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Smaller Secondary Market SSA Positions

I know there was a massive SSA thread a little while back so mrtor06/15/17
They hire through law school postings or other job boards. H downwardslope06/15/17
Before I went out to Guam, I found an SSA listing on Monster kramer71606/15/17
They advertise all over, but it seems bizarre. Like there ma downwardslope06/15/17
There was a mass hiring binge a couple of months ago on USAJ kramer71606/15/17
So--- most do not hire through USAJobs, but the unions compl downwardslope06/15/17
How long did it take to start seeing your applications revie mrtor06/19/17
It usually takes a few weeks. There are several more posting downwardslope06/19/17
Thank you for the tip regarding new announcements. IT seems kramer71606/19/17
Tons of attorney advisor postings just went up today: Charlo killself12306/19/17
Thank you very much. I applied for Charlotte, Atlanta, Hatti kramer71606/19/17
I'm a current SSA employee and would be happy to answer any killself12306/19/17
How was the hiring process for you? Was there a long time la kramer71606/19/17
My understanding is that it is either very fast or 6+ months downwardslope06/19/17
Knock on wood regarding the fast part. I will go anywhere, s kramer71606/19/17
No. That was in person. I was local. They had one non-local downwardslope06/19/17
No worries. I will happily go to Charlotte, Hattiesburg, Lex kramer71606/19/17
Did you do the usajobs resume? downwardslope06/19/17
I did. I learned my lesson after the ass kicking I received kramer71606/19/17
I meant $90 mil... typo there. Kramer- training is around 3 downwardslope06/19/17
Thank you. I appreciate everyone's advice/assistance with th kramer71606/19/17
Usually there is a nationwide training for the 3-week one bu downwardslope06/19/17
Thank you again. If they do it regionally I would assume the kramer71606/19/17
They do a national. It doesn't seem to have a rhyme or reaso downwardslope06/19/17
Interesting. Where was yours? Did you do an extended stay ho kramer71606/19/17
You don't pay for anything, don't worry. I went to St. Louis downwardslope06/19/17
Interesting. I am curious what the logic is regarding where kramer71606/20/17
I just started this year. I think they are hiring lots more downwardslope06/22/17
For some reason, I thought I saw you had been there for year kramer71606/22/17
I have interviewed multiple times. I did not get hired in 20 downwardslope06/22/17
Gotcha. Your pattern, well except for the getting hired part kramer71606/22/17
It was actually relatively quickly because it was the end of killself12306/19/17
Also, it was in person. killself12306/19/17
I appreciate it. What city are you in? If you don't want to kramer71606/19/17
NYC area killself12306/19/17
Nice. I am in Upstate NY at the moment, although opposite en kramer71606/19/17
Best of luck. It's a decent place to work. The workload can killself12306/19/17
Thank you. I would love the opportunity to work there. At my kramer71606/19/17
Just curious if anyone else applied for the SSA openings in kramer71606/26/17
I applied for one in central IL in mid-June. Application sho mrtor06/26/17
Damn, missed that one. Where was it in IL? Springfield? Good kramer71606/26/17
Not referred. Insufficient documentation of my license statu mrtor06/26/17
My sympathies. Call them up and yell. I sent a picture of my kramer71606/26/17
They just sent out a notice. Apparently the "new" hiring sys mrtor06/28/17
For those of you who were referred in the past, do you need mrtor06/28/17
No undergrad needed. I have an official electronic transcrip downwardslope06/28/17
Anyone heard anything further? They briefly re-opened the li mrtor07/05/17
Nope. Not yet. I would hope this week or early next week. kramer71607/05/17
Double. mrtor07/05/17
There is another posting today in Tampa for anyone intereste downwardslope07/10/17
Thank you. Wonder if more will be posted from that region. I kramer71607/10/17
No word on this end either. mrtor07/11/17
I am going to give them a month before I start emailing the kramer71607/11/17
Looks like someone has heard back: http://top-law-schools kenosis07/12/17
Thank you. I am curious which office picked them up. They ha kramer71607/12/17
Also curious. kenosis07/12/17
2-year terms are for people who are in jobs not posted on us downwardslope07/12/17
Thank you. I hope I hit one of the jobs down south, so would kramer71607/12/17
I think we had those in my area. The offers are out now. It downwardslope07/12/17
Just to be clear, you mean the offers are out for the jobs t kramer71607/12/17
I imagine if it is through USAJOBS, you should get a referra downwardslope07/12/17
I had an interview for the Falls Church location about two w esquire201407/13/17
Thank you both for the information. I will take a rejection kramer71607/13/17
I would like to know the same. When I was initially rejected mrtor07/13/17
Yeah, I am going to be writing a few emails today trying to kramer71607/13/17
Have you gotten responses? I was initially kicked as a resul mrtor07/13/17
It will probably be tomorrow or early next week if I get a r kramer71607/13/17
Just a quick question. When you said Falls Church, by any ch kramer71607/13/17
