
Yeah the cost is brutal, but I will bite that bullet if they kramer71608/21/17
I have family in that area who told me GS-13 was around the downwardslope08/21/17
I don't know how many slots Richmond plans of filling, but I oddis50008/21/17
Yeah, this is why I am not holding out hope. I thought it sa kramer71608/21/17
On my law school's symplicity, it said it would be conductin downwardslope08/21/17
From the out of the blue category, I received a Notice of Re kramer71608/22/17
I got the same thing. I'd say the fact that the end of the e oddis50008/22/17
The best thing about receiving that is they never tell you w kramer71608/22/17
I received a call from the Atlanta office wanting to schedul oolong08/22/17
Just out of curiosity, are you a veteran? The pattern seemed kramer71608/22/17
Wow- is it possible that they are really just taking forever oddis50008/22/17
It's the feds, so definitely possible. It would be nice to k kramer71608/22/17
Honestly, at this point, any information would be welcomed. oddis50008/22/17
Not that this is "news" but, as kramer has said, that a lot cratercity08/22/17
Man if true that's sorry and I'm sorry to hear that. I know oddis50008/22/17
This process has been annoying for lots of offices. They're downwardslope08/22/17
I was told at an interview that people do not need to be in jdmaryland08/23/17
Hi. No I'm not a vet, never worked for Feds before either. oolong08/23/17
Appreciate it. To a T they were always contacting veterans f kramer71608/23/17
FYI, Newark Office called today to set up interview. oolong08/23/17
Appreciate it. Won't lie. Didn't know Newark was hiring:) kramer71608/23/17
Yeah and I can't tell you where I applied to them from. I c oolong08/23/17
I did receive an email asking to schedule an interview for t kramer71608/23/17
Finally! I hope it works out for you. I think either the NHC downwardslope08/23/17
I appreciate your help with all this. I am in celebration mo kramer71608/23/17
Yay! So glad to hear this! If you get it let me know, I live oddis50008/23/17
I appreciate it. I will definitely be picking your brain if kramer71608/23/17
Congrats! brownbear08/23/17
Thank you. kramer71608/24/17
The Federal soup forum used to be pretty good with info abou oolong08/24/17
Thanks! I'd take anything in the South honestly. I've given oddis50008/24/17
Congrats!! jdmaryland08/23/17
Thank you kramer71608/24/17
Congrats! I know this has been a long road. Hopefully the in cratercity08/23/17
Agreed. Knocking on wood now. kramer71608/24/17
Try out Glassdoor for interview help. It can be accurate but downwardslope08/24/17
Prepping for the interview, but to give an update. Received kramer71608/25/17
I am sure that office is insanely popular. I know St. Pete i downwardslope08/25/17
I received the rejection saying that I hadn't provided all t oddis50008/25/17
IF you didn't use it for this one I would use their resume b kramer71608/25/17
My simplicity just told me that Falls Church and Woodlawn we cratercity08/26/17
EDIT: I’m an idiot, disregard.. old news lol I didn’t ev cratercity08/26/17
Just received a notice of results and referral status for th kramer71609/07/17
Did they list a reason? That's only happened to me once, for notreallyalawyer09/07/17
Could be worse. Sometimes they do an interview AND a referen downwardslope09/07/17
Yea they are sending these "referral" letters after they've oddis50009/07/17
For those applying for federal attorney jobs, have you ever notreallyalawyer09/07/17
They didn't list a reason, but odds are it was because I did kramer71609/07/17
Does your ID have a date on it? I use a screenshot of my web govlaw09/07/17
No, it doesn't list a date, but I followed your suggesting a notreallyalawyer09/07/17
Yes I just do that or order a certified letter from the bar downwardslope09/07/17
I received the "You are eligible, but you haven't been refer kramer71609/14/17
It's about time. Worst agency I've ever seen as far as the h oddis50009/14/17
Clearly you have not applied to the DOT. It is a black hole. downwardslope09/14/17
I don't think this is an agency wide issue. I think it's the kramer71609/14/17
I interviewed in the Atlanta region in 2010 and never heard downwardslope09/14/17
I live in Atlanta and I didn't even get a call back. My know diblawyer09/14/17
I got the same thing for my market today. Not referred becau cratercity09/14/17
For planning purposes, I would say assume you have no shot, kramer71609/14/17
Thanks, good luck in yours as well. I know it’s been a lon cratercity09/14/17
I'm not sure which is worse- I've interviewed for multiple o oddis50009/15/17
This is true. Getting your hopes up and then taking the rug kramer71609/15/17
It's honestly such a huge crap shoot at this point. They get oddis50009/15/17
Yeah the market sucks. I found a couple jobs in WV and PA an kramer71609/15/17

mrtor (Jun 15, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I know there was a massive SSA thread a little while back so I am hoping to draw upon the collective knowledge and wisdom of those who have already been through the process. Can any of you comment on the hiring process for attorney advisors for smaller markets (300k metro area)? How quickly can you expect to hear back? Are we talking days? Weeks? Months?

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downwardslope (Jun 15, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

They hire through law school postings or other job boards. How fast it is depends on how long it takes to hire. It can take a few weeks or 9 months depending on the urgency. Now it is more urgent so I would guess it would be quicker. If they hire through law school/jobsites other than usajobs, it is usually to speed up the process, but those are term appointments.

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kramer716 (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

Before I went out to Guam, I found an SSA listing on Monster. This was 2008. I sent my stuff in, and the next day they emailed me for an interview. The position was in Baltimore. I didn't get it, hence Guam, but that was the only time I have ever seen an SSA position not advertised on USAJOBS. It is good to know that they advertise in other places, still.

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downwardslope (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:30 pm)

They advertise all over, but it seems bizarre. Like there may be one in your town but you hear about one 50 miles away and not that one because the one in your town might only post on one law school's website. My 2010 interview was from a posting from a local law school that a friend sent. I assume that is where they post today but since I did not go there I would never see it. I know of one town where all the new hires went to one law school. It is not the best in that town or the only in that town.

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kramer716 (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:54 pm)

There was a mass hiring binge a couple of months ago on USAJOBS. I think the smallest towns I saw on there were Orland Park, IL and Lansing, MI.

They just posted an ad for Alexandria, but I think that lasted an hour or so before they reached their quota. Anyway, would love to see some jobs advertised on MSU's site.

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downwardslope (Jun 15, 2017 - 6:02 pm)

So--- most do not hire through USAJobs, but the unions complain about it because then you end up with say everyone in the Raleigh, NC office being from UNC and they have to know to go on there to look. They just post to like one law school and call it a day. I think SSA got 90 billion to reduce the backlog so there should be money for another set of hires soon.

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mrtor (Jun 19, 2017 - 8:04 am)

How long did it take to start seeing your applications reviewed/referred after the listing closed?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 8:24 am)

It usually takes a few weeks. There are several more postings today although it says they are limited to "attorney advisors" whatever that means. It does not look limited to current employees since it starts at gs-9.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 9:51 am)

Thank you for the tip regarding new announcements. IT seems there is a hiring trend in the south.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 11:59 am)

Tons of attorney advisor postings just went up today: Charlotte, Atlanta, Lexington Kentucky, Hattiesburg, and Raleigh.

Good luck!

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

Thank you very much. I applied for Charlotte, Atlanta, Hattiesburg, and Raleigh. I missed Lexington, so will apply there now.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 12:01 pm)

I'm a current SSA employee and would be happy to answer any questions.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 12:47 pm)

How was the hiring process for you? Was there a long time lag from when you applied until you were interviewed or was it pretty quick?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:14 pm)

My understanding is that it is either very fast or 6+ months. This is a 90 bil appropriation that I assume they need to use this FY. It should be fast. They have to do detailed reporting to the legislature as to how the money is used, so if they are not moving along, it will look really bad.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

Knock on wood regarding the fast part. I will go anywhere, so if the Barrow AK office is hiring. Let's rock and roll.

Sorry, I missed your earlier post re: the 2010 interview. Did you do that over the phone?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

No. That was in person. I was local. They had one non-local person via phone though.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

No worries. I will happily go to Charlotte, Hattiesburg, Lexington, Raleigh, or Atlanta. Hell, not to beat the Alaska horse again, but if it's in Nome. I will head up to Nome.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

Did you do the usajobs resume?

