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Would you take this job?

Friend of mine has been doing foreign language doc review fo 2breedbares08/24/17
A) what's the opportunity? B) what's his ambition? C) what dingbat08/24/17
Not sure of ambition, not sure he knows. Language is Japanes 2breedbares08/24/17
I agree. Once all litigation in his market cease, he'll be S isthisit08/24/17
I don't know if it's obvious he should take the government j thirdtierlaw08/24/17
He already has over 2 years of living expenses saved up. He 2breedbares08/24/17
I did something similar. Monkey work is monkey work. He shou triplesix08/24/17
Why go from 200K to 55K? The employment situation for att doublefriedchicken08/24/17
Seconded. People thought asbestos work would dry up decades mrtor08/24/17
Government (and especially state govt) is even more of a dea uzername08/24/17
How so? I make six figures in state gov. 2breedbares08/24/17
This guy likely isn't interested because he is making around wolfman08/24/17
depends on your situation, but i would not give up 200k for legalbeagle08/25/17
It's more like giving up a potential 100k versus guaranteed 2breedbares08/25/17
well, that may make a difference then... I thought he was on wolfman08/25/17
2breedbares (Aug 24, 2017 - 12:49 pm)

Friend of mine has been doing foreign language doc review for 3 years or so, making around 100 an hour full time. He has an opportunity to go to a low level attorney position in my agency and will take a huge paycut obviously (like making maybe 55k or 60k). I told him it was worth taking because foreign language doc review is going to dry up once some litigation ends and it's a good opportunity to reset now that his loans are all paid off and he can gain some substantive skills. He has very little interest in the opportunity though. Dumb?

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dingbat (Aug 24, 2017 - 12:54 pm)

A) what's the opportunity?
B) what's his ambition?
C) what's the language?

He could be perfectly happy doing doc review forever and a day, and if he's been doing doc review for 3 years, he hopefully has the connections to keep doing doc review forever. There may be a pay cut if he switches to english, but at least it's a rut he's familiar with

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2breedbares (Aug 24, 2017 - 1:19 pm)

Not sure of ambition, not sure he knows. Language is Japanese. Opportunity is to join legal dept of govt agency in specialized field, think attorney general office but specific to an agency. I note that he had to run to east coast because all Japanese doc review dried up in the Bay Area.

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isthisit (Aug 24, 2017 - 1:19 pm)

I agree. Once all litigation in his market cease, he'll be SOL.

He should take the agency gig.

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thirdtierlaw (Aug 24, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

I don't know if it's obvious he should take the government job. If he wants to be practicing attorney it may make sense. It'll allow him to get some experience and have some job security. But we are talking a huge pay cut. If he is actually receiving a full-time number of hours, he can work half a year and make double what he'd get for a full year of work at the gov agency.

I've never done doc review, but my understanding is that it is mindless and boring. So the idea of making a quarter of what he is making now and dramatically increasing his stress level must be daunting.

This is especially true if his loans are already paid off. I have to imagine that a person fluent in Japanese and a law degree would be somewhat competitive for nonlegal positions as well. So even if his doc review work dries up and he can't do English doc review, if he saves his money over the next year, he'll have almost 2.5 years to find a job and end up in the exact same position financially.

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2breedbares (Aug 24, 2017 - 1:48 pm)

He already has over 2 years of living expenses saved up. He just chooses to do doc review because of the reasons you stated - easy work, good pay. But when he was laid off, he freaked out. I figure this would be a good transition for him because he seems to value stability.

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triplesix (Aug 24, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

I did something similar. Monkey work is monkey work. He should jump since jap doc review is on down hill.

I doubt he will feel good doing English review which is whole another level of monkey work.

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doublefriedchicken (Aug 24, 2017 - 3:22 pm)

Why go from 200K to 55K?

The employment situation for attorneys is probably going to get marginally better over time. He just needs to milk the Jap doc review as long as it lasts. The next job will be there.

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mrtor (Aug 24, 2017 - 3:41 pm)

Seconded. People thought asbestos work would dry up decades ago. While it is declining, it is still a lucrative practice for many attorneys. There is virtually no way to definitively predict how quickly any given field will contract.

Your buddy is making top dollar doing easy work. I agree that he should milk it as long as possible. That government position will demand far more and pay far less. In fact, given most government pay scales, your friend would probably never make more than a fraction of what he earned in doc review.

Many multilingual people can pick up other languages fairly easily too. He may be able to diversify into other high-paying foreign language doc reviews if needed. If your buddy is creative enough, and willing to hustle, he will be able to find a way out of doc review if things collapse in the future.

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uzername (Aug 24, 2017 - 3:50 pm)

Government (and especially state govt) is even more of a dead-end than doc review.

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2breedbares (Aug 24, 2017 - 3:55 pm)

How so? I make six figures in state gov.

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wolfman (Aug 24, 2017 - 10:02 pm)

This guy likely isn't interested because he is making around 200k, is putting money aside, and is being offered a "chance" to literally give up 3/4 of his salary... for what? "Stability" and "career" LOL. I'll take 200k right now, as someone who makes 55k in govt, and ride that train as long as it lasts. Salary stagnation means he'll barely crack six figs in his govt. career unless this area of law is something special... the best "stability" in your career is money; if he can get consistent DR work and make 200k (or even 120-150), he is doing better than lots of lawyers (not to mention most other people).

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legalbeagle (Aug 25, 2017 - 10:44 am)

depends on your situation, but i would not give up 200k for 55.

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2breedbares (Aug 25, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

It's more like giving up a potential 100k versus guaranteed 55k. His long term project ended and he's been on a couple 1 or 2 week projects here and there.

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wolfman (Aug 25, 2017 - 1:37 pm)

well, that may make a difference then... I thought he was on a steady long-term gig

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