Falls Church was the Alexandria one. Sorry for the confusion esquire201407/13/17
No worries. My only regret is if I knew that I had no shot I kramer71607/13/17
Thank you!Do you have the job alert set up on USAJOBS? Ch esquire201407/13/17
I am applying for the jobs, but for the recent postings, I h kramer71607/13/17
I interviewed with the Atlanta region in the past and it was downwardslope07/13/17
Ah. I will, would?, have taken any of those openings. I figu kramer71607/13/17
It is frustrating. I applied to something like 200 fed jobs downwardslope07/13/17
https://www.fdic.gov/about/legalhon ors/index.html esquire201407/13/17
Just to give a quick update. I sent off an email to the Alex kramer71607/13/17
Thanks for looking into it. kenosis07/13/17
No worries. Hope I am wrong about the blow-off thing kramer71607/13/17
Received an email from the hiring contact handling the Hatti kramer71607/13/17
Morning All, I was contacted for interviews from the foll esquire201407/14/17
Out of curiosity, are you a vet? Did you receive veteran's p kramer71607/14/17
Yes, I'm a proud veteran. I think the position was for "All esquire201407/14/17
They post it for all US citizens, but they rate everyone's a kramer71607/14/17
The rules do not apply for excepted service like they do for downwardslope07/14/17
Take this for what it's worth, but received another reply fr kramer71607/14/17
That sounds right. That may be the case for positions that a downwardslope07/14/17
I take it as not great news, but better news. I thought my c kramer71607/14/17
Did they have a veoa cert? They can always do that as well. downwardslope07/14/17
Either way it looks like there was one in Louisville and an downwardslope07/14/17
I think they have a veoa cert. I saw the Louisville one as w kramer71607/14/17
Anybody hear anything about Hattiesburg or Tampa? oddis50007/16/17
They started making calls for Hattiesburg to set up intervie kramer71607/17/17
Hm. Are we sure about the veteran thing? Because I am a vete oddis50007/17/17
I am basing it on what I was told. I emailed the HR contact kramer71607/17/17
Just received a referral for the Alexandria office. Would lo kramer71607/18/17
I just received a referral for that office too. However, I i esquire201407/18/17
If they stopped interviewing on July 3rd, then I would be di kramer71607/18/17
I just remember the ALJ saying that when he called to schedu esquire201407/18/17
No worries. It wouldn't surprise me, but hope you are wrong. kramer71607/18/17
Just keep in mind that if they do a vet cert, they may only downwardslope07/18/17
Received a T.O. from Alexandria about 1.5 hours after being esquire201407/18/17
Nice. Congratulations. Wonder if they will give me the rejec kramer71607/18/17
Did they give you a start date? esq2407/18/17
I will probably turn the position down because I have alread esquire201407/19/17
I'd really like to move to Tampa or Hattiesburg. But I'd set oddis50007/18/17
Didn't Tampa just close last week? I am sure they have not d downwardslope07/19/17
Same. I will move anywhere if there is a job. I have no ties kramer71607/19/17
There were a few new posts today in Florence, Birmingham, an downwardslope07/19/17
I found the Florence and Birmingham ones, but will have to d kramer71607/19/17
Many offices hire people who were legal assistants, in claim downwardslope07/19/17
Just applied for St. Louis. They only have a 3-day window an kramer71607/19/17
Yea it's probably still early for Tampa, so hopefully you ar oddis50007/19/17
It seems to be within 1-2 weeks that HR reviews the selectio downwardslope07/19/17
I interviewed on June 23, 2017 and received an offer on July esquire201407/19/17
Ok thanks for the info guys oddis50007/19/17
Just got a message from the Albuquerque office, and I applie kramer71607/20/17
I know someone else who got the call but has as many details downwardslope07/20/17
Still waiting on the return call. I would have no issue with kramer71607/20/17
Just got the call. It looks like it doesn't mean much. They kramer71607/20/17
Sure it does! It means you are still under consideration. Th oddis50007/20/17
I appreciate the vote of confidence. It would be awesome to kramer71607/21/17
Looks like the non-referral for lack of vet pref emails have downwardslope07/21/17
I did receive a rejection for the Raleigh opening, but no ot kramer71607/21/17
Yep, I got the Raleigh rejection email too. tenthsgirl07/21/17
I do appreciate the fact that they at least gave out a reaso kramer71607/21/17
Why would you even consider applying for a federal job witho sanka07/21/17
Just the scratchers kramer71607/21/17
I didn't realize that it is extremely unlikely that you'll g kenosis07/21/17
It does seem like it's a pretty big obstacle, but having sai kramer71607/21/17
Most attorney positions do not use vet preference since it i downwardslope07/21/17
Fair enough. My experience with the Feds is limited to apply kramer71607/21/17
On an unrelated note, I still have only received a did not r kramer71607/21/17
Has anyone interviewed for Hattiesburg? oddis50007/21/17
I think someone above said he was offered a Hattiesburg inte downwardslope07/22/17
Ok thanks! oddis50007/22/17