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:48 pm)

I did. I learned my lesson after the ass kicking I received during the last go round with SSA hiring.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:58 pm)

I meant $90 mil... typo there. Kramer- training is around 3 weeks for official and then there is additional unofficial training through a local office and a mentor.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

Thank you. I appreciate everyone's advice/assistance with this.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 3:14 pm)

Usually there is a nationwide training for the 3-week one but I think NYC area offices have their own. Otherwise it depends on the time of year and expense of the training locations as to where you go and how long you go, I think. People have gone to Baltimore, KC, StL, Falls Church, and Seattle in the past.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 3:16 pm)

Thank you again. If they do it regionally I would assume the training would be in Atlanta, but a national training would be interesting.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 5:12 pm)

They do a national. It doesn't seem to have a rhyme or reason where you go other than price of getting to the destination and hotel costs. You may be with people from different regions. The local depends on how they want to set it up. It may be with several offices in a local area or region.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 5:15 pm)

Interesting. Where was yours? Did you do an extended stay hotel, and did it kill you cost wise?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 8:51 pm)

You don't pay for anything, don't worry. I went to St. Louis. Basically they give you almost no notice... it is a great setup. It is pretty much "your training starts next week, oh and you can't miss any days" so most people end up having to miss because that's not realistic. I think if people have to miss the national portion and there is another national training, they may try to reassign you, but otherwise you can just make up the non-national portion. The national portion is only a week now, down from 2-3 weeks.

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kramer716 (Jun 20, 2017 - 9:17 am)

Interesting. I am curious what the logic is regarding where they hold the training, but I am more than willing to go wherever. Are you still with the SSA?

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downwardslope (Jun 22, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

I just started this year. I think they are hiring lots more though. We think it will be by 9/30 so I assume the postings will go up soon. I was told they are supposed to have 1.5 writers per judge and my office is barely squeaking in at 1:1 with the senior attorney. That is after a judge transferred. There has essentially been a freeze for several years with few hires outside of the case assistance centers/hearing centers. Almost everyone in my office was hired at the beginning term of the Obama administration. I heard that from several other new hires as well.

I heard they are trying to do 300 ALJs in one year in 2 groups instead of the usual 150 they had been doing the past couple of years.

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kramer716 (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

For some reason, I thought I saw you had been there for years. Did we talk before on that other thread? I will have to go back and check. If so, I am guessing you are in the Chicago office since that was the one that seemed to be hiring. Anyway, I will shut up. I have applications out to all the recent postings, so VA, NC, MS, and GA and hopefully one of those hits.

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downwardslope (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:52 pm)

I have interviewed multiple times. I did not get hired in 2010 and got hired by a state agency instead where I have worked in the interim.

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kramer716 (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:46 pm)

Gotcha. Your pattern, well except for the getting hired part, is similar to mine. I was interviewed to work in their main office back in 09 and wasn't picked up, so worked for an AG's office in the interim. Hopefully, I get picked up this go around.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:50 pm)

It was actually relatively quickly because it was the end of the fiscal year, so they were trying to get in hires. I think the entire process took about a month - may be different from other people's experiences here.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:52 pm)

Also, it was in person.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:55 pm)

I appreciate it. What city are you in? If you don't want to say the city, then what state?

My experience was with the VA, but it's skewed because of the GD hiring freeze, so I didn't get a rejection until March when I interviewed in December.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

NYC area

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

Nice. I am in Upstate NY at the moment, although opposite end of the state from you.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

Best of luck. It's a decent place to work. The workload can get tedious, but the hours are great. Decent pay, good benefits, and lots of vacation time!

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:34 pm)

Thank you. I would love the opportunity to work there. At my last job I handled child support cases which tend to ratchet up the drama, so I will take tedious.

How long was your training? Do you get a month shadowing someone, and then they dump you in the pool?

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kramer716 (Jun 26, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

Just curious if anyone else applied for the SSA openings in Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Lexington, or Hattiesburg. If you did, then would you please post if you hear anything, and I will do the same. Good luck to anyone who applied.

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mrtor (Jun 26, 2017 - 3:21 pm)

I applied for one in central IL in mid-June. Application shows "received" with no change since I applied.

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kramer716 (Jun 26, 2017 - 3:22 pm)

Damn, missed that one. Where was it in IL? Springfield? Good luck and thank you for the update.

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mrtor (Jun 26, 2017 - 6:15 pm)

Not referred. Insufficient documentation of my license status? The application instructions said a screenshot of your ARDC page showing active status was sufficient. At least get me on something substantive.

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kramer716 (Jun 26, 2017 - 7:44 pm)

My sympathies. Call them up and yell. I sent a picture of my bar card, so hopefully that works for them

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mrtor (Jun 28, 2017 - 9:14 am)

They just sent out a notice. Apparently the "new" hiring system is having technical difficulties and previously rejected applicants can resumbit their materials by tomorrow. If you get dinged for insufficient documentation that you know you attached, contact them as soon as possible.

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mrtor (Jun 28, 2017 - 10:09 am)

For those of you who were referred in the past, do you need to submit law school AND undergraduate transcripts or is law school enough?

Edit: It appears unofficial transcripts are sufficient until selected, just want to make sure I don't get dinged if they prefer official ones upfront. Re "Applicants selected for the position must provide an official transcript(s) prior to being appointed."

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downwardslope (Jun 28, 2017 - 10:15 am)

No undergrad needed. I have an official electronic transcript so I have no idea whether unofficial is sufficient.

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mrtor (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:06 am)

Anyone heard anything further? They briefly re-opened the listing I had applied to in order to allow applicants to re-submit anything that the system excluded. I sent them a letter of good standing and a copy of my ARDC profile showing active status. Hopefully that's enough. I also made sure to fill out the USA Jobs resume this time instead of simply attaching a resume. With the Fourth behind us, they should make some headway soon.

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kramer716 (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:11 am)

Nope. Not yet. I would hope this week or early next week.

100% pure speculation, but would hope they want to get everything done so that people can start in August.

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mrtor (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:06 am)

Double.

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downwardslope (Jul 10, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

There is another posting today in Tampa for anyone interested.

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kramer716 (Jul 10, 2017 - 2:32 pm)

Thank you. Wonder if more will be posted from that region. I also hope that they give us a status report on the jobs posted a couple of weeks ago.

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mrtor (Jul 11, 2017 - 9:36 am)

No word on this end either.

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kramer716 (Jul 11, 2017 - 1:03 pm)

I am going to give them a month before I start emailing the contacts. There was a posting for Alexandria last month, so I will start there first to see if I can peg down a timeline.

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kenosis (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

Looks like someone has heard back:

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=279542

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kramer716 (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:39 pm)

Thank you. I am curious which office picked them up. They have been decent about getting out the rejection notices, and I haven't heard anything, so I am hoping that I still have a shot.

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kenosis (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

Also curious.

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

2-year terms are for people who are in jobs not posted on usajobs typically. From what I can gather, those were posted prior to the Atlanta ones.

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kramer716 (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Thank you. I hope I hit one of the jobs down south, so would be a bit depressed if the Atlanta ones are filled.

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2017 - 3:20 pm)

I think we had those in my area. The offers are out now. It seems like they had like a 2-month turnaround from posting to expected start date. There were some perm offered though in offices that had usajobs postings and I am not sure how those are progressing.

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kramer716 (Jul 12, 2017 - 3:30 pm)

Just to be clear, you mean the offers are out for the jobs that weren't offered on USAJOBS, and not the USAJOBS ones, the Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh openings.

If they stick to the two-month timeline, then they will fill the Atlanta area openings near the end of August. They have been good about bringing down the ax, so I would think if my application is no longer being considered they would have let me know by now. Ah well, all I can do is hope at this point.

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2017 - 5:53 pm)

I imagine if it is through USAJOBS, you should get a referral. SSA is pretty good about that. As far as I know, the ones that are out were not on USAJOBS because they tend to be the two-year term positions. I just know that in my office they are filling many positions (from receptionist up through supervisory level) and there are only two people in the office who conduct the interviews, so that slows things down a bit. They only have a limited amount of time available to do the interviews even though they seem to be doing a few daily now. I think all of the HR offices are trying to sort through a mass of applications as well due to the $90 million given to reduce the backlog.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 8:22 am)

I had an interview for the Falls Church location about two weeks ago. Atlanta (including both NC locations) and Hattiesburg called me yesterday to schedule interviews for today and tomorrow. I turned down the interviews because I received an offer from another agency on yesterday.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 8:44 am)

Thank you both for the information. I will take a rejection at this point if I am referred. Don't have to interview me, just want to know my documents aren't being rejected out of hand. I won't lie. I am a bit frustrated at this point. Anyway, good luck with your new position.

One other question. Did they change your status at all, or did it stay received until you got the calls to be interviewed by Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. I applied, status said received, and it has stayed received. Before they at least said I wasn't referred, so I know I was rejected. Now they just keep me in the dark, apparently.

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mrtor (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:30 am)

I would like to know the same. When I was initially rejected for the technical glitch, I never even saw "reviewed" before it was "not referred." Not sure if "received" means you're still in the que, or if they can somehow review your application without changing over the status.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:41 am)

Yeah, I am going to be writing a few emails today trying to figure this crap out. I didn't want to bother anybody, but if they already set up the interviews, then nothing to lose now.

