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Social Security Administration Interview

First, I thank everyone here who has posted information rega kramer71608/28/17
Love reading the Glass Door. Fun analyzing which 90% of the sanka08/28/17
I interviewed twice. I think mine were around an hour and a downwardslope08/28/17
Was the recent one the 30-minute one? I think they were sett kramer71608/28/17
How was the interview? jdmaryland08/28/17
It's today at 5 PM, so knock on wood. Hope it goes well. See kramer71608/29/17
Yes, I think 30 minutes is typical. My hour one was in perso downwardslope08/29/17
Appreciate it. Yeah this interview is just for that one offi kramer71608/29/17
Good luck! Mine have been around 1 hour each, the first 30 jdmaryland08/29/17
Thank you. Yeah I am organizing all my notes now, and hopefu kramer71608/29/17
I interviewed with the Woodlawn office maybe a year ago. It oolong08/29/17
I will probably call five minutes early, so hope that isn't kramer71608/29/17
My interview was a little different. The time allotted was bananajd08/29/17
The AA position goes to GS-12. Right now there are no senior downwardslope08/29/17
Curious, why is advancement limited to GS12? I'm reading the notreallyalawyer08/29/17
Sorry to take over your thread, but I'm getting curious abou notreallyalawyer08/29/17
No need to apologize for taking over the thread. I talked kramer71608/29/17
Good luck! perkinwarbeck08/29/17
Apparently, this isn't the final interview, I was told if I kramer71608/29/17
Face to face? Aren't you on the other coast??? Do they have downwardslope08/29/17
I think it is Skype. Anyway, not jinxing it. First, have to kramer71608/29/17
Did they get references from you yet? Or does that come afte oddis50008/29/17
When they sent me a confirmation e-mail which gave the inter kramer71608/29/17
Is this an NCAC or an NHC? This sounds awfully intense. I b downwardslope08/29/17
It is an NCAC kramer71608/29/17
I agree downward, this sounds totally different than my inte oddis50008/29/17
Yay! I'm special:) It sounds totally different from everyone kramer71608/29/17
I'm thinking it might have something to do with Richmond bei oddis50008/29/17
Out of curiosity, different how? They can call my references kramer71608/29/17
Well I've interviewed for two different offices, and I perso oddis50008/29/17
Ah, gotcha. I know an attorney advisor who works in Michigan kramer71608/29/17
That happened to me, unfortunately. I applied to a job last downwardslope08/29/17
Honestly, if they do that, I'd just as soon not work for the oddis50008/29/17
Take this for what it's worth. I talked to my friend who wor kramer71608/30/17
So you had no judge or hearing office directors in your inte downwardslope08/30/17
I think they were senior paralegal specialists. They ran the kramer71608/30/17
NCAC in Woodlawn/Falls church extended their deadline again jdmaryland08/30/17
They apparently are not fans of mine. I sent my stuff into t kramer71608/30/17
Richmond is conducting phone interviews this Saturday. On a oddis50008/30/17
I am hoping that is still the first round. In the email, the kramer71608/30/17
How many people are they hiring? Did the entire office go on downwardslope08/31/17
Not sure on the numbers, but it does seem like a lot. I am g kramer71608/31/17
I think the NCACs are new, so if people went on the transfer downwardslope08/31/17
They were looking for 20 in both falls choices and Woodlawn jdmaryland08/31/17
I don't think Richmond is to the point of using a timed writ kramer71608/31/17
The only question that stood out to me was based on ethics. diblawyer08/31/17
I haven't heard anything regarding offers yet. Did you inter kramer71608/31/17
I was just checking my law school website for listings to se downwardslope09/03/17
I wonder how set they are on the October 2nd start date. If kramer71609/03/17
So I was told that the October 2nd date is still on, and tha oddis50009/03/17
Appreciate it. This week should be interesting. kramer71609/04/17
Is this how America turn to be? Getting a job in Social Secu mrlollipop09/04/17
nobody wants government jobs in the 1970s because everyone w sanka09/07/17
Government jobs truly are the holy grail. Guaranteed check e joshdoctson09/04/17
I think most people in private practice get paid every 2 wee loblawyer09/04/17
Not every government job is straight 9-5. There are plenty t downwardslope09/04/17
Co-sign. I was working 7 to 6:30 some days and coming in on kramer71609/04/17
"Government jobs truly are the holy grail." Quite depress mrlollipop09/04/17
Where else do you expect to make six figures while working 4 joshdoctson09/04/17
It's been a week, so I emailed the contact they told me to c kramer71609/05/17
Seems like you are passed over. Move on mrlollipop09/05/17
It's possible, but I want a definitive no before moving on kramer71609/05/17
I know Richmond offered at least one person today. They gave oddis50009/05/17
Any idea when she interviewed? I was given an emergency cont kramer71609/05/17
Yea this person interviewed a couple of weeks ago. She said oddis50009/05/17