mrtor (Jun 15, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I know there was a massive SSA thread a little while back so I am hoping to draw upon the collective knowledge and wisdom of those who have already been through the process. Can any of you comment on the hiring process for attorney advisors for smaller markets (300k metro area)? How quickly can you expect to hear back? Are we talking days? Weeks? Months?

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downwardslope (Jun 15, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

They hire through law school postings or other job boards. How fast it is depends on how long it takes to hire. It can take a few weeks or 9 months depending on the urgency. Now it is more urgent so I would guess it would be quicker. If they hire through law school/jobsites other than usajobs, it is usually to speed up the process, but those are term appointments.

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kramer716 (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

Before I went out to Guam, I found an SSA listing on Monster. This was 2008. I sent my stuff in, and the next day they emailed me for an interview. The position was in Baltimore. I didn't get it, hence Guam, but that was the only time I have ever seen an SSA position not advertised on USAJOBS. It is good to know that they advertise in other places, still.

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downwardslope (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:30 pm)

They advertise all over, but it seems bizarre. Like there may be one in your town but you hear about one 50 miles away and not that one because the one in your town might only post on one law school's website. My 2010 interview was from a posting from a local law school that a friend sent. I assume that is where they post today but since I did not go there I would never see it. I know of one town where all the new hires went to one law school. It is not the best in that town or the only in that town.

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kramer716 (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:54 pm)

There was a mass hiring binge a couple of months ago on USAJOBS. I think the smallest towns I saw on there were Orland Park, IL and Lansing, MI.

They just posted an ad for Alexandria, but I think that lasted an hour or so before they reached their quota. Anyway, would love to see some jobs advertised on MSU's site.

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downwardslope (Jun 15, 2017 - 6:02 pm)

So--- most do not hire through USAJobs, but the unions complain about it because then you end up with say everyone in the Raleigh, NC office being from UNC and they have to know to go on there to look. They just post to like one law school and call it a day. I think SSA got 90 billion to reduce the backlog so there should be money for another set of hires soon.

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mrtor (Jun 19, 2017 - 8:04 am)

How long did it take to start seeing your applications reviewed/referred after the listing closed?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 8:24 am)

It usually takes a few weeks. There are several more postings today although it says they are limited to "attorney advisors" whatever that means. It does not look limited to current employees since it starts at gs-9.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 9:51 am)

Thank you for the tip regarding new announcements. IT seems there is a hiring trend in the south.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 11:59 am)

Tons of attorney advisor postings just went up today: Charlotte, Atlanta, Lexington Kentucky, Hattiesburg, and Raleigh.

Good luck!

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

Thank you very much. I applied for Charlotte, Atlanta, Hattiesburg, and Raleigh. I missed Lexington, so will apply there now.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 12:01 pm)

I'm a current SSA employee and would be happy to answer any questions.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 12:47 pm)

How was the hiring process for you? Was there a long time lag from when you applied until you were interviewed or was it pretty quick?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:14 pm)

My understanding is that it is either very fast or 6+ months. This is a 90 bil appropriation that I assume they need to use this FY. It should be fast. They have to do detailed reporting to the legislature as to how the money is used, so if they are not moving along, it will look really bad.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

Knock on wood regarding the fast part. I will go anywhere, so if the Barrow AK office is hiring. Let's rock and roll.

Sorry, I missed your earlier post re: the 2010 interview. Did you do that over the phone?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

No. That was in person. I was local. They had one non-local person via phone though.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

No worries. I will happily go to Charlotte, Hattiesburg, Lexington, Raleigh, or Atlanta. Hell, not to beat the Alaska horse again, but if it's in Nome. I will head up to Nome.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

Did you do the usajobs resume?

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:48 pm)

I did. I learned my lesson after the ass kicking I received during the last go round with SSA hiring.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:58 pm)

I meant $90 mil... typo there. Kramer- training is around 3 weeks for official and then there is additional unofficial training through a local office and a mentor.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

Thank you. I appreciate everyone's advice/assistance with this.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 3:14 pm)

Usually there is a nationwide training for the 3-week one but I think NYC area offices have their own. Otherwise it depends on the time of year and expense of the training locations as to where you go and how long you go, I think. People have gone to Baltimore, KC, StL, Falls Church, and Seattle in the past.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 3:16 pm)

Thank you again. If they do it regionally I would assume the training would be in Atlanta, but a national training would be interesting.