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mrtor (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:45 am)

Have you gotten responses? I was initially kicked as a result of a technical glitch not attaching certain documents, which evidently happened for a lot of the applicants. After my re-submission, I emailed the listed contact to see if he could at least confirm that all of the necessary documents went through this time. Nothing. Absolutely no response. It's been about two weeks since then and no change. I got kicked after ten days the first time.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:57 am)

It will probably be tomorrow or early next week if I get a response. If I do not, then I will probably try to call next week to get an answer.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:04 pm)

Just a quick question. When you said Falls Church, by any chance, did you mean Alexandria? I applied to Alexandria, and that job opening came out two weeks before the Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, etc. openings.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

Falls Church was the Alexandria one. Sorry for the confusion.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 3:43 pm)

No worries. My only regret is if I knew that I had no shot I wouldn't have been as nice in my email to them.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 9:27 am)

Thank you!Do you have the job alert set up on USAJOBS?

Check here for Navy positions: http://www.secnav.navy.mil/OGC/Lists/Vacancies2/Front.aspx

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 9:33 am)

I am applying for the jobs, but for the recent postings, I have not heard anything back. I sent my documents in; it says they received the documents, then crickets. Since the requirements for these SSA positions was admission to the bar I don't see why I would not be referred, not interviewed, just referred. With the previous SSA postings, they at least gave me bad news. This time around I heard nothing. Anyway, just me being frustrated. I will check into the Navy positions. Thank you again for your help.

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downwardslope (Jul 13, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

I interviewed with the Atlanta region in the past and it was only 4 years later that I learned why I did not get the position (from an SSA employee.) Apparently everyone internal applied to that office! I have a coworker with me now who wanted it as an internal and knows someone else who got it. I think they are just bad with notifications.

HHS also posts positions on their OGC site and you can sign up for emails. Some offices are good about sending rejections, but with all the turmoil recently with healthcare I have not gotten any emails for months.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:01 pm)

Ah. I will, would?, have taken any of those openings. I figured Atlanta was my best bet because they said "many locations" on the opening. The rest were few vacancies, except Raleigh which also had many vacancies.

I will still send out some follow-up emails today to the hiring contacts. If I am not getting picked up, and the odds are that isn't happening, then will do Doc review in Pittsburgh, but I don't want to have two leases if at all possible, so will try to get answers.

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downwardslope (Jul 13, 2017 - 5:50 pm)

It is frustrating. I applied to something like 200 fed jobs and had 4 interviews before having success. I have a friend who has been applying and had the same experience as you... no go with VA and no calls with SSA.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 9:29 am)

https://www.fdic.gov/about/legalhonors/index.html

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:06 pm)

Just to give a quick update. I sent off an email to the Alexandria contact, and the reply was

"You will receive notification of your status once there has been an update. Thank you."

So sounds like a blow-off, but who the hell knows

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kenosis (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:09 pm)

Thanks for looking into it.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:18 pm)

No worries. Hope I am wrong about the blow-off thing

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 3:27 pm)

Received an email from the hiring contact handling the Hattiesburg opening.


"You will receive notification in email of any updates."

So pretty similar to the Alexandria contact. It looks like this is the standard line they will use to blow you off. We will probably get rejection emails tomorrow.

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esquire2014 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:17 am)

Morning All,

I was contacted for interviews from the following locations:

Alexandria (Falls Church)
Atlanta
Both NC locations
Lexington, KY
Hattiesburg, MS

My usajobs status still says "received."

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:25 am)

Out of curiosity, are you a vet? Did you receive veteran's preferences? If so, thank you for your service. I am wondering if they interview the vets first, and fill the slots. Then, go through and fill in with the non-vets.

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esquire2014 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:46 am)

Yes, I'm a proud veteran. I think the position was for "All US Citizens," but maybe they do consider Vets with current employees.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:57 am)

They post it for all US citizens, but they rate everyone's application, so we both probably have the same initial score of, let's say 100. You get the bonus points for being a vet, so your name will always be at the top of the list along with any other veterans who applied. So they will fill the spots with veterans first, then hopefully I can catch on with any of the remaining ones.

I take this as good news because I thought they were just blowing me off, but at least now, in theory, I still have a shot. They were just following protocol.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 11:32 am)

The rules do not apply for excepted service like they do for competitive service, although they certainly look at it as a factor. I have been interviewed for an attorney job on a military base with no experience although I am sure someone with experience was selected internally.

From what I have seen they do highly prefer people with some government experience, which should be good for you. It does not necessarily need to be current. There were people in my training group with a decade + of private sector experience.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:15 pm)

Take this for what it's worth, but received another reply from a hiring contact.

"A certificate has been issued for Preference Eligible Veterans first, once the list has been exhausted then we can then issue an non veteran list.

Once the system has been updated you will receive a notice.

Thank you for your interest in employment with our agency."

So just based on this, it appears that military veterans are given a preference, and that matches up with esquire's experience from what I can tell.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:28 pm)

That sounds right. That may be the case for positions that are part of a bargaining unit that it is part of the contract. They tend not to like the non usajobs postings since it is harder for older applicants to find them.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

I take it as not great news, but better news. I thought my chances were nil before, but now I at least have a shot. I may sound like Jim Carrey from "Dumb and Dumber," "So you're saying there's a chance" but I have a shot at least.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Did they have a veoa cert? They can always do that as well.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 5:43 pm)

Either way it looks like there was one in Louisville and an HHS posting today. I think Louisville had many vacancies although it looks like a temporary contract. From what I heard this week, the backlog is bigger than ever so I don't really think a small wave of hiring is going to put a huge dent to the extent that people will get laid off. People are starting to get worried about mandatory overtime.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 7:21 pm)

I think they have a veoa cert. I saw the Louisville one as well, and I applied.

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oddis500 (Jul 16, 2017 - 12:30 pm)

Anybody hear anything about Hattiesburg or Tampa?

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kramer716 (Jul 17, 2017 - 2:07 pm)

They started making calls for Hattiesburg to set up interviews, but they were only calling veterans apparently, hopefully, after they do that they will give us a status this week. Just to be clear, they go through the veterans list first, then do everyone else.

The Tamps job was just posted recently, and I don't think they have done anything yet on that one, but I don't know for sure.

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oddis500 (Jul 17, 2017 - 2:34 pm)

Hm. Are we sure about the veteran thing? Because I am a veteran. I got called for a couple of other offices but not these. Man, this seems really random lol.

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kramer716 (Jul 17, 2017 - 3:14 pm)

I am basing it on what I was told. I emailed the HR contact for the Atlanta opening, and she said they were going off the veterans list first, and then they will go through the other lists. There was a poster on here, Esquire 2014, who was apparently contacted for all the openings, so I asked if he was a veteran and he said he was, so I assumed the veteran thing is correct.

I could be wrong, but it seemed to check out.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:15 am)

Just received a referral for the Alexandria office. Would love to think this is good news, but have received referrals in the past, and then two hours later I received the rejection.

Also, the lesson to learn from my referral is this. You will probably have more success if you use the resume builder on USAJOBS.gov instead of using a copy of your resume. I did not get a referral for the positions that were in Baltimore and DC during the last round of recruiting when I sent a copy of my resume. I believe the same HR contact handled both openings, and the only thing I did differently was used the resume builder, so take that for what it's worth.

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esquire2014 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:45 am)

I just received a referral for that office too. However, I interviewed with that office on June 23, 2017 and their last interview was on July 3, 2017 because they wanted to hire by the end of July.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:50 am)

If they stopped interviewing on July 3rd, then I would be disappointed. I can start August 1st, so hopefully, they are still hiring. Anyway, the USAJOBS resume builder piece of advice still stands. I received mainly rejections during the last go round when I used my resume, but once I used the resume builder, I at least got referred. I may not be interviewed, but I got referred which is an improvement.

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esquire2014 (Jul 18, 2017 - 10:06 am)

I just remember the ALJ saying that when he called to schedule an interview last month.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 10:17 am)

No worries. It wouldn't surprise me, but hope you are wrong. At least I learned the best way to apply for these jobs now.

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downwardslope (Jul 18, 2017 - 11:10 am)

Just keep in mind that if they do a vet cert, they may only have a limited number of candidates who are interviewing 2-4 places. They might not accept offers. If that is the case, they may need a second cert and will start from scratch. The fact that they are referring on a second certificate is a good sign.

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esquire2014 (Jul 18, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

Received a T.O. from Alexandria about 1.5 hours after being referred.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

Nice. Congratulations. Wonder if they will give me the rejection notice today. They have a habit of sending the "Congratulations, you have been referred" email to be quickly followed by the "yeah, you haven't been picked up" email about two hours later.

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esq24 (Jul 18, 2017 - 6:42 pm)

Did they give you a start date?

