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career "changes" for long term lawyers with very little if no marketable experience

I feel guilty even calling myself a lawyer, as I've never pr notreallyalawyer08/15/17
have you applied to Staff Attorney or eDiscovery Manager typ uzername08/15/17
Yes, I've even applied for a no hours guaranteed, no benefit notreallyalawyer08/15/17
perhaps getting out of docrev will ease your anxiety. I did uzername08/15/17
well, it' snot NYC but it's just as bad.. Believe me, this i notreallyalawyer08/21/17
If you're in a flyover state, find a rural county that needs lawlyer8208/16/17
Time to put your legal mind to work and think of ways to spi thirdtierlaw08/15/17
Actually on my own I had looked at AML jobs, but they all li notreallyalawyer08/15/17
How old are you? junkwired08/15/17
I'm in my early 40s. Wish I could deal with my anxiety. i've notreallyalawyer08/15/17
you'll be able to handle a fed govt interview. they are very uzername08/15/17
Well, that's assuming I get one. I've had them in the past, notreallyalawyer08/16/17
I don't know. I've been applying to just about every legal o fettywap08/15/17
OP, I think your best bet for employment is working for an e hairypalms08/15/17
Be a legal recruiter bucwild08/16/17
Yes, a cold-calling based job sounds perfect for OP's anxiet garfieldfan08/17/17
15 years in the sh!t means you only qualify for legal/quasi- isthisit08/16/17
Think my issues would prevent me from doing any of those sug notreallyalawyer08/16/17
Get a health care related degree. Plenty of employment oppor isthisit08/16/17
You beat me to it. Honestly, OP, the deck is stacked aga mrtor08/16/17
yup, time to tap that sweet federal student loan money. get uzername08/16/17
Should be careful with nursing. It's a pretty big commitment thirdtierlaw08/16/17
I've known since i was a kid I was going to have problems in notreallyalawyer08/16/17
I second the coding boot camp suggestion. junkwired08/16/17
I have a pretty weak stomach so dunnu if I could handle nurs notreallyalawyer08/16/17
There are some large insurance defense mills that hire any a junkwired08/16/17
any you know of in NJ/PA? I have a pulse...for now... petunia08/16/17
If you are admitted to NJ and PA bars you are qualified to f jackofspeed08/16/17
I was wondering if you can name a few of these firms. I'm lo nyctemp08/17/17
The only one I can name off the top of my head is Wilson Els junkwired08/17/17
Every time I see one of their job postings it seems like the nyctemp08/17/17
I know somebody who went back to school for her masters in p fettywap08/16/17
Like an MBA, an MPH is a toxic degree unless you are using i mrtor08/16/17
MPH != public health administration. MPH is fairly technical bucwild08/16/17
Yeah I disagree as well. I know some people with this degre karlfarbman08/17/17
OP, it sounds like you are thinking that having been in doc onehell08/17/17
Good advice here. What state are you in? Do you have a throw hmmmm08/17/17
I'm not even sure what those things are, I'm more familiar w notreallyalawyer08/18/17
In either case it's something you can do with only a BA, but wutwutwut08/18/17
I sent you an email. Yes there are still aol accounts ;) hmmmm08/19/17
Hi thanks, I got it, unfortunately when I set it up, it aske notreallyalawyer08/21/17
OP, I disagree with your initial statement. Doc review is no nighthawk08/18/17
To nighthaw: I honestly don't want to be a lawyer, so I h notreallyalawyer08/18/17
To clarify my point, have you tried publishing anything rece nighthawk08/18/17
I have an interview for a paralegal position at a mid-sized fettywap08/21/17
That's interesting that they are considering you, but I woul notreallyalawyer08/21/17
Just a rant: But for unemployment purposes I'm applying for notreallyalawyer08/21/17
Why are you applying to lawyer jobs? There are other jobs ou nighthawk08/21/17
I know, I've tried applying for paperwork contract manager t notreallyalawyer08/22/17
I don't know what to tell you, pal. I never really got a law wolfman08/21/17
I'm open to anything, especially if it makes me marketable. notreallyalawyer08/22/17
I once looked into a Masters of Accounting Program. Most cla uknownvalue08/22/17
I'd imagine for an Masters you'd have needed undergrad accou notreallyalawyer08/22/17
Your undergrad degree is irrelevant. Most programs require 1 uknownvalue08/22/17
To answer your questions, my coursework is at a four-year sc wolfman08/22/17
Another thought OP: are you unemployed or can you plausibly wolfman08/22/17
If he is doing doc review, I bet he can claim to be unemploy thirdtierlaw08/22/17
I'd imagine these "free" community college degrees are only notreallyalawyer08/22/17
I wish I had good advice. I chose not to practice, and my J qdllc08/22/17
Do you think they'll care if I said in a cover letter that I notreallyalawyer08/22/17
You can certainly try that, but my impression is that they k qdllc08/22/17
Write it up as a document management job and leave the JD of fettywap08/22/17
The Scarlet Letter by author Nathaniel Hawthorne. Try scr sanka08/22/17
For doc review you can try applying to management jobs in In secondcareerlawyer08/22/17
Well, I don't think I have management in me, I guess my anxi notreallyalawyer08/27/17

