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Barbri Tutors - having trouble getting paid?

Have any other Barbri tutors/people who have tutored in the loser1206/20/17
Call & email their office/rep that set you up with the gig a isthisit06/20/17
How'd you get a tutoring gig? I was in charge of setting up thirdtierlaw06/20/17
Well at least you got paid! You need about an hour to prepar loser1206/20/17
That is shady that they aren't addressing your nonpayment ri thirdtierlaw06/20/17
The positive from the students' perspective is every busines loser1206/20/17
Tried reaching out. Doesn't seem very likely i'll be getting loser1206/20/17
stiffing contractors is new normal. smart business ... defensivelawyer06/21/17
Start submitting additional invoices for interest owed on an inho2solo06/21/17
I am considering this for side cash. What are the requiremen darknight06/22/17
1.) You must be over 6' 2.) You must be below a Norwood 3 loser1206/22/17
If your jurisdiction has a strong consumer protection statut lolasaurusrex06/22/17
Dark knight - where are you located? With the big companies, loser1206/23/17
I am in NYC. It sounds like you do more than just grade the darknight06/23/17
Yes, it's much more intensive than essay grading - normally loser1206/23/17
I graded essays for BarBri in NYC. I took their full fledged associatex06/25/17
$3.50 is crazy. I doubt how closely most reviewers would rea loser1206/26/17
loser12 (Jun 20, 2017 - 12:41 pm)

Have any other Barbri tutors/people who have tutored in the past had difficulty getting paid?

All correspondence cut off after I submitted my first invoice. A subsequent email asking for tutoring tips, and for add'l students was also ignored as were all subsequent invoices - basically a month of owed wages.

At first, I thought the problem was me but all my students seem pleased and the lessons keep coming and coming so I don't think it's me. When I called, it was acknowledged but chalked up to accounting and they seemed annoyed - still no e-mail, no payment, etc.

I'm not really sure what to do at this point. I've been working for over a month, and turned down other opportunities because this paid well and I love teaching, especially teaching law. I'm f'd re: finances if this is an issue. At the same time, I don't want to soil this relationship because they're very easy to work with - no overbearing overseers, etc. but if I'm not getting paid it's just a hobby and out of pocket costs (travel, printing, etc.)

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isthisit (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:04 pm)

Call & email their office/rep that set you up with the gig and show up at their office (if feasible).

I've never tutored but if they owed me, I'd do the above to collect. You at least need an ETA on payment.

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thirdtierlaw (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

How'd you get a tutoring gig? I was in charge of setting up the projector for the video lectures and setting up the podium for lectures, it was a pretty sweet gig. It paid for my bar review course.

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loser12 (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:42 pm)

Well at least you got paid! You need about an hour to prepare for each hour, because you're going over 3-4 essays and maybe some BLL. It takes some time to understand a fact pattern to a 70+ level, and also identify what theirs is lacking. Also, all my students are smart and went to great law schools/law review so it's not exactly elementary education.

If you get a 180 LSAT and are tutoring 130's, you can show up cold and be fine. The students are great, and I like that I'm not dealing with dumb dumbs even if it makes it more time consuming, but tbh they won't even acknowledge my invoices, which is why I'm worried. If it was, we have your invoices, sorry about the delay, it'd be one thing.

If it's "here's my latest invoice. I'm worried you haven't acknowledged the last month's invoices" then zzzzzzzzzzzz, then students calling for lessons, I get worried and I'm not going to lie and say it's not affecting how much I prioritize tutoring even though I feel guilty about it.

If they said, hey, we're backed up, sorry, all would be 100%.

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thirdtierlaw (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:54 pm)

That is shady that they aren't addressing your nonpayment right away. I know I wasn't very impressed with their organizational structure. There were times that it wasn't exactly clear who was in charge.

It's funny that kids from good schools are the ones hiring a tutor.

Good luck and I hope you get paid.

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loser12 (Jun 20, 2017 - 4:11 pm)

The positive from the students' perspective is every business will cut costs somewhere, and my observation is Barbri spends a ton on materials and professors and cuts administrators. In all likelihood, it's just understaffing behind the scenes resulting in a small # of overworked people.

It's also likely that my peanut invoices aren't a top priority, In all likelihood they haven't been read, which would make me feel better. My concern is August 1 when student loans and rent are due, I say, "well, I'm owed ...." I also would feel horrible causing stress to anyone by the time we hit July. My parents got ripped off a lot when I was a kid, and maybe seeing them get burned made me paranoid - who knows?

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loser12 (Jun 20, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

Tried reaching out. Doesn't seem very likely i'll be getting an ETA of when they can acknowledge the invoices by email, much less of expected payment.

I've already read and graded the next 3 lessons' essay so will do those but will probably hold off thereafter. Probably best to stop scheduling lessons in the interim both because I can't randomly bail on students in July, and based on the contracts essay I just graded have to mitigate my losses once i'm on notice haha.