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esquire2014 (Jul 19, 2017 - 8:22 am)

I will probably turn the position down because I have already accepted one with another agency.

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oddis500 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:37 pm)

I'd really like to move to Tampa or Hattiesburg. But I'd settle for simply knowing something at this point.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 8:20 am)

Didn't Tampa just close last week? I am sure they have not done interviews yet. You probably still have a shot there even if they made selections for Hattiesburg.

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

Same. I will move anywhere if there is a job. I have no ties to any place at this point, so am flexible geographically speaking.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 5:52 pm)

There were a few new posts today in Florence, Birmingham, and St. Louis.

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 6:40 pm)

I found the Florence and Birmingham ones, but will have to do St. Louis.

Wish they would have done St. Louis during the last go round instead of cancelling the opening.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 6:57 pm)

Many offices hire people who were legal assistants, in claims/adjudication or in other positions within SSA to be AAs/paralegals, so it's possible they selected someone outside that certificate and this is just another round.

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 7:01 pm)

Just applied for St. Louis. They only have a 3-day window and are only hiring one person, so I am wondering if someone just left them in the lurch, and they want to get a quick replacement. I think you applied with me to the last St. Louis opening. I am too lazy to look at the previous thread, but I remember getting a referral for them, then getting the email saying they canceled the posting. I believe the last St. Louis opening was for many vacancies, but I digress. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I would have missed this one.

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oddis500 (Jul 19, 2017 - 9:46 am)

Yea it's probably still early for Tampa, so hopefully you are right. Does anyone have a feel for how long generally does it take to make offers after the conclusion of the interviews?

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 10:50 am)

It seems to be within 1-2 weeks that HR reviews the selections and makes the tentative offers.

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esquire2014 (Jul 19, 2017 - 11:04 am)

I interviewed on June 23, 2017 and received an offer on July 18, 2017.

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oddis500 (Jul 19, 2017 - 11:28 am)

Ok thanks for the info guys

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kramer716 (Jul 20, 2017 - 1:33 pm)

Just got a message from the Albuquerque office, and I applied there in March. I called them back and left a message, but apparently, if you were rejected during the last go round, then you still have a shot.

This leads me to a question for anyone who has received a call by them. What is the first call supposed to be? Is it just to set up an interview time? She already said it's not a job offer, so not expecting that but curious what to expect.

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downwardslope (Jul 20, 2017 - 2:15 pm)

I know someone else who got the call but has as many details as you do. I am not sure if they picked up the call or just for the message.

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kramer716 (Jul 20, 2017 - 2:19 pm)

Still waiting on the return call. I would have no issue with Albuquerque. We were under a Tornado warning, so it would figure that they would try to call back when I am taking my trip to Oz.

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kramer716 (Jul 20, 2017 - 2:37 pm)

Just got the call. It looks like it doesn't mean much. They are gathering names of people who are still interested so that they can fill available positions. I was not offered an interview at this point, so it's nice to receive a call but not sure if it means anything.

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oddis500 (Jul 20, 2017 - 8:22 pm)

Sure it does! It means you are still under consideration. That's something- best of luck!

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

I appreciate the vote of confidence. It would be awesome to work in Albuquerque, but not getting my hopes up. I was freaking ecstatic when they initially called yesterday and left a message, but the follow-up call took away most of that excitement. I will say of all the openings I have applied to over the past few months Albuquerque is top on my list, so I hope something does happen.

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downwardslope (Jul 21, 2017 - 10:42 am)

Looks like the non-referral for lack of vet pref emails have gone out.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I did receive a rejection for the Raleigh opening, but no other rejections yet, although I am sure they are coming

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tenthsgirl (Jul 21, 2017 - 11:24 am)

Yep, I got the Raleigh rejection email too.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 11:30 am)

I do appreciate the fact that they at least gave out a reason why I wasn't referred. During the last round of rejections, they were much vaguer. I prefer to know that it was because I am not a vet, and not because of any issues with my documents that I submitted. I am still disappointed, but not frustrated like before

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sanka (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:36 pm)

Why would you even consider applying for a federal job without veteran preference points???

I suppose you also buy Power Ball lottery tickets...,

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

Just the scratchers

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kenosis (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:41 pm)

I didn't realize that it is extremely unlikely that you'll get a federal job without veteran preference points. Is that accurate?

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:45 pm)

It does seem like it's a pretty big obstacle, but having said that I am sure there are quite a few people who do it. Of course, I can also tell you that I have had no success, and only been interviewed for an Attorney-Advisor position with the BVA which I didn't get.

I only apply to positions that have multiple vacancies, with the hope that I will hit on something, but as I said my success rate is nil. Still, doesn't hurt to try.

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downwardslope (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

Most attorney positions do not use vet preference since it is excepted service. I have not gotten a position with the Feds for not being a veteran, but I was interviewed and it was with one of the military branches. I think this is likely based on the union and the Atlanta office is in a different union from most of the rest of the country.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

Fair enough. My experience with the Feds is limited to applying for jobs, so don't know the ins and outs yet.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

On an unrelated note, I still have only received a did not refer message for the Raleigh opening, so hopefully, we still have a shot with the other openings.

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oddis500 (Jul 21, 2017 - 7:08 pm)

Has anyone interviewed for Hattiesburg?

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downwardslope (Jul 22, 2017 - 8:13 am)

I think someone above said he was offered a Hattiesburg interview and was a vet, but he declined. Keep in mind that if they don't get enough interest off the vet certificate, then they will have to go to the US Citizen certificate.

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oddis500 (Jul 22, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

Ok thanks!

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kramer716 (Jul 24, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

I received my official rejection for the Alexandria opening. I appreciate the fact that they didn't send both the referral and rejection emails within hours of each other, so there is no confusion.

Good luck to everyone with the remaining openings.

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downwardslope (Jul 24, 2017 - 5:36 pm)

Anything from Albuquerque?

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kramer716 (Jul 24, 2017 - 5:52 pm)

Not yet. The phone call I got just said they were going through and seeing who was still interested in working there, but nothing as to what the next step will be. I still have the woman's number that called, so may call Friday to follow-up if I don't hear anything this week. Did your friend hear anything?

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htt4life (Jul 24, 2017 - 8:49 pm)

for those waiting to hear from Charlotte, my buddy (VET) got an offer today 7/24 and needs to let them know tomorrow if he will accept. They offered a 12/step1

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oddis500 (Jul 24, 2017 - 10:25 pm)

Thanks for the info. I'm guessing Hattiesburg has probably already made an offer as well.

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kramer716 (Jul 25, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

I would assume not, but who the hell knows. I am only holding out some type of hope for the Atlanta and Louisville openings just because there are supposed to have a lot of openings.

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htt4life (Jul 25, 2017 - 11:13 am)

Update, for those waiting to hear from Charlotte, my buddy did not accept.

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kramer716 (Jul 25, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

Appreciate the update. Good luck to your buddy with whatever job he is doing

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oddis500 (Jul 26, 2017 - 9:05 pm)

There seems to be a lull in the action. Have offers already gone out and they are in a holding pattern?

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kramer716 (Jul 27, 2017 - 1:14 pm)

This would appear to be the case. They probably sent everything out for the Atlanta, Charlotte, Lexington, etc. jobs. Louisville, Birmingham, and Florence just closed, so they are probably getting their stuff in order for those to do the interviews/offers.

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oddis500 (Jul 27, 2017 - 8:06 pm)

Well @#$#. I really wanted that Hattiesburg job.

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kramer716 (Jul 28, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

I feel your pain. I would take a job, anywhere at this point. Did you ever check out and see if you were getting points for being a veteran?

I still haven't heard from Albuquerque, so may just call them. I am hoping Louisville hits, but so far haven't heard jack from them.

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oddis500 (Jul 28, 2017 - 9:08 pm)

I did- I actually (finally) interviewed for Hattiesburg, but never heard anything out of Tampa. My USA Jobs account only shows received for both. It's been complete radio silence for almost two weeks now, so I'm guessing that's not good ha.

I've actually got a job I like ok, it's just on the West Coast and my wife and I would rather move closer to Florida. But I've definitely been where you are. I applied for countless of these things until I finally was hired by the Feds. I really wish you the best- I think your diligence will pay off.

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kramer716 (Jul 28, 2017 - 11:30 pm)

Congratulations on the Hattiesburg interview. I would say maybe not write it off yet. I am giving up my prognostication hat. When I think people have a shot they fill the position in seconds, and when I believe the position is filled they keep interviewing so what the hell do I know. I forgot about Tampa. I haven't heard anything either, but since there are only a few openings I am sure you will get called before I will on that.

I appreciate your well wishes. I am geographically flexible because I am single with no kids so that I will go anywhere, but we shall see.