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 5:12 pm)

They do a national. It doesn't seem to have a rhyme or reason where you go other than price of getting to the destination and hotel costs. You may be with people from different regions. The local depends on how they want to set it up. It may be with several offices in a local area or region.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 5:15 pm)

Interesting. Where was yours? Did you do an extended stay hotel, and did it kill you cost wise?

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downwardslope (Jun 19, 2017 - 8:51 pm)

You don't pay for anything, don't worry. I went to St. Louis. Basically they give you almost no notice... it is a great setup. It is pretty much "your training starts next week, oh and you can't miss any days" so most people end up having to miss because that's not realistic. I think if people have to miss the national portion and there is another national training, they may try to reassign you, but otherwise you can just make up the non-national portion. The national portion is only a week now, down from 2-3 weeks.

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kramer716 (Jun 20, 2017 - 9:17 am)

Interesting. I am curious what the logic is regarding where they hold the training, but I am more than willing to go wherever. Are you still with the SSA?

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downwardslope (Jun 22, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

I just started this year. I think they are hiring lots more though. We think it will be by 9/30 so I assume the postings will go up soon. I was told they are supposed to have 1.5 writers per judge and my office is barely squeaking in at 1:1 with the senior attorney. That is after a judge transferred. There has essentially been a freeze for several years with few hires outside of the case assistance centers/hearing centers. Almost everyone in my office was hired at the beginning term of the Obama administration. I heard that from several other new hires as well.

I heard they are trying to do 300 ALJs in one year in 2 groups instead of the usual 150 they had been doing the past couple of years.

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kramer716 (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

For some reason, I thought I saw you had been there for years. Did we talk before on that other thread? I will have to go back and check. If so, I am guessing you are in the Chicago office since that was the one that seemed to be hiring. Anyway, I will shut up. I have applications out to all the recent postings, so VA, NC, MS, and GA and hopefully one of those hits.

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downwardslope (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:52 pm)

I have interviewed multiple times. I did not get hired in 2010 and got hired by a state agency instead where I have worked in the interim.

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kramer716 (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:46 pm)

Gotcha. Your pattern, well except for the getting hired part, is similar to mine. I was interviewed to work in their main office back in 09 and wasn't picked up, so worked for an AG's office in the interim. Hopefully, I get picked up this go around.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:50 pm)

It was actually relatively quickly because it was the end of the fiscal year, so they were trying to get in hires. I think the entire process took about a month - may be different from other people's experiences here.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:52 pm)

Also, it was in person.

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 1:55 pm)

I appreciate it. What city are you in? If you don't want to say the city, then what state?

My experience was with the VA, but it's skewed because of the GD hiring freeze, so I didn't get a rejection until March when I interviewed in December.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

NYC area

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

Nice. I am in Upstate NY at the moment, although opposite end of the state from you.

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killself123 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

Best of luck. It's a decent place to work. The workload can get tedious, but the hours are great. Decent pay, good benefits, and lots of vacation time!

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kramer716 (Jun 19, 2017 - 2:34 pm)

Thank you. I would love the opportunity to work there. At my last job I handled child support cases which tend to ratchet up the drama, so I will take tedious.

How long was your training? Do you get a month shadowing someone, and then they dump you in the pool?

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kramer716 (Jun 26, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

Just curious if anyone else applied for the SSA openings in Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Lexington, or Hattiesburg. If you did, then would you please post if you hear anything, and I will do the same. Good luck to anyone who applied.

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mrtor (Jun 26, 2017 - 3:21 pm)

I applied for one in central IL in mid-June. Application shows "received" with no change since I applied.

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kramer716 (Jun 26, 2017 - 3:22 pm)

Damn, missed that one. Where was it in IL? Springfield? Good luck and thank you for the update.

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mrtor (Jun 26, 2017 - 6:15 pm)

Not referred. Insufficient documentation of my license status? The application instructions said a screenshot of your ARDC page showing active status was sufficient. At least get me on something substantive.

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kramer716 (Jun 26, 2017 - 7:44 pm)

My sympathies. Call them up and yell. I sent a picture of my bar card, so hopefully that works for them

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mrtor (Jun 28, 2017 - 9:14 am)

They just sent out a notice. Apparently the "new" hiring system is having technical difficulties and previously rejected applicants can resumbit their materials by tomorrow. If you get dinged for insufficient documentation that you know you attached, contact them as soon as possible.

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mrtor (Jun 28, 2017 - 10:09 am)

For those of you who were referred in the past, do you need to submit law school AND undergraduate transcripts or is law school enough?

Edit: It appears unofficial transcripts are sufficient until selected, just want to make sure I don't get dinged if they prefer official ones upfront. Re "Applicants selected for the position must provide an official transcript(s) prior to being appointed."