They did say I would start October 2nd, or at least that wou kramer71609/05/17
Well I believe there was ANOTHER group that is starting the oddis50009/05/17
It is appreciated. I am still waiting to hear when they want kramer71609/05/17
I checked my school's Symplicity again and it was updated ye downwardslope09/06/17
The update is greatly appreciated. kramer71609/06/17
No problem! Best of luck. If I hear anything else I'll let oddis50009/05/17
Best of luck everyone. I received an offer this morning for diblawyer09/07/17
I'd probably kill to be in a dilemma like yours. Congrats on notreallyalawyer09/07/17
I can empathize. I did not even apply to this position until downwardslope09/07/17
It's hard to take a position like this when you are already diblawyer09/07/17
Is the new location somewhere you'd be happy enough to live? wutwutwut09/07/17
Congratulations! Out of curiosity, and not asking specifical kramer71609/07/17
It's in the south west region. The start date is 9/17 still. diblawyer09/07/17
Wow. That is insane. They tried that in my office and appare downwardslope09/07/17
Congratulations once again. I think I know the office that i kramer71609/07/17
Do it! I took the plunge into the Feds (1102) last summ lawrunner31709/07/17
I think AAs can go on the transfer list after a year if they downwardslope09/07/17
Hey can you tell me about what 1102 work is like, how much y notreallyalawyer09/07/17
kramer716, you ever hear back from Richmond about your secon oddis50009/08/17
No to Richmond. I expect to hear about that first thing next kramer71609/08/17
Thanks thanks. I really wish we had a forum/thread where we oddis50009/08/17
The other thread is pretty good about that. I try to figure kramer71609/08/17
Just keep in mind that many slots are being filled slowly no downwardslope09/09/17
Oh ok, at least that gives us some hope. Thanks for letting oddis50009/09/17
Appreciate the information. I am less panicked about the 9/3 kramer71609/09/17
Hey Everyone, As downwardslope indicated that the deadlin jjamison750409/09/17
Hey jjamison7504, I think what he's talking about getting de oddis50009/09/17
For USAJOBS the Richmond opening closed a while ago. Downwar kramer71609/09/17
I didn't get the position. No idea why I didn't get the posi kramer71609/11/17
Oh no, man I'm sorry to hear about that. This was for the Ri oddis50009/11/17
It was for the Richmond position. No to the second Skype int kramer71609/11/17
That seems pretty inconsiderate to have a second interview s oddis50009/11/17
I just received an email saying I was referred for an HHS jo kramer71609/11/17
That is strange, especially since my law school website indi downwardslope09/11/17
Just extremely frustrated at this point. I appreciate the we kramer71609/11/17
I submitted probably over 200 applications to federal jobs a downwardslope09/12/17
Yeah I am probably around 70 applications at this point. I h kramer71609/12/17
If you'd like to feel any better, I've submitted about 70 ap notreallyalawyer09/12/17
I appreciate the attempt, but still feel like crap. Good luc kramer71609/12/17
I hope I'm wrong, but It's been my experience that when they oddis50009/11/17
You are probably correct. I am planning on doc review or ano kramer71609/11/17
Do you know how much these positions pay? Is it GS-11? I app petunia09/13/17
There is no room to negotiate unless you are already a feder downwardslope09/13/17
The ones I've applied for are GS-12. I can't imagine anyone oddis50009/13/17
You apparently haven't had much doc review experience then l petunia09/13/17
Haha no I haven't. But I admire the folks who are willing to oddis50009/13/17
Don't beat yourself up so much, Kramer. Could have been som wutwutwut09/14/17
Revival of the year... apparently Albuquerque is STILL inter downwardslope09/25/17
HA! May have to drop the hiring contact a line. kramer71609/25/17
I also received the official rejection email for Richmond. W kramer71609/25/17
Sounds like you dodged a billet. Way too expensive there. downwardslope09/25/17
I appreciate the kind words, but I would have taken that job kramer71609/25/17
Well, you are correct. Just got a call from the Albuquerque kramer71609/25/17
Good luck! Hopefully it works out for you. downwardslope09/25/17
It is appreciated. kramer71609/25/17
I imagine Albuquerque would be a superior location. Much che downwardslope09/25/17
It would be, plus they have a ton of gyms out that way. An A kramer71609/25/17
It seems more legit than a senior case tech setting it up. downwardslope09/25/17
It does. Just hope this interview is with an ALJ or someone kramer71609/26/17
In my office it is usually the hearing office chief ALJ and downwardslope09/26/17
What time do you go today? downwardslope09/27/17
Watch out for that ethics question. Good luck. diblawyer09/26/17
I went at 11 AM. Interview lasted 40 minutes. They said they kramer71609/27/17
Hope you get it- that sounds like it went well brownbear09/27/17
Sounds much more promising than the last one! Hope it works downwardslope09/27/17
Thank you. It would be nice. They seemed decent enough, but kramer71609/27/17
