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Charlotte Law School Closes Effective Immediately

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/ch arlotte-school-of-law-clo karlmarx08/15/17
Charlotte doc review rates are already up, I wonder if they triplesix08/15/17
Campbell and Elon will suck up a lot of the excess. Campbel jdcumlaude08/15/17
Bravo! Great news! Hopefully all Infilaw nightmares will fol wolfman08/15/17
Does this mean students currently enrolled there can now get defectoantesto08/15/17
True winners but this scool churned a decade of idiots who a triplesix08/15/17
Cold but true. Haha. defectoantesto08/15/17
Sweet release! ibrslave08/15/17
How many days before every floundering Charlotte law grad si mrtor08/15/17
According to the article, this young attorney is suing the s cranky08/15/17
Got to give the scammers credit - they fought this one to th 6figuremistake08/15/17
First Whittier and now Charlotte and the year is only half o trickydick08/15/17
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The sad thing is how the article says these students are "sc onehell08/15/17
Unless the other law schools are going to make an exception, cranky08/15/17
That delay raises an interesting question. If you apply for onehell08/16/17
very smart advice to take a chance to get a discharge and do williamdrayton08/15/17
Sad to think of all the youngsters out there who will never zuma08/15/17
The New York Times reports that the North Carolina attorney larrywilliams08/15/17
From the New York Times article: [quote]Kyle McEntee, exe larrywilliams08/15/17
I really wish I could remember the name of the only CSOL stu spaghetti08/18/17
Friend of mine dealt with one once. Said she was trying to jackiechiles08/25/17
This made my week. bigsal08/19/17
This morning, Interim Dean Paul Meggett notified students an sanka08/25/17
Haha "touch base" is a particularly annoying one. turde08/26/17

karlmarx (Aug 15, 2017 - 11:32 am)

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/charlotte-school-of-law-closing-effective-immediately-alumni-association-says/592287262

Goodnight sweet prince

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triplesix (Aug 15, 2017 - 11:38 am)

Charlotte doc review rates are already up, I wonder if they gonna go even higher now that their biggest supplier is gone.

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jdcumlaude (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:48 pm)

Campbell and Elon will suck up a lot of the excess. Campbell's incoming class is up 28% from last year. Other "non-profit" scam schools will fill the gap.

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wolfman (Aug 15, 2017 - 11:42 am)

Bravo! Great news! Hopefully all Infilaw nightmares will follow in short order, to be followed by the majority of the "non-profit" scammers in due course (I realize this is probably too optimistic).

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defectoantesto (Aug 15, 2017 - 11:56 am)

Does this mean students currently enrolled there can now get their federal loans forgiven? What a gift. No blemish on their resume from this, uh, institution of higher learning, and no six figure debt.

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triplesix (Aug 15, 2017 - 11:58 am)

True winners but this scool churned a decade of idiots who ain't as lucky.

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defectoantesto (Aug 15, 2017 - 2:25 pm)

Cold but true. Haha.

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ibrslave (Aug 15, 2017 - 12:34 pm)

Sweet release!

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mrtor (Aug 15, 2017 - 12:44 pm)

How many days before every floundering Charlotte law grad signs onto a class action seeking loan forgiveness due to fraud? I'm sure there are firms already working on it.

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cranky (Aug 15, 2017 - 4:30 pm)

According to the article, this young attorney is suing the school:
http://www.farrin.com/legal-staff/sidney-fligel-attorney-nc-north-carolina

Go Attorney Fligel! And as I suspected, the floundering student they quoted is a black woman. I hate seeing these awful, money-grubbing schools preying on minorities who still think it is noble to go to law school.

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6figuremistake (Aug 15, 2017 - 1:04 pm)

Got to give the scammers credit - they fought this one to the bitter end. Waiting for Stephen Diamond's forthcoming blog post about how Infilaw made a big mistake....