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downwardslope (Jun 28, 2017 - 10:15 am)

No undergrad needed. I have an official electronic transcript so I have no idea whether unofficial is sufficient.

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mrtor (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:06 am)

Anyone heard anything further? They briefly re-opened the listing I had applied to in order to allow applicants to re-submit anything that the system excluded. I sent them a letter of good standing and a copy of my ARDC profile showing active status. Hopefully that's enough. I also made sure to fill out the USA Jobs resume this time instead of simply attaching a resume. With the Fourth behind us, they should make some headway soon.

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kramer716 (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:11 am)

Nope. Not yet. I would hope this week or early next week.

100% pure speculation, but would hope they want to get everything done so that people can start in August.

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mrtor (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:06 am)

Double.

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downwardslope (Jul 10, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

There is another posting today in Tampa for anyone interested.

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kramer716 (Jul 10, 2017 - 2:32 pm)

Thank you. Wonder if more will be posted from that region. I also hope that they give us a status report on the jobs posted a couple of weeks ago.

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mrtor (Jul 11, 2017 - 9:36 am)

No word on this end either.

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kramer716 (Jul 11, 2017 - 1:03 pm)

I am going to give them a month before I start emailing the contacts. There was a posting for Alexandria last month, so I will start there first to see if I can peg down a timeline.

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kenosis (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

Looks like someone has heard back:

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=279542

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kramer716 (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:39 pm)

Thank you. I am curious which office picked them up. They have been decent about getting out the rejection notices, and I haven't heard anything, so I am hoping that I still have a shot.

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kenosis (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

Also curious.

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

2-year terms are for people who are in jobs not posted on usajobs typically. From what I can gather, those were posted prior to the Atlanta ones.

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kramer716 (Jul 12, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Thank you. I hope I hit one of the jobs down south, so would be a bit depressed if the Atlanta ones are filled.

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2017 - 3:20 pm)

I think we had those in my area. The offers are out now. It seems like they had like a 2-month turnaround from posting to expected start date. There were some perm offered though in offices that had usajobs postings and I am not sure how those are progressing.

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kramer716 (Jul 12, 2017 - 3:30 pm)

Just to be clear, you mean the offers are out for the jobs that weren't offered on USAJOBS, and not the USAJOBS ones, the Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh openings.

If they stick to the two-month timeline, then they will fill the Atlanta area openings near the end of August. They have been good about bringing down the ax, so I would think if my application is no longer being considered they would have let me know by now. Ah well, all I can do is hope at this point.

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downwardslope (Jul 12, 2017 - 5:53 pm)

I imagine if it is through USAJOBS, you should get a referral. SSA is pretty good about that. As far as I know, the ones that are out were not on USAJOBS because they tend to be the two-year term positions. I just know that in my office they are filling many positions (from receptionist up through supervisory level) and there are only two people in the office who conduct the interviews, so that slows things down a bit. They only have a limited amount of time available to do the interviews even though they seem to be doing a few daily now. I think all of the HR offices are trying to sort through a mass of applications as well due to the $90 million given to reduce the backlog.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 8:22 am)

I had an interview for the Falls Church location about two weeks ago. Atlanta (including both NC locations) and Hattiesburg called me yesterday to schedule interviews for today and tomorrow. I turned down the interviews because I received an offer from another agency on yesterday.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 8:44 am)

Thank you both for the information. I will take a rejection at this point if I am referred. Don't have to interview me, just want to know my documents aren't being rejected out of hand. I won't lie. I am a bit frustrated at this point. Anyway, good luck with your new position.

One other question. Did they change your status at all, or did it stay received until you got the calls to be interviewed by Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. I applied, status said received, and it has stayed received. Before they at least said I wasn't referred, so I know I was rejected. Now they just keep me in the dark, apparently.

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mrtor (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:30 am)

I would like to know the same. When I was initially rejected for the technical glitch, I never even saw "reviewed" before it was "not referred." Not sure if "received" means you're still in the que, or if they can somehow review your application without changing over the status.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:41 am)

Yeah, I am going to be writing a few emails today trying to figure this crap out. I didn't want to bother anybody, but if they already set up the interviews, then nothing to lose now.

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mrtor (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:45 am)

Have you gotten responses? I was initially kicked as a result of a technical glitch not attaching certain documents, which evidently happened for a lot of the applicants. After my re-submission, I emailed the listed contact to see if he could at least confirm that all of the necessary documents went through this time. Nothing. Absolutely no response. It's been about two weeks since then and no change. I got kicked after ten days the first time.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 11:57 am)

It will probably be tomorrow or early next week if I get a response. If I do not, then I will probably try to call next week to get an answer.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:04 pm)

Just a quick question. When you said Falls Church, by any chance, did you mean Alexandria? I applied to Alexandria, and that job opening came out two weeks before the Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, etc. openings.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

Falls Church was the Alexandria one. Sorry for the confusion.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 3:43 pm)

No worries. My only regret is if I knew that I had no shot I wouldn't have been as nice in my email to them.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 9:27 am)

Thank you!Do you have the job alert set up on USAJOBS?