I don't get what motive they'd have not to acknowledge them - it's bizarre, but then again if it wasn't a reputable business, I'd have bailed months ago. I'm 90% sure it's fine, but 10% worried and the whole appeal of Barbri is it was 100% legit when I was a student.

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defensivelawyer (Jun 21, 2017 - 2:04 am)

stiffing contractors is new normal. smart business ...

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inho2solo (Jun 21, 2017 - 4:14 pm)

Start submitting additional invoices for interest owed on any invoices over X days unpaid.

That make get someone's attention.

The above is partly in jest, but do you have nothing in writing about the T&C of your work for them?

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darknight (Jun 22, 2017 - 10:39 am)

I am considering this for side cash. What are the requirements for becoming a bar exam tutor?

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loser12 (Jun 22, 2017 - 8:07 pm)

1.) You must be over 6'

2.) You must be below a Norwood 3.

3.) You need to be okay with panicking women calling and crying to you dally about the test.

4.) You must be willing to work for free, plus pay all out of pocket costs.

5.) You need to figure out what you're doing on your own with limited/no instruction.

Basically, it's kind of like an internship with no chance of prolonged employment, and all self-taught skills.

It's a great position if you are reasonably personable, have an IQ over 150, came out of law school unemployment or at a financial ruin and don't need money. Think of it as pro bono for big law bound people.

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lolasaurusrex (Jun 22, 2017 - 11:10 pm)

If your jurisdiction has a strong consumer protection statute send them a demand letter under that. I'm sure that will definetly get someone's attention.

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loser12 (Jun 23, 2017 - 2:59 am)

Dark knight - where are you located? With the big companies, the discrepancy b/w what the student pays and the tutor receives is too vast for it to be lucrative. Again, this isn't a regular test where you can just show up blind. Bar questions are hard, and the student often knows the law better than the tutor so you're basically one hour prep for one hr tutoring.

People are okay paying a premium for prep for the bar because of the massive cost of failure, which makes it difficult to undercut the market.

That said, there's nothing Barbri adds aside from their materials. If you could get access to real questions and teach from that then you would already surpass them in terms of quality.

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darknight (Jun 23, 2017 - 12:53 pm)

I am in NYC. It sounds like you do more than just grade the essays that are submitted so i thought it paid better. If you had to put a dollar per hour figure on your pay (including prep work), what would it be?

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loser12 (Jun 23, 2017 - 9:46 pm)

Yes, it's much more intensive than essay grading - normally a markup, and if I don't do it right before I meet, i need to review their essay again. I don't think those graders are really reading the essays beyond a precursory skim. I've seen a 70, and a 40 (same essay) get a 45 with "use headings" as the only comment. I don't know what they get paid, but it obviously isn't much because if performance was an incentive these essays would not be getting the same comments.

Probably ~40, but the student pays $350/hour. It may be more if I can reuse essays (assuming I get paid) but it's sporadic work. You may be commuting a half hour each way + prep for that payment. From the student's end, that $350/hr price point is so steep that if they're doing 2-hours, they're out $700. You make ~50/hour with Kaplan and others with about ~$20/hr for prep so are making less, but they also only charge $200/hour.

My main observation is that the discrepancy b/w cost and pay is large to the point the student isn't getting what they're paying for, because I try my best - definitely above what I expect median is but I'd be lying if I said I'm 100% present because (1) I need to make at least $200 a day to live (much less have a career), and (2) am not 100% sure I am actually getting paid (in which case eviction is in store).

I'd say if you were doing it on your own, $150 is a good price point. I'm just not sure what materials I could use. With other standardized tests, you could just buy exams. Can you even buy real tests?

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associatex (Jun 25, 2017 - 12:25 am)

I graded essays for BarBri in NYC. I took their full fledged course in 2001 and again in 2002. They had easily, probably 35-50 people grading essays, I was paid probably $3.50 per essay, I cant remember. This was from 2005-2010. I dealt w the admin in their Times Sq location, I would pick up 50 essays submitted by students in the St Johns, Brooklyn, NYLS or Fordham course locations and whip through them in 2 days, I was asked to grade more and more because I wrote detailed feedback and suggested ways they could improve their scores. i think I earned anywhere from $400-750 for the entire job. I only graded for the summer exams, not winter (there were fewer students in winter courses).

I got paid in 1 lump sum each August. I quit because it was too time consuming.

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loser12 (Jun 26, 2017 - 2:42 pm)

$3.50 is crazy. I doubt how closely most reviewers would read them. Do you know if it's always in August? I don't really feel comfortable waiting for 8,000-10,000 until August with a company that was cool ignoring me for a month.

It wasn't even all money related - I had a question on something teaching related - straight up no reply. Training is a 30 min video with a contact us with any questions any time of day, which is convenient but there's no support beyond that and the students are all very reasonable to work with.

If they can't be bothered to help the kids paying $350/hour for their service, it's a stretch to think they'll just pay afterwards. Again, there's no payment ETA.

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