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trickydick (Aug 15, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

First Whittier and now Charlotte and the year is only half over. Another two law schools this year and we can start talking about a cascade of closures.

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ibrslave (Aug 15, 2017 - 3:58 pm)

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onehell (Aug 15, 2017 - 4:17 pm)

The sad thing is how the article says these students are "scrambling to transfer."

According to the DOE, you can get a closed-school discharge of all your loans for the closed school, but NOT if you have succeeded in "transferring academic credits or hours earned at the closed school to another school."

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/closed-school

The LSAT and UGPA of students who transfer in doesn't count against a school for USNWR purposes, so I have little doubt that they can find some bottom-feeding fourth tier that will take them. But given the above, that's the last thing they should want to do.

These kids have been given a mulligan, but most of them are not going to use it, so strong is the bias against "quitting."

Someone should stand out in front of that school handing out brochures with information about closed-school discharge, and another graphic about the bimodal salary distribution. This is the chance of a lifetime to completely unwind what would have otherwise been a life-destroying decision. But if they transfer, they lose that opportunity. For the love of all that is holy kids, go do something else. Take this as a sign from God.

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cranky (Aug 15, 2017 - 4:33 pm)

Unless the other law schools are going to make an exception, these conned law students aren't going to be able to transfer for this upcoming school year. Most law schools start in a week. They are going to have to find jobs, work for a year, and apply to transfer to a school at least 2 hours away for fall 2018. I suspect NCCU law will get flooded with the applications.

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onehell (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:09 am)

That delay raises an interesting question. If you apply for closed-school discharge and get it granted, and don't apply to transfer until AFTER the discharge is granted, does the discharge get revoked when the new school reports your enrollment? If yes, I wonder how long the look back period is. If not, it could be a loophole where you can get around the "no transfer" rule if you just wait to transfer until after the discharge process is complete.

I can't find a clear answer. Disability discharges are at first granted "conditionally" so they can take another look later, but I don't see any mention of the closed-school discharge being conditional for some period of time.

Still doesn't make it a good idea, but an interesting question.

That said, these alternate commodes are going to get a lot of pressure to waive normal deadlines. There's a lot of money in it for them if they do so and all they have to do is plop a few extra chairs in the classrooms and dedicate a few hours to the data entry work associated with putting them in the school's system, putting in their credits, processing FAFSAs etc. And again, these kids' numbers won't count against them for USNWR, so there's really no downside to waiving normal deadlines.

It's not like adding additional students has a high marginal cost, and most of the low-ranked law schools are having trouble filling their classes anyway. The kids, meanwhile, are going to be worried more about immediate survival than about their long-term strategy, because they were depending on those loan disbursements to cover rent when school would have otherwise started in a few weeks. If someone offers them a life raft they're going to grab it and fast, at the expense of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

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williamdrayton (Aug 15, 2017 - 5:17 pm)

very smart advice to take a chance to get a discharge and do something else. it's not like these kids are going to be accepted as transfers at HYS. being accepted at another commode does nothing but pile on more useless debt.

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zuma (Aug 15, 2017 - 5:14 pm)

Sad to think of all the youngsters out there who will never get that Million Dollar Law Degree (tm-Simkovic) from CSL.

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larrywilliams (Aug 15, 2017 - 10:25 pm)

The New York Times reports that the North Carolina attorney general's office has confirmed the closure of the school.

Elizabeth Olson, "For-Profit Charlotte School of Law Closes," Aug. 15, 2017, New York Times, at:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/business/dealbook/for-profit-charlotte-school-of-law-closes.html

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larrywilliams (Aug 15, 2017 - 10:30 pm)

From the New York Times article:

[quote]Kyle McEntee, executive director of Law School Transparency, and a critic of Charlotte Law, said, “The school and its greedy owners have failed their students, the Charlotte community and the legal profession.”