Check here for Navy positions: http://www.secnav.navy.mil/OGC/Lists/Vacancies2/Front.aspx

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 9:33 am)

I am applying for the jobs, but for the recent postings, I have not heard anything back. I sent my documents in; it says they received the documents, then crickets. Since the requirements for these SSA positions was admission to the bar I don't see why I would not be referred, not interviewed, just referred. With the previous SSA postings, they at least gave me bad news. This time around I heard nothing. Anyway, just me being frustrated. I will check into the Navy positions. Thank you again for your help.

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downwardslope (Jul 13, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

I interviewed with the Atlanta region in the past and it was only 4 years later that I learned why I did not get the position (from an SSA employee.) Apparently everyone internal applied to that office! I have a coworker with me now who wanted it as an internal and knows someone else who got it. I think they are just bad with notifications.

HHS also posts positions on their OGC site and you can sign up for emails. Some offices are good about sending rejections, but with all the turmoil recently with healthcare I have not gotten any emails for months.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:01 pm)

Ah. I will, would?, have taken any of those openings. I figured Atlanta was my best bet because they said "many locations" on the opening. The rest were few vacancies, except Raleigh which also had many vacancies.

I will still send out some follow-up emails today to the hiring contacts. If I am not getting picked up, and the odds are that isn't happening, then will do Doc review in Pittsburgh, but I don't want to have two leases if at all possible, so will try to get answers.

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downwardslope (Jul 13, 2017 - 5:50 pm)

It is frustrating. I applied to something like 200 fed jobs and had 4 interviews before having success. I have a friend who has been applying and had the same experience as you... no go with VA and no calls with SSA.

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esquire2014 (Jul 13, 2017 - 9:29 am)

https://www.fdic.gov/about/legalhonors/index.html

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:06 pm)

Just to give a quick update. I sent off an email to the Alexandria contact, and the reply was

"You will receive notification of your status once there has been an update. Thank you."

So sounds like a blow-off, but who the hell knows

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kenosis (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:09 pm)

Thanks for looking into it.

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 2:18 pm)

No worries. Hope I am wrong about the blow-off thing

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kramer716 (Jul 13, 2017 - 3:27 pm)

Received an email from the hiring contact handling the Hattiesburg opening.


"You will receive notification in email of any updates."

So pretty similar to the Alexandria contact. It looks like this is the standard line they will use to blow you off. We will probably get rejection emails tomorrow.

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esquire2014 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:17 am)

Morning All,

I was contacted for interviews from the following locations:

Alexandria (Falls Church)
Atlanta
Both NC locations
Lexington, KY
Hattiesburg, MS

My usajobs status still says "received."

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:25 am)

Out of curiosity, are you a vet? Did you receive veteran's preferences? If so, thank you for your service. I am wondering if they interview the vets first, and fill the slots. Then, go through and fill in with the non-vets.

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esquire2014 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:46 am)

Yes, I'm a proud veteran. I think the position was for "All US Citizens," but maybe they do consider Vets with current employees.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 10:57 am)

They post it for all US citizens, but they rate everyone's application, so we both probably have the same initial score of, let's say 100. You get the bonus points for being a vet, so your name will always be at the top of the list along with any other veterans who applied. So they will fill the spots with veterans first, then hopefully I can catch on with any of the remaining ones.

I take this as good news because I thought they were just blowing me off, but at least now, in theory, I still have a shot. They were just following protocol.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 11:32 am)

The rules do not apply for excepted service like they do for competitive service, although they certainly look at it as a factor. I have been interviewed for an attorney job on a military base with no experience although I am sure someone with experience was selected internally.

From what I have seen they do highly prefer people with some government experience, which should be good for you. It does not necessarily need to be current. There were people in my training group with a decade + of private sector experience.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:15 pm)

Take this for what it's worth, but received another reply from a hiring contact.

"A certificate has been issued for Preference Eligible Veterans first, once the list has been exhausted then we can then issue an non veteran list.

Once the system has been updated you will receive a notice.

Thank you for your interest in employment with our agency."

So just based on this, it appears that military veterans are given a preference, and that matches up with esquire's experience from what I can tell.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:28 pm)

That sounds right. That may be the case for positions that are part of a bargaining unit that it is part of the contract. They tend not to like the non usajobs postings since it is harder for older applicants to find them.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

I take it as not great news, but better news. I thought my chances were nil before, but now I at least have a shot. I may sound like Jim Carrey from "Dumb and Dumber," "So you're saying there's a chance" but I have a shot at least.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Did they have a veoa cert? They can always do that as well.

