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CNBC: jobs that … don't make a lot of money

According to U.S. News & World Report, the median private se sanka06/22/17
I am a third year making $60,000. I guess that $68,300 inclu vohod06/22/17
There's an ad running on Craigslist in a city near me for an fettywap06/22/17
It's 10% of income above the poverty line. So you may have thirdtierlaw06/22/17
It's 10% of what you make over 1.5 times the poverty guideli fettywap06/22/17
Pretty sure you can hit 40k or more bartending at a decent s mtbislife06/22/17
You certainly can. Plus you'd be working about 25 hours a we thirdtierlaw06/22/17
Good news is that we are nearing the tipping point (hopefull mtbislife06/22/17
I hope you're right. We all benefit if a ton of law schools thirdtierlaw06/23/17
"According to U.S. News & World Report, the median REPORTED wutwutwut06/22/17
"Decline to provide"? More likely were not asked. I think I downwardslope06/22/17
I always appreciate the positive vibes on JDU. nighthawk06/22/17
Reality bites flawed06/22/17
My law school never followed up or asked me to report my ter cranky06/22/17
I always laugh when I see this. An army sergeant e-5 is maki tom_foolery06/23/17
"Ranked law schools." What about the unranked ones? flyer1406/23/17
Yeah, and that's *if* you can get a job. Some of these schoo 6figuremistake06/23/17
And that's after juking 'em stats triplesix06/23/17
I was thinking we should add 10 or 20 percent to the reporte cranky06/23/17
MCGEORGE DOMINATES karlmarx06/23/17
Eating alpo at Valpo, indeed. I failed to dissuade a friend flyer1406/23/17
Some of these are pretty impressive considering recent bar p downwardslope06/23/17
Laverne you expected crap from but Chapman and McGeorge....t cocolawyer07/03/17
What Happened to making America great again? bigsal06/23/17
I like the point she makes about how "Just because you see a onehell06/23/17
Interesting. To me having a JD and practicing law means taki vohod06/23/17
Yeah I get that too. The MBAs and whatnot have little intere onehell06/23/17

sanka (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

According to U.S. News & World Report, the median private sector salary was $68,300, and the median public sector salary was $52,000 among J.D. recipients in the class of 2015 at ranked law schools. Only 35 law schools of the 197 ranked reported median private sector salaries in the six figures.


http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/21/6-questions-to-ask-yourself-before-you-go-to-law-school.html

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vohod (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

I am a third year making $60,000. I guess that $68,300 includes people living in major metros.

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fettywap (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:32 pm)

There's an ad running on Craigslist in a city near me for an immigration lawyer. $36,000 a year. How does anyone live on that? Especially when the student loan people want to take 10% of what you make.

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thirdtierlaw (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:55 pm)

It's 10% of income above the poverty line. So you may have attorneys paying $0/month under IBR.

I'm pretty shocked that the median is so low.

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fettywap (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:42 pm)

It's 10% of what you make over 1.5 times the poverty guideline. Poverty guideline for a single person is $12,000. So anything you make over $18,000. So you'd owe about $150 a month on your $3,000 a month income.

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mtbislife (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:59 pm)

Pretty sure you can hit 40k or more bartending at a decent spot.

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thirdtierlaw (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

You certainly can. Plus you'd be working about 25 hours a week. Though you'll definitely start out making quite a bit less until you get better shifts.

It's a sad world we're living in.

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mtbislife (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:11 pm)

Good news is that we are nearing the tipping point (hopefully).

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thirdtierlaw (Jun 23, 2017 - 12:32 pm)

I hope you're right. We all benefit if a ton of law schools shut-down and fewer students enroll at the schools that remain open.

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wutwutwut (Jun 22, 2017 - 2:58 pm)

"According to U.S. News & World Report, the median REPORTED private sector salary was $68,300, and the median REPORTED public sector salary was $52,000 among J.D. recipients..."

FTFY.

And don't forget to factor in embarrassment and ask yourself whether the majority who decline to provide salary information are more likely to have higher, or lower, salaries?

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downwardslope (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:10 pm)

"Decline to provide"? More likely were not asked. I think I got my 9-month survey a full 3 years after I graduated. My school recently asked me to fill out a 3-year survey and I finished 8 years ago. Uh....