notreallyalawyer (Aug 15, 2017 - 8:20 pm)

I feel guilty even calling myself a lawyer, as I've never practiced law a day in my life. I graduated law school 15 years ago, I could never get a job, I did the only thing I could get, doc review. Now I really want out. But I have no marketable skill outside of doc review. Any suggestions? I've literally been applying for entry level college graduate jobs, and I'm getting rejected saying I don't have enough experience. I"m not sure if that's more of an I'm 20 years older than everyone else applying for these jobs, or what. But I'm having a really difficult time finding anything. I'm at the point wondering if I should leave the last 15 years off my my resume? I can't do any worse than I'm already doing. I also have anxiety issues, which make me a not very good speaker, and I don't interview that well, but I'm not even getting interviews to mess up.

If it matters, I didn't go to the best law school, but I was in the top 5% of my class, on law review, an editor. I'm a hard worker, that sort of thing.. I just couldn't get a job.

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uzername (Aug 15, 2017 - 8:25 pm)

have you applied to Staff Attorney or eDiscovery Manager type positions?

How about lying about your experience ... say you were at a small law firm that dissolved. Get the job and figure it out once there. Obviously we are not talking about biglaw M&A but this could fly for small law.

I feel you man. I am only 5 yrs out with a crap resume and there are not many options. Ageism is also a very real thing.

one area where your age will be in advantage is consumer-facing solo practice. I know someone who went from in-house to immigration at an advanced age and has done well - clients think he's been doing it for decades when he hasn't.

entry level isn't a good idea. you need to focus more on strategically repositioning yourself into a new type of role.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 15, 2017 - 8:48 pm)

Yes, I've even applied for a no hours guaranteed, no benefits doc review jobs. I honestly don't want to be doing this, and the reason why I'm not doing it anymore is because I don't have management in me. I think my anxiety is going to prevent me from doing legal work. I haven't been able to deal with it.

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uzername (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:35 pm)

perhaps getting out of docrev will ease your anxiety. I did it for only 2 months and it was extremely bad for my mental health. I don't know how you've done 15 years. I would much rather work construction or something than nyc doc review

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 21, 2017 - 5:29 pm)

well, it' snot NYC but it's just as bad.. Believe me, this is caused me great suffering, but I need the money. I spent $250k on my education... My friends who didn't go to college are MUCH better off than I am.

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lawlyer82 (Aug 16, 2017 - 3:07 am)

If you're in a flyover state, find a rural county that needs a lawyer. Use appointments to sustain your practice while you slowly grow your private hires.

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thirdtierlaw (Aug 15, 2017 - 8:33 pm)

Time to put your legal mind to work and think of ways to spin doc review. E-discovery is a good place to look. But AML may be a good fit.

Did you try searching on this site. There used to be a great poster, sazerac, who would offer potential job descriptions for resumes. Some were a thing of beauty. I don't know how powerful the search bar is on the site, but I have a vague recollection of her helping another doc reviewer out.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 15, 2017 - 8:50 pm)

Actually on my own I had looked at AML jobs, but they all list all this experience I don't have. I apply anyways, but don't ever hear anything. I honestly don't want to even think of ediscovery again. Spent 15 years doing it. I'm not a management type person. Not very good at explaining things orally either.

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junkwired (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:19 pm)

How old are you?

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:23 pm)

I'm in my early 40s. Wish I could deal with my anxiety. i've tried absolutely everything but nothing helps at all. I literally panic just thinking about going on an interview, and me getting an interview is less likely than me winning the lottery.. Problem is this will impact me in any field.

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uzername (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:36 pm)

you'll be able to handle a fed govt interview. they are very scripted and they just read off set questions and expect a halfway decent response.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 16, 2017 - 12:16 pm)

Well, that's assuming I get one. I've had them in the past, and I left with much worse feelings than my interviews at biglaw firms.. Not that I got offers from either, but they seemed worse for the DOJ, etc.. This was back when Iw as able to get honors program interviews..