I know they are checking my references, so looks like I jump kramer71609/28/17
I heard from one of my references that they plan on making a kramer71609/29/17
It is the last business day of the fiscal year today. Hope y brownbear09/29/17
I appreciate it. No news yet. kramer71609/29/17
kramer716, you have grit and determination. I am rooting fo blackholelaw09/29/17
It is appreciated. No news yet. kramer71609/29/17
It took SSA three weeks to communicate a formal offer. On we diblawyer09/30/17
I would be fine with that if they keep me in the loop. They kramer71610/02/17
Good luck kramer716. I am waiting as well. Hopefully we bo trophy201710/02/17
Hopefully today is the day for both of you!!! downwardslope10/02/17
Thank you. How did they do the offer with you? Did they send kramer71610/02/17
GOod luck to you as well. Since it seems they are in a time kramer71610/02/17
I got a call followed by an email with a confirmation of sta downwardslope10/02/17
Thank you. Hopefully the phone rings soon. kramer71610/02/17
Any news? downwardslope10/02/17
Nope. Didn't hear a thing, so hoping I am not the only one kramer71610/02/17
You are not the only one. They called my references so I re trophy201710/03/17
This has been a weird process, and by that I mean I was told kramer71610/03/17
That's exactly what happened to me as well. I was hopin trophy201710/03/17
Best of luck! Today could be the day! oddis50009/29/17
It appears today is not the day. I am wondering if they are kramer71609/29/17
good luck wolfman09/29/17
Thank you. kramer71609/29/17
I also interviewed with Albuquerque this week. Good luck to trophy201709/29/17
I also interviewed with Albuquerque this week. Good luck to trophy201709/29/17
Good luck to you as well. If you hear anything please let me kramer71609/29/17
Any news? downwardslope09/29/17
Nope, but glad to hear I am not the only one kramer71609/29/17
Sounds like they must be making calls next week then. I thi downwardslope09/30/17
Not a word. trophy201709/29/17
It took me six weeks AFTER they called my references to actu oddis50009/29/17
I did for another non-SSA job. You never know. It was offere downwardslope09/29/17
It sounded like they were hiring multiple people, so hopeful kramer71609/29/17
I worked as an SSA attorney a few years ago (DC area). They jacque3009/29/17
How did you like the job? oddis50009/29/17
It worked for me. I was in a unique division in the DC area jacque3010/01/17
I'm transitioning from private practice at a SS firm to an A diblawyer10/02/17
It is appreciated. I had a slightly similar experience as yo kramer71609/29/17
Hi all, Just wanted to update this thread as it and the oth oolong10/03/17
Excellent information and congratulations on the job! When d kramer71610/03/17
It was right in the middle. Wednesday oolong10/03/17
Ah. Hopefully, the good people of Albuquerque do the same th kramer71610/03/17
It took ABQ all of three weeks to make a formal offer. On we diblawyer10/03/17
I appreciate the information. When you interviewed, did they kramer71610/03/17
They gave me a definite date they wanted me to start during diblawyer10/03/17
Congrats! Beware that they will tell you that official train downwardslope10/03/17
If I am fortunate enough to be selected for this position, a kramer71610/03/17
We have the Christmas story exclusively on at Christmas in m oolong10/03/17
We don't do the full 24-hours. Our routine is we always go t kramer71610/03/17
Congrats! Was this near Cherry Hill by any chance? petunia10/03/17
Newark oolong10/03/17
How did you get hired at gs 12? lawst10/03/17
That was the standard gs if you had any legal experience and oolong10/04/17
That is not the case elsewhere. I know tons of GS-11s with t downwardslope10/04/17
Yeah the interview I turned down in Atlanta was for gs-11. I oolong10/04/17
Still no news. I am hoping I am not the only one. Just wante kramer71610/04/17
Dang; sorry man. Every time I see there's a new post in thr inho2solo10/04/17
It is appreciated. This position with Albuquerque keeps bein kramer71610/04/17
I haven't heard anything either. You're not alone. trophy201710/04/17
I have heard it is not looking good to make any hires. It ma downwardslope10/04/17
Wow. Not surprised though. The entire process seemed rushed. trophy201710/04/17
Apparently the backlog is so bad there are plans to hire hun downwardslope10/04/17
From what they said they were allocated some money to do thi kramer71610/04/17
Unfortunately in government they get allocated money and the downwardslope10/05/17
If that is the case, I just wish they would communicate it i trophy201710/05/17
It very well may be the case that we are getting the runarou kramer71610/05/17
Yes, we shall see. Good luck Kramer716! trophy201710/05/17
They may not know. I had a coworker wait for months on an in downwardslope10/05/17
I call this position or the process, the Friday the 13th of kramer71610/05/17
FYI. Looks like they made their final decisions RE: ABQ and throwaway123432110/10/17
Congrats. I hope one day in my life before I do I ever ge notreallyalawyer10/10/17
Congratulations on the offer. I am up for a job in San Franc kramer71610/12/17