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brownbear (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:00 pm)

Falls Church, VA and Woodlawn, MD are about to accept apps for decision writers again. Post a throwaway email address and I'll forward you the recruitment bulletin. I'm a current employee and received it internally, but it looks open to all.

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kramer716 (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:30 pm)

It is appreciated.

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brownbear (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:33 pm)

Sent

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kramer716 (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:35 pm)

Thank you. It is appreciated.

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brownbear (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:39 pm)

You're welcome.

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sobrandnew (Jul 29, 2017 - 7:59 am)

Would you mind sending it to me too, at crystyle19@yahoo.com? I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you!!

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brownbear (Jul 29, 2017 - 9:10 am)

Sent, you're welcome

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lowry44 (Aug 6, 2017 - 10:02 am)

I realize that this was posted about a week ago at this point, but if you, or anyone else that received it, could forward me the recruitment bulletin to this address below it would be greatly appreciated:

jlowry4400@gmail.com

Thanks. Good luck to all those who have applications out for any of these listings.

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diblawyer (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:01 pm)

Atlanta. Who has heard anything? USA gov says app received while all my others say reviewed. I interviewed and rejected an offer from Baltimore ODAR a few moths back.

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kramer716 (Jul 28, 2017 - 4:35 pm)

One poster on here said they interviewed for Atlanta. I applied for the Atlanta, Charlotte, Hattiesburg, Lexington etc. openings and they all still say received, and not reviewed. I was not referred for the Durham opening, but it went from received to not referred, it never went to reviewed. So, no clue, but good luck. My guess is they probably made the offers, but I really don't know.

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downwardslope (Jul 31, 2017 - 3:58 pm)

I heard they offered positions with almost no time to give notice so no one could accept. I am not sure if that was the case in lots of offices or just in a few. There may be reposts.

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kramer716 (Jul 31, 2017 - 4:43 pm)

Wouldn't surprise me. I have heard crickets outside of that Albuquerque call a couple of weeks ago.

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downwardslope (Jul 31, 2017 - 5:25 pm)

It is possible Atlanta et al made offers but I don't know whether people could accept with such a tight timeframe. I am not sure when the last day was people had to start but it sounds like they got a tentative offer and had to start in around a week and a half. Not really doable unless someone didn't care about a prior job and did not have to move.

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diblawyer (Jul 31, 2017 - 11:32 pm)

Albuquerque ODAR has set up interviews through mid-August.

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 1:05 pm)

Of course they have. I appreciate the news. Now I can go to my hail mary for the Albuquerque job while they are still interviewing, and I can start getting the U-haul ready to go to Pittsburgh for Doc review. Good times.

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oddis500 (Jul 31, 2017 - 7:59 pm)

This whole process has just been odd AF. Not getting hired is no big deal- but interviewing, and then hearing absolutely nothing is the worst. And my account still says "received" for every position, whether I interviewed or never heard from them. Are these people really this incompetent? I've been fortunate enough to work with two different Fed agencies- it never went down like this.

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 1:09 pm)

The hiring process has been interesting. There were openings all over the US back in March, and I applied to all of them. To the credit of those offices, they were quick to send out the rejections/not referred. I received all my results by March 31st.

With the southern ones, Atlanta, Charlotte, Hattiesburg etc. There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason to how they are doing things which cause the frustration.

No clue why there has been such a difference in the hiring process

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downwardslope (Aug 1, 2017 - 1:32 pm)

It is bizarre. I know people who have applied to positions in the Chicago region this time around and have gotten no follow up outside of "received" on usajobs. You would think with the same office it would have the same result, but it does not.

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

Not sure how many this applies to, but I sent a follow-up to Louisville and got a response. They said they are still qualifying all the applicants, and once they have completed the review they will send out notifications, so I am hoping that they haven't hired their quota yet.

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kenosis (Aug 1, 2017 - 3:50 pm)

Sorry. What does "qualifying" mean? They are still attempting to determine who to interview?

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 4:16 pm)

I didn't get an explanation, but I am guessing when they go through and score your application is what they call qualifying, so I would say they are still determining to interview.

I could be wrong, but that's just my guess.

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downwardslope (Aug 1, 2017 - 4:50 pm)

I think that usually means they are making a certificate to send to the hiring manager with candidates to for an interview.

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 4:55 pm)

You are probably correct, sir. I was thinking back to when I applied to the VA and received a numerical score which showed I was eligible to take the next step.

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downwardslope (Aug 1, 2017 - 5:18 pm)

We haven't figured it out. For example there are person A and person B. Person A lives near location X. Person B lives between X and Y but a little closer to Y. A got an interview/offer at Y and said people there do not live nearby. B got the interview/offer at X. A ends up moving to a new office Z as soon as possible because the commute is unsustainable. Doesn't it make sense to pair people with the near offices? Apparently each cert is different and A and B only had one interview each.

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 5:32 pm)

I am a bit concerned about not being picked up for a job in Louisville because I am in Upstate NY now, so the letter I wrote addressed your point of them giving 24 to 48 hours notice on a start date. I said it wasn't a big deal for me, and cited my moving to Guam with two suitcases and staying in a hotel to start, so hopefully, that allayed any concerns they had if they had any.

No clue if that was a smart move, but given the Sound of Silence coming from the other offices so far I thought it worth the roll of a dice.

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kenosis (Aug 1, 2017 - 7:16 pm)

Sorry that it's off topic, but what was working in Guam like?

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kramer716 (Aug 1, 2017 - 7:42 pm)

No worries. It's a great place to work when you are starting out. It is a small island, probably about 300 square miles. Weather is what you would expect from a tropical island, 77 the low and 87 the high pretty much daily. For the job, it was pretty good. I was in the child support division, so the cases were interesting, but they involved a lot of Pi--ed off parents, so I got that drama. If you want to work prosecution you can, you get a lot of trial experience fast doing that.

When you have the time, it is a great place to use as your launch pad to Asia. Guam has direct flights to Tokyo, Manila, and Seoul and from those locations, you can pretty much hit the rest of Asia pretty quickly. I went to Thailand, Hong Kong, Macau, Saipan, Korea, Japan, and Fiji during my time there.

There are a lot of sushi places. It has a substantial mainland presence, so a lot of American restaurants, three malls, and you get all the movies at the same time you would here. I call it Japan's Hawaii because of the direct flights from Tokyo; they have tons of Japanese tourists come on island annually.

Getting back to what I said before, I would say it is ideal to do Guam when you are first starting out being an attorney, or within the first few years, but if you need a job then take it. I was hired with two other guys, and one was a new attorney, but the other one was in his 50s, and he loved he loved his time on Guam. I know the office just lost an attorney in Prosecution, and that is a common occurrence. They are always hiring. I don't know if it is from what I said on here, but I think someone from this board either just started on Guam or will be starting soon.

To compare an AG job on Guam to an SSA job. If you want to be in court, then go with Guam. You will get court experience and a lot of it. If you don't want to appear in court and you have the option, then go with SSA, but this assumes they pick us up.

You get five years to practice if you don't take the Guam bar exam. If you want to stay, you have to take it within the first five years. I regret not taking it, but cie la vie.

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kenosis (Aug 4, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

Thanks. Those positions have always been tempting.

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kramer716 (Aug 4, 2017 - 3:36 pm)

No worries. I highly recommend it.

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oddis500 (Aug 1, 2017 - 8:50 pm)

I hate to be a broken record, but has anyone heard anything from Hattiesburg or Tampa? I'd do unspeakable things to move back near the Gulf.

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kramer716 (Aug 2, 2017 - 2:02 pm)

Nope, nothing. I should probably check in with Tampa, so will let you know if I hear anything. For Hattiesburg I would check with who interviewed you.

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kramer716 (Aug 2, 2017 - 3:15 pm)

I got a reply from the person handling the Tampa search.

"The Tampa Referral list has been issued.

Veterans Apply and always float to the top of all best qualified list. Veterans must be considered and selected over any Non Vets. The Vet Only list has been referred at this time. Once the Veterans list is exhausted and additional selections are requested, at that time, the Non Vet List will be issued.

If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me."

I would assume Hattiesburg is the same way.

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downwardslope (Aug 2, 2017 - 4:10 pm)

I know they are not just doing vets in other regions. This is weird but it may be in the union contract for Atlanta.

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kramer716 (Aug 2, 2017 - 4:30 pm)

No worries. I wasn't expecting to be picked up for Tampa but figured it wouldn't hurt to check in.

Let me ask you this, though. All the HR contact people for the Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Hattiesburg, Lexington, etc. openings are based out of Atlanta. The contact for the Louisville openings is based in the Louisville office. Does that mean anything to you? The listing for Louisville had it listed as many vacancies available, and they are term-limited to 2 years, so wondering if the demand is less for those positions.