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fettywap (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:43 pm)

I don't know. I've been applying to just about every legal or law related job out there with no response except an occasional interview. It sucks.

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hairypalms (Aug 15, 2017 - 9:45 pm)

OP, I think your best bet for employment is working for an eDiscovery company. You have the doc review experience, now you just need to spin your story. I'm not saying ediscovery is exciting in and of itself, but I suspect it beats DR. For the record, I did DR for 6 long years until I got a non-lawyer job doing contracting. I was able to ultimately parlay that into an in-house lawyer position. Also, consider contract management. Not sure what you did in your past life to deserve 15 years of document review hell, but I would say it's time to move on to something more fulfilling with your life. Best of luck to you.

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bucwild (Aug 16, 2017 - 5:37 am)

Be a legal recruiter

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garfieldfan (Aug 17, 2017 - 11:01 pm)

Yes, a cold-calling based job sounds perfect for OP's anxiety

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isthisit (Aug 16, 2017 - 6:15 am)

15 years in the sh!t means you only qualify for legal/quasi-legal gigs.

Look into project manager, legal recruiter, etc. You should be able to get one of these quasi law related gigs.

Short of starting your own practice for a few years or going back to school for an entirely new degree, you're locked in here with us OP.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 16, 2017 - 10:02 am)

Think my issues would prevent me from doing any of those suggestions. I Have no project management experience, I basically lost my job because they knew I wasn't going to be very good at that. Anyways id on't want to be micromanaging people. I would im agine managing doc review is worse than actually doing doc review. I just want out of the legal "profession" entirely, though not like I was ever in it.

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isthisit (Aug 16, 2017 - 10:04 am)

Get a health care related degree. Plenty of employment opportunities there.

That's the only thing you can do unless you have money to start a small business doing whatever.

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mrtor (Aug 16, 2017 - 10:16 am)

You beat me to it.

Honestly, OP, the deck is stacked against you. Fair or not, you need to play the best hand you can. Legal is contracting. If you truly want out, you need to get into a field that is thriving -- one which is begging for new hires.

Healthcare is the way to go. If you could get yourself through nursing school, you would have multiple competing offers with signing bonuses. Outside of nursing, there are plenty of other healthcare positions (radiology, nuclear medicine, coding, admin, etc.) that are in very high demand and often require only a brief certification program. The desperate need to fill these positions will outweigh your work history and interviewing skills.

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uzername (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:20 am)

yup, time to tap that sweet federal student loan money. get off the grind, heal yourself, while studying something meaningful. nobody in nursing, radiography, etc is going to care that you're 40. once out, go on IBR

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thirdtierlaw (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:36 am)

Should be careful with nursing. It's a pretty big commitment because most places require a new hire to be an RN. You'll late in the game here at 40 so looking for options that can open doors just with a certificate. Maybe a coding bootcamp? You can then use your "skills" of observation developed by doing document review as a selling point.

Also, you can crush the "why are you interested in switching careers question?" i.e. "I spent years doing document review and I couldn't figure out why it wasn't automated. It led me to learn a bit about coding in my free time. I was then instantly hooked, I wanted to bring my skills to the next level so I attended a coding bootcamp 'x'."

Radiology is also credited.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 16, 2017 - 12:05 pm)

I've known since i was a kid I was going to have problems in work related to being able to speak well, so when I went to college I started out as an engineer. I did so poorly despite trying to hard I knew the only way to salvage my GPA was to switch to a liberal arts degree and realized that meant only law school. Believe me, if I could program, I'd be doing it. I barely passed my FORTRAN class, and that was only because my project partner basically did everything on our project. I simply couldn't contemplate the stuff after the midterm exam..

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junkwired (Aug 16, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

I second the coding boot camp suggestion.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 16, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

I have a pretty weak stomach so dunnu if I could handle nursing.. I literally almost vomit each time I walk into a public bathroom. Do you know how much schooling costs for radiography? I already spent $250,000 on my education and I still owe much of that.

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junkwired (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:58 am)

There are some large insurance defense mills that hire any attorney with a pulse. May be worth considering.

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petunia (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:14 pm)

any you know of in NJ/PA? I have a pulse...for now...

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jackofspeed (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:48 pm)

If you are admitted to NJ and PA bars you are qualified to foreclose on mortgages.