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downwardslope (Jul 14, 2017 - 5:43 pm)

Either way it looks like there was one in Louisville and an HHS posting today. I think Louisville had many vacancies although it looks like a temporary contract. From what I heard this week, the backlog is bigger than ever so I don't really think a small wave of hiring is going to put a huge dent to the extent that people will get laid off. People are starting to get worried about mandatory overtime.

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kramer716 (Jul 14, 2017 - 7:21 pm)

I think they have a veoa cert. I saw the Louisville one as well, and I applied.

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oddis500 (Jul 16, 2017 - 12:30 pm)

Anybody hear anything about Hattiesburg or Tampa?

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kramer716 (Jul 17, 2017 - 2:07 pm)

They started making calls for Hattiesburg to set up interviews, but they were only calling veterans apparently, hopefully, after they do that they will give us a status this week. Just to be clear, they go through the veterans list first, then do everyone else.

The Tamps job was just posted recently, and I don't think they have done anything yet on that one, but I don't know for sure.

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oddis500 (Jul 17, 2017 - 2:34 pm)

Hm. Are we sure about the veteran thing? Because I am a veteran. I got called for a couple of other offices but not these. Man, this seems really random lol.

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kramer716 (Jul 17, 2017 - 3:14 pm)

I am basing it on what I was told. I emailed the HR contact for the Atlanta opening, and she said they were going off the veterans list first, and then they will go through the other lists. There was a poster on here, Esquire 2014, who was apparently contacted for all the openings, so I asked if he was a veteran and he said he was, so I assumed the veteran thing is correct.

I could be wrong, but it seemed to check out.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:15 am)

Just received a referral for the Alexandria office. Would love to think this is good news, but have received referrals in the past, and then two hours later I received the rejection.

Also, the lesson to learn from my referral is this. You will probably have more success if you use the resume builder on USAJOBS.gov instead of using a copy of your resume. I did not get a referral for the positions that were in Baltimore and DC during the last round of recruiting when I sent a copy of my resume. I believe the same HR contact handled both openings, and the only thing I did differently was used the resume builder, so take that for what it's worth.

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esquire2014 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:45 am)

I just received a referral for that office too. However, I interviewed with that office on June 23, 2017 and their last interview was on July 3, 2017 because they wanted to hire by the end of July.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:50 am)

If they stopped interviewing on July 3rd, then I would be disappointed. I can start August 1st, so hopefully, they are still hiring. Anyway, the USAJOBS resume builder piece of advice still stands. I received mainly rejections during the last go round when I used my resume, but once I used the resume builder, I at least got referred. I may not be interviewed, but I got referred which is an improvement.

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esquire2014 (Jul 18, 2017 - 10:06 am)

I just remember the ALJ saying that when he called to schedule an interview last month.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 10:17 am)

No worries. It wouldn't surprise me, but hope you are wrong. At least I learned the best way to apply for these jobs now.

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downwardslope (Jul 18, 2017 - 11:10 am)

Just keep in mind that if they do a vet cert, they may only have a limited number of candidates who are interviewing 2-4 places. They might not accept offers. If that is the case, they may need a second cert and will start from scratch. The fact that they are referring on a second certificate is a good sign.

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esquire2014 (Jul 18, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

Received a T.O. from Alexandria about 1.5 hours after being referred.

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kramer716 (Jul 18, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

Nice. Congratulations. Wonder if they will give me the rejection notice today. They have a habit of sending the "Congratulations, you have been referred" email to be quickly followed by the "yeah, you haven't been picked up" email about two hours later.

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esq24 (Jul 18, 2017 - 6:42 pm)

Did they give you a start date?

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esquire2014 (Jul 19, 2017 - 8:22 am)

I will probably turn the position down because I have already accepted one with another agency.

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oddis500 (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:37 pm)

I'd really like to move to Tampa or Hattiesburg. But I'd settle for simply knowing something at this point.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 8:20 am)

Didn't Tampa just close last week? I am sure they have not done interviews yet. You probably still have a shot there even if they made selections for Hattiesburg.

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

Same. I will move anywhere if there is a job. I have no ties to any place at this point, so am flexible geographically speaking.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 5:52 pm)

There were a few new posts today in Florence, Birmingham, and St. Louis.

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 6:40 pm)

I found the Florence and Birmingham ones, but will have to do St. Louis.

Wish they would have done St. Louis during the last go round instead of cancelling the opening.

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 6:57 pm)

Many offices hire people who were legal assistants, in claims/adjudication or in other positions within SSA to be AAs/paralegals, so it's possible they selected someone outside that certificate and this is just another round.