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downwardslope (Aug 2, 2017 - 4:55 pm)

With these insane timeframes I imagine they will have to interview and offer lots of jobs for "many" positions. You should have a good slot. Many people also apply internally to go from one office to another. I would imagine St. Louis would not be popular and I am not sure about Louisville.

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kramer716 (Aug 3, 2017 - 2:08 pm)

Hopefully, I would have no problem with Louisville, even for a couple of years. It seems like an awesome city. Not a Louisville basketball fan, but besides that should be fun.

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oddis500 (Aug 2, 2017 - 8:37 pm)

Thanks for checking! Today was the day I said I would officially give up hope, sooo.. best of luck to you guys. Hopefully they'll repost some of the same cities.

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kramer716 (Aug 3, 2017 - 2:12 pm)

No worries. Good luck. I hope you end up back in that part of the country, or go to that part of the country.

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kramer716 (Aug 4, 2017 - 3:29 pm)

Regarding the internal hiring bulletin for Falls Church/Woodlawn, since it closes today I just want to make my usual post. If anyone hears anything, can you please let us know? I am curious how many people they are hiring. It didn't give the usual, "Few vacancies, many jobs" language, so hopefully, it's a lot of people.

I still haven't heard from Louisville, and will check in with them next week.

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jdmaryland (Aug 4, 2017 - 5:09 pm)

I have an interview set up for Woodlawn next week. They said they will be doing interviews over the next two weeks. Also, the opening closes on the 7th.

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kramer716 (Aug 4, 2017 - 5:41 pm)

My apologies, I confused that opening with another one I applied for that closes on the 4th.

If you don't mind me asking, how were you notified of the interview? Did they email you or did they call you?

Also, is this an in-person interview or telephonic? Thank you very much in advance

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jdmaryland (Aug 4, 2017 - 5:46 pm)

I was notified via phone. It's an in person interview. I'm local enough, however, so I'm sure it's possible they are offering telephone interviews as well.

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kramer716 (Aug 4, 2017 - 5:52 pm)

I am wondering if they are aiming for local candidates, so they can start up the new class immediately. I may have to roll the dice and send a follow-up email. I am in Buffalo, so can get to Baltimore or Fall Church with relative ease. Thank you for the answers

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jdmaryland (Aug 4, 2017 - 5:58 pm)

You're welcome. I'll let you know if I hear anything else.

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kramer716 (Aug 4, 2017 - 5:59 pm)

Appreciate it. Have a good weekend.

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kramer716 (Aug 7, 2017 - 4:37 pm)

Just curious if anyone heard from the Louisville opening. Forgot to post this last week, but this is what I received from the hiring contact.

"Thank you for applying for the Attorney Advisor (NCAC) position in Louisville KY. I am in receipt of the documents you uploaded to USAJOBS. We are currently qualifying all applicants who applied for the Attorney Advisor position. Once we have completed the review, applicants will be notified via email.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions."

The one thing that I noticed here is the fact that he said they will email once they have completed the review, and not call. Anyway, if anyone has an update then would appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

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kramer716 (Aug 9, 2017 - 9:19 am)

I received a referral for the St. Louis opening but they apparently only have one opening, so would say the math is against me. I do hope to get an interview, though.

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jdmaryland (Aug 9, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

The deadline for the AA position with NCAC at falls church or Woodlawn has been extended to Aug 14.

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kramer716 (Aug 9, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

Thank you. I hope to be interviewed, but I still haven't heard anything from them. I would love to stay on east coast, but will happily go anywhere in the country.

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kramer716 (Aug 9, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

DId you get a sense as to how many people they are hiring?

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silvere2 (Aug 9, 2017 - 3:55 pm)

Given that the Woodlawn and Falls Church deadlines have been extended, would someone be so kind as to email them to me at silvere22222@gmail.com? Thank you!

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politicalgirl2017 (Aug 9, 2017 - 8:56 pm)

I would also like to receive that email at cbsdsu2003@yahoo.com. Thanks!

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politicalgirl2017 (Aug 10, 2017 - 5:14 pm)

I received it. Thanks so much!

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lowry44 (Aug 11, 2017 - 11:06 am)

If there has been a new announcement with the extended date, if someone would be so kind as to send it to jlowry4400@gmail.com, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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jdmaryland (Aug 11, 2017 - 11:11 am)

You can use the same announcement. Date is extended to 8/14

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oddis500 (Aug 11, 2017 - 6:59 pm)

FYI, they are interviewing for the opening in Richmond on Monday.

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downwardslope (Aug 11, 2017 - 7:49 pm)

The ad I read for that said it is continuous and they will be hiring for a while. It is literally posted almost every day on my law school website and my law school is nowhere near Richmond.

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oddis500 (Aug 11, 2017 - 8:08 pm)

I honestly can't imagine anyone wanting to work in Richmond, CA. And moving there for a two year gig seems insane. BUT if you wanted to move to the Bay Area (for some reason) I guess it would be a good way for a new attorney to get some experience and get established on the West Coast.

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kramer716 (Aug 13, 2017 - 1:20 pm)

I would go to Richmond, but since they are interviewing and I haven't heard anything I assume I am out.

My knowledge of Richmond< CA is limited to that cinematic masterpiece known as Coach Carter, and that movie made it seem like a war zone. Having said that when I checked apartment listings, the damn place is more expensive than DC. I know San Fran is probably the most expensive city in the country, but I was thinking Richmond was going to be a bit cheaper due to various factors. Anyway, looks like I am out of the running for that place. Hopefully, Cleveland, Louisville, Falls Church, or Baltimore hits

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htt4life (Aug 19, 2017 - 7:00 am)

Bro/muchacha, i see you've applied all over the US, is your current job that bad? What do you do? I hope you get an offer! In work for the NHC and I love it.

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htt4life (Aug 19, 2017 - 7:02 am)

Bro/muchacha, i see you've applied all over the US, is your current job that bad? What do you do? I hope you get an offer! I work for the NHC and I love it.

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jdmaryland (Aug 19, 2017 - 8:32 am)

Do you have any opinions on working at NHC vs NCAC vs a hearing office?

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downwardslope (Aug 19, 2017 - 8:59 am)

The main difference among the three is as follows:

NHC- you are assigned one judge, which can be hit or miss. If you like your judge, it will be awesome. If you dislike your judge, it will be a nightmare. Since this is a national hearing office, you will have to know about the acquiescence rulings in all the circuits. I believe they do rotate judges every 1-2 years like you would do in a judicial clerkship, so if it is awful, it is not like it is eternal.

Hearing Office- you work for the judges in your own office. There are usually anywhere between 6 and 20 depending on your office size. You are probably the most likely to get your own office in the hearing office, although this is not guaranteed. You will get to know your judges' styles and which are good and/or bad. I am in a hearing office and we have a mix of good/awful. Usually you will just need to know about the acquiescence rulings in one circuit, although it depends on your office. I am still new and have done cases for 5 states and 3 circuits in my office. It just depends on who needs help and how many video hearing rooms the office has. I know in my office the head ALJ wishes people would communicate more with the judges. I think the NHC facilitates more of that since there is only one judge per person. I am in more of a starter office, since it is not in the "best" area of town where the high income earners like the ALJs want to live. A lot of judges come, do their time, and transfer to their desired offices when they can. The old hats who have been there a while and want to stay are pretty chatty, but the new people are a) stressed and b) not necessarily as approachable.

NCAC/RCAC- You are assigned to help with cases all over the region/state. You won't know about the judges and will definitely be learning about the different circuits. I think they are all in cubicles, but I am not sure. I think these offices tend to have the highest turnover because you can't meet face to face with any judge and really don't know who is going to be a "problem" judge. It takes a while to get used to each judge's instructions if you are not familiar with his/her style, so I think that can make it more challenging on your productivity. At least in a HO, if you see awful instructions judge 1 or illegible handwriting judge 2, you can pace your work accordingly.

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oddis500 (Aug 13, 2017 - 2:28 pm)

That'a one of the crazy things about California. The cost of living is insane, even in places like Richmond which aren't worth living in. I can't wait to move back East/South. I was more than willing to take a major pay cut to leave. The SSA jobs may not be great, but I'd happily trade a better job for a better life.

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kramer716 (Aug 14, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

I just checked in with the Louisville office, and they replied. The contact said the list was made and sent to the hiring manager, and any further contact would come from him.

Don't know if they are allowed to say anything besides that, but it sounds like I am out there. I hope I am wrong, but we shall see.

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oddis500 (Aug 14, 2017 - 3:33 pm)

Ugh, sorry to hear that. Have we heard of anyone actually being offered a job, accepting it, and getting a start date? For any posting?

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kramer716 (Aug 14, 2017 - 3:41 pm)

Don't think so with this group of listings, but there were a ton of jobs listed in March, and Downward was offered a position in Chicago.