Relatively straightforward legal regime, but it's litigation and you'll learn about FDCPA, deeds and mortgages, service of process, and how to talk to borrowers, their counsel, and your new clients (Banks, lenders, mortgage servicers, and the GSEs.) Opportunity to do a little estates and BK too. And if you're into that sort of thing, chance to go to court and win.

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nyctemp (Aug 17, 2017 - 8:40 am)

I was wondering if you can name a few of these firms. I'm looking for something similar.

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junkwired (Aug 17, 2017 - 8:55 am)

The only one I can name off the top of my head is Wilson Elser Moskowitz:
http://www.wilsonelser.com/

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nyctemp (Aug 17, 2017 - 12:22 pm)

Every time I see one of their job postings it seems like they want only attorneys with experience

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fettywap (Aug 16, 2017 - 11:39 am)

I know somebody who went back to school for her masters in public health administration. She looked for work for 2 years after obtaining that degree. Nothing. Finally got a crappy part-time job at the bar.

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mrtor (Aug 16, 2017 - 12:24 pm)

Like an MBA, an MPH is a toxic degree unless you are using it to advance mid-career. It's not an entry level credential like a JD. I think experienced managers who are already in the field with less education look at such degree holders quizzically. Either they're stupid or they're overly-academic. Neither type succeeds in the real world.

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bucwild (Aug 16, 2017 - 1:09 pm)

MPH != public health administration. MPH is fairly technical and statistics heavy. Everyone I know with the degree had multiple options upon graduation.

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karlfarbman (Aug 17, 2017 - 8:50 am)

Yeah I disagree as well. I know some people with this degree who easily had jobs upon graduating, but this was a number of years ago and in close proximity to fed gov and regulatory places, which I'm guessing helps. But at the OP's age getting one with a long history of unrelated work might look a little odd.

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onehell (Aug 17, 2017 - 2:44 pm)

OP, it sounds like you are thinking that having been in doc review all these years has caused your anxiety, when in reality it may be that your anxiety is what has kept you in doc review, which doesn't require really talking to anyone. Just sit and click. In other words, doc review is a symptom rather than a cause.

First of all, consider getting some help for the anxiety. There may be medication that could help you defeat the anxiety and therefore perform better in interviews, make friends and network, etc.

Also, you might want to consider a career change. I know you're older, but perhaps a coding bootcamp? Working with computers might appeal to your apparently introverted nature more than the law, plus the programs are brief and relatively cheap. Not saying you'd break into silicon valley or anything at your age, but concentrate on something like SQL and there are lots of flyover-land companies that have needs in the area of big databases and such, little social skill required.

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hmmmm (Aug 17, 2017 - 7:13 pm)

Good advice here. What state are you in? Do you have a throwaway email? Any interest in insurance claims or underwriting? If so, I'll email you.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 18, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

I'm not even sure what those things are, I'm more familiar with mortgage underwriting from reading about that in doc review. Just created an email for this formerlawyer@mail.com

thanks for any insights

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wutwutwut (Aug 18, 2017 - 4:19 pm)

In either case it's something you can do with only a BA, but you have to have a BA. But they don't care what it is. And I don't think having a JD will necessarily be a killer.

I know a few underwriters at big, national companies (e.g., Allstate, GEICO, State Farm) and they all seem to make fairly good money once out of their initial training phase. And it seems to be pretty low-stress, 9-5 only type work.

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hmmmm (Aug 19, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

I sent you an email. Yes there are still aol accounts ;)

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 21, 2017 - 5:12 pm)

Hi thanks, I got it, unfortunately when I set it up, it asked for my real name, now the email sends out my real name, defeating the point of it being a throw away email. ugh...

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nighthawk (Aug 18, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

OP, I disagree with your initial statement. Doc review is not a marketable skill so you should get out and try something else.

Have you put yourself out there? I do not mean applying to jobs that you do not have the credentials for; I mean doing something that will help your resume. Did you get ACAMs certified so you can do compliance work? Have you taken a course on wills so you can better draft one? Did you publish articles so you can present yourself as a strong writer?