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nighthawk (Jun 22, 2017 - 3:06 pm)

I always appreciate the positive vibes on JDU.

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flawed (Jun 22, 2017 - 4:02 pm)

Reality bites

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cranky (Jun 22, 2017 - 4:21 pm)

My law school never followed up or asked me to report my terrible starting pay. I never made close to 68k all the years I was working for small law firms either.

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tom_foolery (Jun 23, 2017 - 1:53 am)

I always laugh when I see this. An army sergeant e-5 is making more than that with their allowances.

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flyer14 (Jun 23, 2017 - 8:05 am)

"Ranked law schools."

What about the unranked ones?

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6figuremistake (Jun 23, 2017 - 8:12 am)

Yeah, and that's *if* you can get a job. Some of these schools have Great Depression era unemployment rates...

http://abovethelaw.com/2017/05/the-law-schools-with-the-most-unemployed-graduates-2016/?rf=1


Charlotte Law: 30.88 percent
Southwestern Law: 28.97 percent
Thomas Jefferson Law: 28.57 percent
Florida Coastal Law: 27.76 percent
Valparaiso Law: 24.38 percent
U. San Diego Law: 24.31 percent
Elon Law: 23.60 percent
LaVerne Law: 23.53 percent
Chapman Law: 23.42 percent
U. Pacific McGeorge Law: 22.86 percent

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triplesix (Jun 23, 2017 - 9:04 am)

And that's after juking 'em stats

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cranky (Jun 23, 2017 - 2:44 pm)

I was thinking we should add 10 or 20 percent to the reported stats. The career counselor quoted in the article is herself a sad cautionary tale. She went to U. Penn undergrad then NYU law school, but only worked at a (no name) firm for less than 2 years before doing a random assortment of other low-paying jobs, including over a year doing doc review. The company she works for carers to well-off families in the DC suburbs. At least she's trying to give a realistic picture of law as a career to starry eyed youth.

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karlmarx (Jun 23, 2017 - 11:01 am)

MCGEORGE DOMINATES

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flyer14 (Jun 23, 2017 - 11:20 am)

Eating alpo at Valpo, indeed. I failed to dissuade a friend from attending that school actually.

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downwardslope (Jun 23, 2017 - 4:06 pm)

Some of these are pretty impressive considering recent bar passage rates. I think the last FL bar first time pass for FL Coastal was 25%?

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cocolawyer (Jul 3, 2017 - 3:15 pm)

Laverne you expected crap from but Chapman and McGeorge....thats pretty surprising.

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bigsal (Jun 23, 2017 - 1:00 pm)

What Happened to making America great again?

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onehell (Jun 23, 2017 - 6:56 pm)

I like the point she makes about how "Just because you see a lot of people have law degrees, it might not be the case that it's necessary."

That's right. A lot of people you see in various roles happen to have them, but the fact that so many people have JDs they aren't using should tell you exactly the opposite of what it seems to tell a lot of 0Ls.

I run into that all the time, where people I know only in a business type of sense suddenly start arguing with me about some legal thing. Sure enough, come to find out they're a non-practicing JD. Lately it feels like every meeting I go into these days there's going to be 2-3 randos who happen to have a JD they never used and who have a chip on their shoulder about it, who are going to want to get into a pissing match with me about some stupid trivial thing or another.

It's infuriating, but I see how a 0L could look at all these JDs doing other stuff and draw exactly the wrong conclusion.

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vohod (Jun 23, 2017 - 7:05 pm)

Interesting. To me having a JD and practicing law means taking order from a client rep who is ordinarily a SAHM working remotely with a B.S. in business. No one should have a chip on their shoulder for not engaging in the practice of law. Outside of the most prestigious 5 or so firms in a given state, most of the work is middleman nonsense.

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onehell (Jun 23, 2017 - 7:16 pm)

Yeah I get that too. The MBAs and whatnot have little interest in the lawyers and would prefer that they get out of the way and just bless everything with no changes. We're glorified scribes to them.

But for some reason the JDs always have something to prove, particularly if you're dealing with a department that is particularly prone to having random JDs peppered amongst the staff (HR for example).

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