I don't really know if I have no shot with Louisville, but if I am playing the odds I would say I am probably out.

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downwardslope (Aug 14, 2017 - 5:28 pm)

My impression is that some of these newer job postings have even more ridiculous hiring timeframes than the Midwest March postings did, so they are hard pressed to even get the jobs filled. If they can get them reauthorized in the new fiscal year, we might see a lot more jobs re-posted. I heard that most offices are supposed to have 1.5-2 writers per judge and my office is just barely over 1:1 including our senior attorney. That isn't for lack of trying in my office, but they just can't get anyone to accept a job when it would require the person to give one week notice without knowing if they passed the fingerprint check.

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oddis500 (Aug 14, 2017 - 6:27 pm)

Thanks for the info. That is so frustrating if true. I was open with them during my interview that because of my trial schedule I couldn't start before September. I wish they would have just tole me then if that took me out of consideration (but since I already work for the Feds the background/fingerprint issue wouldn't apply). Hopefully another good opening in the South will come up during the fall. I really appreciate you keeping us in the loop downwardslpe.

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kramer716 (Aug 15, 2017 - 8:41 am)

Also, just sent a couple emails to the contact for the Falls Church/Woodlawn positions, and received no response. Hoping for a shot, but not holding my breath there.

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kramer716 (Aug 18, 2017 - 11:18 am)

Just an update for those who were referred to the St. Louis opening. I contacted the hiring contact for St. Louis and was told that there are no updates, but she said that I was one of over 50 that were sent to the hiring official for consideration, so figure your odds of being selected are about 2%.

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lawst (Aug 18, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

I phone interviewed for a Midwest position a few weeks back. Haven't heard anything. Does the SSA usually let you know if you're not selected?

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kramer716 (Aug 18, 2017 - 2:36 pm)

They don't seem to. I would call or email the contact they gave you when you were told you had an interview. For the most part, they have been good about getting back to me

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oddis500 (Aug 20, 2017 - 5:03 pm)

I don't think so. i interviewed for Hattiesburg over a month ago and never heard a peep. Pretty unprofessional for legal hiring honestly. I've got another interview for a different office this week, but so far the process is making me a bit leery of the whole organization.

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diblawyer (Aug 18, 2017 - 8:00 pm)

Albuquerque ODAR wrapped up interviews this week. They said they would be making offers ASAP... Sounded like this week or the next.

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kramer716 (Aug 21, 2017 - 12:23 pm)

I received an email saying I have been referred to the Richmond, CA opening. I am expecting to receive the rejection email in about two hours, but it's nice to receive some semblance of good news on Eclipse day.

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jdmaryland (Aug 21, 2017 - 12:34 pm)

Best of luck, Kramer!

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kramer716 (Aug 21, 2017 - 1:02 pm)

Appreciate it

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downwardslope (Aug 21, 2017 - 3:01 pm)

From the frequency of the posting in my law school symplicity, I think they are hiring tons of people. I can't imagine this location is popular due the cost.

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kramer716 (Aug 21, 2017 - 3:43 pm)

Yeah the cost is brutal, but I will bite that bullet if they pick me up. I hope you are correct. I know some people in Oakland, so wouldn't mind Richmond

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downwardslope (Aug 21, 2017 - 4:22 pm)

I have family in that area who told me GS-13 was around the minimum at which you could consider not having a roommate and still be in a reasonable

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oddis500 (Aug 21, 2017 - 8:10 pm)

I don't know how many slots Richmond plans of filling, but I know for a fact they are already conducting interviews last week (and calling references). Fwiw.

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kramer716 (Aug 21, 2017 - 8:16 pm)

Yeah, this is why I am not holding out hope. I thought it said few vacancies in the posting on USAJOBS, so don't think that many. The cons to the Richmond opening does seem to be the extremely high cost of living, so hopefully a bunch of people pass. I am solo at the moment, so I can live in a closet and be fine, if I had a family I wouldn't be able to do it.

I stand corrected. It does say they are looking fill many vacancies, so while I still think my chances are long I would say my odds are slightly better than I thought

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downwardslope (Aug 21, 2017 - 8:26 pm)

On my law school's symplicity, it said it would be conducting rolling interviews for a while, even after the USAJOBS listing was closed. We can assume the goal is to get people in a seat by 9/30, so ideally they want to interview and get offers out ASAP since there's no telling who is going to accept with the COL as it is in the Bay Area. I think the NCACs end up having a lot of turnover as people get off transfer lists to go into hearing offices or NHCs. It may have been that last week was the vet group and they are moving onto the non-vets now if they did not get enough bites.

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kramer716 (Aug 22, 2017 - 2:35 pm)

From the out of the blue category, I received a Notice of Results for the Hattiesburg office. It just said I am eligible for GS-9, GS-11, or GS-12. Nothing besides that, so no clue what that means. I thought my candidacy was dead, so we shall see. I am expecting a rejection letter shortly.

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oddis500 (Aug 22, 2017 - 8:19 pm)

I got the same thing. I'd say the fact that the end of the email encourages you to keep checking for future opportunities with the SSA can't be a good sign for us.

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kramer716 (Aug 22, 2017 - 8:58 pm)

The best thing about receiving that is they never tell you what city the job was for. They only give the vacancy announcement #, so you have to go through every SSA ad until you hit the right one. I won't lie. I was not expecting Hattiesburg. I was expecting Atlanta or Charlotte.

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oolong (Aug 22, 2017 - 6:08 pm)

I received a call from the Atlanta office wanting to schedule me for an interview. As I recently accepted another position I had to decline but just an FYI for anyone else waiting.

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kramer716 (Aug 22, 2017 - 6:53 pm)

Just out of curiosity, are you a veteran? The pattern seemed to be they were calling all the veterans first, so I am wondering if they have moved on to calling the non-veterans.

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oddis500 (Aug 22, 2017 - 8:27 pm)

Wow- is it possible that they are really just taking forever in some of these offices? There seems to have been no pattern whatsoever.

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kramer716 (Aug 22, 2017 - 8:42 pm)

It's the feds, so definitely possible. It would be nice to know if they are calling non-veterans now. I know that you are a vet, but it would be a good sign to know that spots are still open even after the first round of phone calls are made.

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oddis500 (Aug 22, 2017 - 9:13 pm)

Honestly, at this point, any information would be welcomed. It's been a cluster.

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cratercity (Aug 22, 2017 - 9:14 pm)

Not that this is "news" but, as kramer has said, that a lot of the offices are calling veterans first.. however, someone on the "inside" said this is a mind numbingly annoying process for several of the offices that he has first hand knowledge of to deal with as a lot of veterans blanket apply for SSA attorney advisor positions without any intent of ever accepting the positions and most of the times even interviews. they're just keeping their options open which is killing the efficiency..

i'm not sure how an office decides to/ is allowed to not use usajobs.gov and do their own postings since these positions are exempted... but you'd think if that was the case, they'd be doing it more often..

EDIT: I should note that this only applies to small offices that are usually an hour away from a decent city.. talking smaller than secondary haha

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oddis500 (Aug 22, 2017 - 10:13 pm)

Man if true that's sorry and I'm sorry to hear that. I know I've said it a million times, but if anyone hears anything about Hattiesburg please let us know.

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downwardslope (Aug 22, 2017 - 10:31 pm)

This process has been annoying for lots of offices. They're either stuck with these vet-only carts where they get vets that won't accept, or they are stuck with ridiculous start dates where they again get people who can't accept because they're expected to report to a new job that doesn't give them more than a week to put in notice and more than 9 or so days to move to a new location if that is needed. That is just not feasible for the vast majority of the population, even the more flexible population.

At this point, it is already nearing the end of August and they have to get people started by 9/30. If they haven't even started to call people for interviews yet, it's going to be another tight timeline, but still doable if they can get people interviewed next week and have offers out by the week after.

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jdmaryland (Aug 23, 2017 - 11:27 am)

I was told at an interview that people do not need to be in place by 9/30. One office was looking to onboard people in late oct/early nov and just have selections made by 9/30 or whatever the fiscal year is.

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oolong (Aug 23, 2017 - 8:42 am)

Hi. No I'm not a vet, never worked for Feds before either. Just applied on the usajobs site.

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kramer716 (Aug 23, 2017 - 9:34 am)

Appreciate it. To a T they were always contacting veterans first, so it is good to know that you got a phone call.

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oolong (Aug 23, 2017 - 2:40 pm)

FYI,
Newark Office called today to set up interview.

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kramer716 (Aug 23, 2017 - 2:43 pm)

Appreciate it. Won't lie. Didn't know Newark was hiring:)

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oolong (Aug 23, 2017 - 3:16 pm)

Yeah and I can't tell you where I applied to them from. I checked usajobs and there's nothing there with that office. Checked my school's simplicity and my sent e-mails and nothing there either. I did apply to the NY office through a regular e-mail (it wasn't posted on usajobs or on simplicity, rather someone reached out based on an old application I had submitted saying they was hiring again) so not sure if that's how it happened.