There are things you can do. You can look for part-time work with the possibility of doing some doc review until you have solid footing. It seems to me that you have a comfort zone of being second rate. You need to get out of that comfort zone to be successful. I met many doc reviewers who were comfortable with financial stress and feeling like they are legal trash. They complain about it but will do nothing about getting out of their comfort zones.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 18, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

To nighthaw:

I honestly don't want to be a lawyer, so I haven't tried very hard. I'll look into ACAM certifications, not even sure what that is. I don't see how will drafting is going to help me since I not only don't want to be a lawyer, but I was never given a chance to be one. I did very limited writing on my "job", so I don't have much legal writing experience. I was an editor on my law review and my Note was published, many years ago. I did some vanity searches and I was cited in a casebook, and in a treatise, and in various law review articles, but I don't take much notice of this, as I am where i am right now.. I think you are right about comfort zones, I'm been almost exclusively applying for non legal jobs and have had no success at all. I am not concerned with success, I haven't been for a long time, I'm concerned with survival.

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nighthawk (Aug 18, 2017 - 3:20 pm)

To clarify my point, have you tried publishing anything recently? Have you tried to do anything recently that will make you more attractive? You submitted your resume with no success and keep submitting the same resume with doc review. Have you published something recently that will make people look that is not from law school 20 years ago or not relevant to your job? You can publish articles on your target job. If you want to work in mortgages then publish something related to mortgages. Show a future employer that you are well-versed in the subject even though you don't have practical experience. Show someone that you can walk in the door and have a conversation about a specific subject. Think about things from their perspective. Why should they hire you? What are you showing them, doc review skills? An article with your name in a publication about something relevant shows knowledge. To be blunt, you seem to have the "I am pathetic" doc review mentality. Get yourself out there.

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fettywap (Aug 21, 2017 - 4:15 pm)

I have an interview for a paralegal position at a mid-sized law firm. This would be doing complex business litigation. Pays about the same as what I make now. I didn't actually apply for this one. A temp agency I applied to a couple of years ago called me about it.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 21, 2017 - 5:14 pm)

That's interesting that they are considering you, but I wouldn't do it. i really want out of the profession, and a job like that would just be a reminder of my failure in this profession. Might be right for you, but just the reminder would bother me a lot

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 21, 2017 - 5:27 pm)

Just a rant: But for unemployment purposes I'm applying for lawyer jobs, usually from the usajobs website. I've found for any GS-11 type jobs they dismiss me as unqualified, where I get referred (though I won't get an actual interview) for GS13-14 jobs that I'm dangerously unqualified for ANd which usually require a top secret clearance, which I don't have. Anyone else find this? The closest to entry level jobs I can find, they dismiss me immediately.

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nighthawk (Aug 21, 2017 - 5:33 pm)

Why are you applying to lawyer jobs? There are other jobs out there.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 22, 2017 - 12:21 pm)

I know, I've tried applying for paperwork contract manager type jobs, can't get them. I'm not a veteran, though when they rejected me they said I was qualified, they just had to give the job to a veteran. I've applied for non lawyer jobs in my local government.. haven't heard a peep.. I've applied for legal editor positions, haven't heard a peep. I basically have to apply for entry level college grad jobs, because I have no marketable experience, and I'm 20 years older than recent college grads.

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wolfman (Aug 21, 2017 - 10:06 pm)

I don't know what to tell you, pal. I never really got a law job either, and am not even admitted. I work as a paralegal in a government legal office and pretty much feel like I screwed up my life; interestingly enough, I have little visible anxiety, and actually talk and interview well, but what's the use if you can't even get an interview for anything interesting or worthwhile, and have no skills to bring to the table? I went to a supposedly "good" (meaning, not good enough) LS and a supposedly stellar undergrad. No one cares.

Are you interested in stuff other than law, especially since you really seem not to like law? Try to focus on that somehow, life is too short to be miserable.

If you want to be a government paralegal, look into a state that has a competitive civil service testing system, and beat the crap out of that test. It's pretty low stress, although boring and dead end, but at least you get a steady pay check.

I take premed classes at night and dream of being some sort of a doctor or a dentist, but it'll probably never happen. Blood and guts don't bother me much, or rather I think I can handle even that which does bother me, but I am realistic, and know I wouldn't make it as a nurse - I think I would hate myself too much. If that's the end result, why not just stay a paralegal?

You know what Anton Chigurth said? If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule? Try to do things differently, maybe?

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 22, 2017 - 12:26 pm)

I'm open to anything, especially if it makes me marketable. I never want to have the anxiety again of losing my job and wondering if I'll be homeless.

I also thought about medical school, but my undergrad GPA wasn't high enough to even get into a post bac program, and now I'm really getting too old to even think about school.

When I was in law school, which wasn't a particularly good school, it was ranked better then than it is now, I got tons of interviews with big law. I just didn't get call backs. I had a high gpa, was in the top 5% of my class, on law review. So I was able to get interviews, just not callbacks nor offers. So I have severe problem, and that problem is me.. I wish I had done poorly.. I'm admitted in two jurisdictions, so I've got like $700 a year in bar dues and I've never practiced law a day in my life..