Mr. Stein [Josh Stein, North Carolina Attorney General] agreed, noting that “while good lawyers have graduated from Charlotte School of Law, the school too often failed to deliver for its students.”

“Charlotte School of Law told students they would be ‘ready to practice upon graduation,’ but fewer than one in five incoming students of the Class of 2016 graduated, passed the bar and got a job that required the degree for which they spent more than $100,000.”[/quote]

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spaghetti (Aug 18, 2017 - 1:02 am)

I really wish I could remember the name of the only CSOL student I ever encountered to see how her career unfolded.

She was an intern at my office in 2013. I have never met a lazier employee in my life. She was at my office for ten weeks and by the second week she was just sitting in the lobby on her phone for hours.

I talked to my friend who was supervising her and he said he didn't care at all because her first assignment, an objective memo, was incomprehensible. I worked with her later on. By the end of the summer, we both wondered if she was legitimately mentally challenged. She just could not grasp the most basic concepts.

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jackiechiles (Aug 25, 2017 - 5:33 pm)

Friend of mine dealt with one once. Said she was trying to introduce statements he, the opposing counsel, made in conversations they had before the trial into evidence at the trial.

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bigsal (Aug 19, 2017 - 7:20 pm)

This made my week.

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sanka (Aug 25, 2017 - 8:55 am)

This morning, Interim Dean Paul Meggett notified students and alumni via email that the school “no longer has a path forward,”

ANNOYING WORKPLACE JARGON
1. Touch base (according to 24 percent of employees)

To meet or talk about a specific issue

2. Blue sky thinking (21 percent)

Creative thinking not grounded in reality

3. We're on a journey (13 percent)

Highlighting that a company, team or project has not yet reached its mission or objective

4. Game changer (13 percent)

A product, idea or process that represents a significant shift in thinking or way of doing things

5. No-brainer (13 percent)

Claiming that something is an irrefutably good idea

6. Thought shower (11 percent)

A meeting to share ideas, often without considering practical limitations

7. Run it up the flagpole (11 percent)

To present an idea and see if it generates a favourable reaction

8. If you don't like it, get off the bus (10 percent)

Implying that a colleague should leave a company if they are unhappy

9. Mission statement (10 percent)

A stated 'reason for being' in respect of a company and its activities

10. Pick it up and run with it (10 percent)

To continue an activity or process that someone else has started, often when that person could not finish it or make it work

11. Punch a puppy (9 percent)

To do something horrible for the greater good

12. Let's get our ducks in a row (9 percent)

To align a team or multiple parties in preparation for an event or discussion

THE 50 MOST ANNOYING OFFICE JARGON TERMS
1. Blue-sky thinking
2. Idea shower
3. To ‘action’ a project
4. Going forward
5. Brainstorm
6. Getting the ball rolling
7. Drill down
8. Out of the loop
9. Thinking outside the box
10. Touch base
11. Singing from the same hymn-sheet
12. Circle back
13. Strategic fit
14. Bottom line
15. Low hanging fruit
16. Win-win
17. Play hardball
18. Best practice
19. On my radar
20. Bench mark
21. Value added
22. To run an idea up the flagpole
23. Results driven
24. Revert
25. Game-plan
26. Hit the ground running
27. Customer centric
28. No ‘i’ in team
29. Back to the drawing-board
30. Re-inventing the wheel
31. Dot the ‘i’s and cross the ‘t’s
32. Action plan
33. Bells and whistles
34. Moving the goalposts
35. Back of the net
36. On the same page
37. Open door policy
38. To ‘ping’ an email
39. Kick a project into the long grass
40. Joined up thinking
41. Pick up and run with it
42. Streamline
43. Close of play
44. To take an idea or project ‘off piste’
45. Level playing field
46. Quick win
47. In the driving seat
48. No brainer
49. To ‘park’ a project
50. ASAP


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turde (Aug 26, 2017 - 12:03 am)

Haha "touch base" is a particularly annoying one.

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