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kramer716 (Aug 23, 2017 - 7:00 pm)

I did receive an email asking to schedule an interview for the Richmond office. I know the place is expensive as hell, but it's a start, assuming I receive an offer. If anyone else received the email, good luck with your interview.

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downwardslope (Aug 23, 2017 - 7:08 pm)

Finally! I hope it works out for you. I think either the NHCs or NCACs are already at telecommuting 4 days a week, so once you suffer through a year probation you wouldn't necessarily have to worry about that and could leave somewhere farther away. You can also get on the transfer list to somewhere else, which I imagine is the most popular option.

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kramer716 (Aug 23, 2017 - 7:14 pm)

I appreciate your help with all this. I am in celebration mode, so once that wears off I may pick everyone's brain on here about the interview.

If I get the job, and if you ever head out to the town that Coach Carter built, or San Fran or Oakland, I owe you lunch.

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oddis500 (Aug 23, 2017 - 8:01 pm)

Yay! So glad to hear this! If you get it let me know, I live in the East Bay and can maybe give you some info on where to look. Sending lots of luck your way!

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kramer716 (Aug 23, 2017 - 8:06 pm)

I appreciate it. I will definitely be picking your brain if I receive an offer. Hopefully, Hattiesburg picks you up.

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brownbear (Aug 23, 2017 - 10:12 pm)

Congrats!

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kramer716 (Aug 24, 2017 - 9:19 am)

Thank you.

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oolong (Aug 24, 2017 - 10:13 am)

The Federal soup forum used to be pretty good with info about interviews. You may want to check there as well.

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oddis500 (Aug 24, 2017 - 5:47 pm)

Thanks! I'd take anything in the South honestly. I've given up on Hattiesburg (been well over a month since I've interviewed). If Richmond is wanting to have their new hires start on 9/18, you should have a quick decision.

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jdmaryland (Aug 23, 2017 - 9:50 pm)

Congrats!!

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kramer716 (Aug 24, 2017 - 9:20 am)

Thank you

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cratercity (Aug 23, 2017 - 10:33 pm)

Congrats! I know this has been a long road. Hopefully the interview fares well!

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kramer716 (Aug 24, 2017 - 9:21 am)

Agreed. Knocking on wood now.

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downwardslope (Aug 24, 2017 - 9:35 am)

Try out Glassdoor for interview help. It can be accurate but not for all offices.

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kramer716 (Aug 25, 2017 - 9:06 am)

Prepping for the interview, but to give an update. Received a notice of results for the Tampa office. It said I was eligible across the board, and I received the rejection about 20 minutes later. Ah consistency.

I will be checking out Glassdoor.

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downwardslope (Aug 25, 2017 - 10:22 am)

I am sure that office is insanely popular. I know St. Pete is. Someone might have applied who was already with SSA.

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oddis500 (Aug 25, 2017 - 10:50 am)

I received the rejection saying that I hadn't provided all the documents- used the exact same documents I've used for every one lol. I honestly think they are just making this process up as they go, and it varies from office to office.

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kramer716 (Aug 25, 2017 - 11:31 am)

IF you didn't use it for this one I would use their resume builder. There were a ton of openings in March and they told me the same thing for about 90% of them. I used a resume I created for those. I switched to the resume builder for these openings, and I was still not referred for 90% of them, but I wasn't rejected out of hand. They at least said I was eligible.

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cratercity (Aug 26, 2017 - 11:21 am)

My simplicity just told me that Falls Church and Woodlawn were extended until Aug 28... I guess all isn’t well in paradise after all

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cratercity (Aug 26, 2017 - 2:02 pm)

EDIT: I’m an idiot, disregard.. old news lol I didn’t even realize what today was...

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kramer716 (Sep 7, 2017 - 2:26 pm)

Just received a notice of results and referral status for the Hattiesburg SSA position. I was found eligible for GS9 through GS=12, but I wasn't referred so the tradition continues.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 2:29 pm)

Did they list a reason? That's only happened to me once, for a contract specialist job, I was eligible but the position was going to a veteran.

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downwardslope (Sep 7, 2017 - 8:29 pm)

Could be worse. Sometimes they do an interview AND a reference check and it goes to a veteran. Been there, done that. I mean I understand they probably have to interview at least a certain number of candidates but they don't have to reference check.

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oddis500 (Sep 7, 2017 - 8:14 pm)

Yea they are sending these "referral" letters after they've already made an offer. Why I have no idea. I hate it because I really wanted that spot. Oh well, let's hope we get good news soon.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

For those applying for federal attorney jobs, have you ever gotten a disqualification from them saying you couldn't prove you were a member of the bar? I've had this happen to me twice now for attorney jobs. With each application I send on USAJOBS I include a scan of my Bar ID, and my resume lists both of my bar memberships, yet they still say I didn't prove i was a member of the bar. They leave an email address where you can "challenge this" and I again send them by bar ID, and mention the other bar I'm a member of, and I never hear back and my status on USAJOBS isn't changed.

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kramer716 (Sep 7, 2017 - 2:37 pm)

They didn't list a reason, but odds are it was because I didn't receive veterans' preferences.

For proving you are a member of the bar, you may just want to take a screenshot of the page that says you are admitted on your state bar website. I haven't had an issue with showing a copy of my bar card, but they also recommend taking that screenshot.

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govlaw (Sep 7, 2017 - 2:38 pm)

Does your ID have a date on it? I use a screenshot of my web profile with the time and date on it. In the past, I also used a dated letter from the Bar.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 3:05 pm)

No, it doesn't list a date, but I followed your suggesting and made a screen cap of my other bar registration page.

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downwardslope (Sep 7, 2017 - 4:08 pm)

Yes I just do that or order a certified letter from the bar every 3-4 months.

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kramer716 (Sep 14, 2017 - 9:58 am)

I received the "You are eligible, but you haven't been referred" for the Lexington opening. It looks like they are getting around to doing the rejection letters.

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oddis500 (Sep 14, 2017 - 10:16 am)

It's about time. Worst agency I've ever seen as far as the hiring process.

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downwardslope (Sep 14, 2017 - 10:54 am)

Clearly you have not applied to the DOT. It is a black hole. Nothing happens. The app sits at received forever.

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kramer716 (Sep 14, 2017 - 11:58 am)

I don't think this is an agency wide issue. I think it's the region that these jobs are in. There were a ton of openings back in March that I applied for. They got everything out by March 31st, and these jobs were everywhere except the South.

This round of openings were all in region IV I think it is, not sure of the number but it's the region Atlanta is in. They seem to be taking their time getting back to us. It would be nice if there was more consistency with their HR guidelines.

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downwardslope (Sep 14, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

I interviewed in the Atlanta region in 2010 and never heard a thing. It was annoying.

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diblawyer (Sep 14, 2017 - 4:10 pm)

I live in Atlanta and I didn't even get a call back. My knowledge of the hiring process says it's because I do not live in Cali... smh.

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cratercity (Sep 14, 2017 - 6:25 pm)

I got the same thing for my market today. Not referred because I wasn't a veteran, yadda yadda. Region IV nonetheless.I presume that means all hope is gone at this point?

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kramer716 (Sep 14, 2017 - 8:46 pm)

For planning purposes, I would say assume you have no shot, but I guess you can never say never. I did receive a call out of the blue regarding Albuquerque a few weeks ago asking if I was still interested, but then I heard jack after that. So, they will call you out of the blue on occasion but that doesn't mean much. Good luck in your search.

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cratercity (Sep 14, 2017 - 9:22 pm)

Thanks, good luck in yours as well. I know it’s been a long road. It shouldn’t be this tumultuous of a process

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oddis500 (Sep 15, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

I'm not sure which is worse- I've interviewed for multiple of these and then hear nothing. At least you guys aren't going through the dog and pony show and then hearing crickets.

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kramer716 (Sep 15, 2017 - 4:03 pm)

This is true. Getting your hopes up and then taking the rug out from under you is probably worse. Not hearing anything isn't really painful, it is just frustrating. Not getting the Richmond job hurt because of the interview, and because I thought I did well.

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oddis500 (Sep 15, 2017 - 4:11 pm)

It's honestly such a huge crap shoot at this point. They get hundreds if not thousands of applications for every opening. Really everything has to go right for this to work out it seems, and I'm already a Fed attorney. And it's still very difficult. The market is just insane these days.

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kramer716 (Sep 15, 2017 - 5:06 pm)

Yeah the market sucks. I found a couple jobs in WV and PA and wouldn't mind if one of those hits. They will be in a smaller market, but I can adapt.

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