Are your premed classes at a community college? I might be able to afford some kind of courses, maybe for a radiography program, as someone else recommended.. But I looked it up and I'd need to take prereq courses even for that!

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uknownvalue (Aug 22, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

I once looked into a Masters of Accounting Program. Most classes are offered during evening hours and with few pre-requisites. Also - any reputable program will permit you to sit for the CPA.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 22, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

I'd imagine for an Masters you'd have needed undergrad accounting, which I don't have. My freaking undergrad degree is worthless too.

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uknownvalue (Aug 22, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

Your undergrad degree is irrelevant. Most programs require 1 college math class and maybe a GRE / GMAT (maybe not since you have a JD).

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wolfman (Aug 22, 2017 - 4:29 pm)

To answer your questions, my coursework is at a four-year school, via their extension/continuing ed program (i.,e., night school). Relatively inexpensive, but far from easy and very time-consuming; I'm about 3/4 done, and it's been quite a struggle, to say the least. My grades reflect that :-(, and while I've persevered, largely out of sheer bloody-mindedness, I'm reluctant to recommend it to others. Before you invest in something like a radiography/sonography, etc. tech program, try to get good unbiased info. re career prospects; the scam is not limited to law (not saying these programs are scams, just a general provision). You can certainly take pre-reqs for stuff like that at a community college; I did not, largely because medical/dental schools do not, as a rule, accept cc classes for pre-reqs.

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wolfman (Aug 22, 2017 - 4:36 pm)

Another thought OP: are you unemployed or can you plausibly claim to be? There are programs in NY that train unemployed/poor people for tech/IT careers and it's FREE. Yes, you may be in a room, at least initially, with prison inmates and ghetto youth, but these programs do exist in NYC, and I imagine in other urban areas as well. Google "Per Scholas" for an example. You are likely to be severely discriminated against for being older and for being a white American (assuming that's what you are; if you aren't, then it will be easier), but it is something to check out...

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thirdtierlaw (Aug 22, 2017 - 4:40 pm)

If he is doing doc review, I bet he can claim to be unemployed if he times it right. I wish my State offered something like this.

It's also the main reason I'm hoping my state jumps on the bandwagon of allowing residents to attend community college for free. Just keep taking classes.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 22, 2017 - 4:48 pm)

I'd imagine these "free" community college degrees are only for people without degrees, not for second degrees.

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qdllc (Aug 22, 2017 - 12:29 pm)

I wish I had good advice. I chose not to practice, and my JD (and a lousy economy) has cut off most non-law opportunities from me.

Going a different direction can be done, but you have to fight to make it happen. Self-employment or starting your own business is the most likely path. Employers are too keen to pre-judge based on your resume.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 22, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

Do you think they'll care if I said in a cover letter that I'm making a career change? Most people change careers, why is it so much harder for "lawyers" to do this? I wish I could start my own business, I really do, but I have absolutely no money. I can't even afford to live on my own. It's that bad.

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qdllc (Aug 22, 2017 - 3:38 pm)

You can certainly try that, but my impression is that they keep thinking you'll go back to practicing law. That, or they don't want someone who thinks like a lawyer.

I know one guy to went in a different direction, but that probably had more to do with a drug addiction problem and being disbarred as a consequence. Hence nobody could believe he could quit and go back to practicing law.

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fettywap (Aug 22, 2017 - 4:22 pm)

Write it up as a document management job and leave the JD off altogether. You'll probably only get interviews for lower-paying jobs, but I guess the current job doesn't pay anyway.

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sanka (Aug 22, 2017 - 2:12 pm)

The Scarlet Letter by author Nathaniel Hawthorne.

Try scrubbing that scarlet JD from that interwebby thingy. No, it's there for cyberspace eternity.

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secondcareerlawyer (Aug 22, 2017 - 2:21 pm)

For doc review you can try applying to management jobs in India or the Philippines. Alternately what about go down the accounting road?

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 27, 2017 - 8:29 pm)

Well, I don't think I have management in me, I guess my anxiety is too bad. Lost my job because they knew I wasn't going to be a project manager.. I'd have go back to college to do accounting, I already spent $250,000 on my education. I guess at some point I'll have to go back to school to have any chance of getting more than a mininum wage job.. I guess I'm still in denial. Kind of hard to accept that I have two worthless degrees already,and did will undergrad and in law school.

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