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 7:01 pm)

Just applied for St. Louis. They only have a 3-day window and are only hiring one person, so I am wondering if someone just left them in the lurch, and they want to get a quick replacement. I think you applied with me to the last St. Louis opening. I am too lazy to look at the previous thread, but I remember getting a referral for them, then getting the email saying they canceled the posting. I believe the last St. Louis opening was for many vacancies, but I digress. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I would have missed this one.

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oddis500 (Jul 19, 2017 - 9:46 am)

Yea it's probably still early for Tampa, so hopefully you are right. Does anyone have a feel for how long generally does it take to make offers after the conclusion of the interviews?

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downwardslope (Jul 19, 2017 - 10:50 am)

It seems to be within 1-2 weeks that HR reviews the selections and makes the tentative offers.

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esquire2014 (Jul 19, 2017 - 11:04 am)

I interviewed on June 23, 2017 and received an offer on July 18, 2017.

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oddis500 (Jul 19, 2017 - 11:28 am)

Ok thanks for the info guys

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kramer716 (Jul 20, 2017 - 1:33 pm)

Just got a message from the Albuquerque office, and I applied there in March. I called them back and left a message, but apparently, if you were rejected during the last go round, then you still have a shot.

This leads me to a question for anyone who has received a call by them. What is the first call supposed to be? Is it just to set up an interview time? She already said it's not a job offer, so not expecting that but curious what to expect.

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downwardslope (Jul 20, 2017 - 2:15 pm)

I know someone else who got the call but has as many details as you do. I am not sure if they picked up the call or just for the message.

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kramer716 (Jul 20, 2017 - 2:19 pm)

Still waiting on the return call. I would have no issue with Albuquerque. We were under a Tornado warning, so it would figure that they would try to call back when I am taking my trip to Oz.

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kramer716 (Jul 20, 2017 - 2:37 pm)

Just got the call. It looks like it doesn't mean much. They are gathering names of people who are still interested so that they can fill available positions. I was not offered an interview at this point, so it's nice to receive a call but not sure if it means anything.

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oddis500 (Jul 20, 2017 - 8:22 pm)

Sure it does! It means you are still under consideration. That's something- best of luck!

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

I appreciate the vote of confidence. It would be awesome to work in Albuquerque, but not getting my hopes up. I was freaking ecstatic when they initially called yesterday and left a message, but the follow-up call took away most of that excitement. I will say of all the openings I have applied to over the past few months Albuquerque is top on my list, so I hope something does happen.

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downwardslope (Jul 21, 2017 - 10:42 am)

Looks like the non-referral for lack of vet pref emails have gone out.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I did receive a rejection for the Raleigh opening, but no other rejections yet, although I am sure they are coming

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tenthsgirl (Jul 21, 2017 - 11:24 am)

Yep, I got the Raleigh rejection email too.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 11:30 am)

I do appreciate the fact that they at least gave out a reason why I wasn't referred. During the last round of rejections, they were much vaguer. I prefer to know that it was because I am not a vet, and not because of any issues with my documents that I submitted. I am still disappointed, but not frustrated like before

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sanka (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:36 pm)

Why would you even consider applying for a federal job without veteran preference points???

I suppose you also buy Power Ball lottery tickets...,

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

Just the scratchers

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kenosis (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:41 pm)

I didn't realize that it is extremely unlikely that you'll get a federal job without veteran preference points. Is that accurate?

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 12:45 pm)

It does seem like it's a pretty big obstacle, but having said that I am sure there are quite a few people who do it. Of course, I can also tell you that I have had no success, and only been interviewed for an Attorney-Advisor position with the BVA which I didn't get.

I only apply to positions that have multiple vacancies, with the hope that I will hit on something, but as I said my success rate is nil. Still, doesn't hurt to try.

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downwardslope (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

Most attorney positions do not use vet preference since it is excepted service. I have not gotten a position with the Feds for not being a veteran, but I was interviewed and it was with one of the military branches. I think this is likely based on the union and the Atlanta office is in a different union from most of the rest of the country.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

Fair enough. My experience with the Feds is limited to applying for jobs, so don't know the ins and outs yet.

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kramer716 (Jul 21, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

On an unrelated note, I still have only received a did not refer message for the Raleigh opening, so hopefully, we still have a shot with the other openings.

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oddis500 (Jul 21, 2017 - 7:08 pm)

Has anyone interviewed for Hattiesburg?

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downwardslope (Jul 22, 2017 - 8:13 am)

I think someone above said he was offered a Hattiesburg interview and was a vet, but he declined. Keep in mind that if they don't get enough interest off the vet certificate, then they will have to go to the US Citizen certificate.

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oddis500 (Jul 22, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

Ok thanks!

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