kramer716 (Aug 28, 2017 - 11:17 am)

First, I thank everyone here who has posted information regarding the hiring process for the SSA. Those three threads have been an excellent source of information, even if most of it was bad news, so thankful and relieved that I have an opportunity to interview for a position tomorrow.

I wanted to start a new thread just concentrated on the interview and what happens after, so it will be easier for everyone to research in the future.

I asked about questions in the other thread and was told to check Glassdoor. So far that has been a solid resource. If you have been interviewed before, how long was your interview? I have seen ten to fifteen minutes, but those posts were from a couple of years ago. Does that seem accurate to you? Do you remember any question that appeared to be a landmine that I should research? Were you able to get a read on the people interviewing either way, or is pretty much a poker face, or in this case, poker voice?

After the interview, do they ask for fingerprints immediately or does that take a week or two? It seems they want people hired by 9/30, so I would assume the hiring process is compressed and they will want to do things quickly.

Don't want to anger the interview Gods, so working on the assumption that I probably won't get the position, but hope I am wrong. Just trying to lower expectations. Thank you again for all your help, and hopefully if you ever out on the West Coast I will get you a drink, or IN-N-Out burger which I still have yet to try.

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sanka (Aug 28, 2017 - 11:24 am)

Love reading the Glass Door. Fun analyzing which 90% of the posts are boot-licking sycophants, and which 10% are from actual wage-slaves.

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downwardslope (Aug 28, 2017 - 11:52 am)

I interviewed twice. I think mine were around an hour and a little over 30 minutes. I recommended Glassdoor as a resource but not everyone will find that helpful. I know people who did not have scripted interviews. I imagine that will be scripted. However they may vary depending on the environment.

I got my fingerprint card 5 days after my interview. They had to overnight it.

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kramer716 (Aug 28, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

Was the recent one the 30-minute one? I think they were setting up interviews on the hour, so 30 minutes makes sense

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jdmaryland (Aug 28, 2017 - 7:47 pm)

How was the interview?

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:40 am)

It's today at 5 PM, so knock on wood. Hope it goes well. Seems like 30 minutes is the norm

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downwardslope (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:25 am)

Yes, I think 30 minutes is typical. My hour one was in person. The 30 minute one had some issues with an unauthorized caller so we all had to leave and come back in, which added to the length. It was also for several offices, so it took everyone a while to introduce themselves and the offices.

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:38 am)

Appreciate it. Yeah this interview is just for that one office, so 30 minutes seems about right.

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jdmaryland (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:30 am)

Good luck! Mine have been around 1 hour each, the first 30 min were structured interview questions and the last 30 on my questions for them. I found that Glassdoor covers many of the structured behavioral questions so maybe prep some answers based on those. Give examples of your ability to be efficient when faced with high volume tasks. Also be prepared to ask questions of your own at the end. You have obviously done your research. Best of luck!

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:39 am)

Thank you. Yeah I am organizing all my notes now, and hopefully it goes well, but we shall see.

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oolong (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:38 am)

I interviewed with the Woodlawn office maybe a year ago. It was a phone interview. Lasted 30 mins, was given 5 scripted questions by a panel. I actually called in early and they were discussing the previous candidate so I heard them scoring him on a scale of 1-5 before I interrupted to let them know I was there.

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 3:04 pm)

I will probably call five minutes early, so hope that isn't an issue with them.

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bananajd (Aug 29, 2017 - 11:49 am)

My interview was a little different. The time allotted was 3 hours but I believe it actually ended up taking about 2.5 hours. There was a timed writing test and then an interview portion which was scripted. Good luck!

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downwardslope (Aug 29, 2017 - 2:43 pm)

The AA position goes to GS-12. Right now there are no senior attorney positions available or other advancement opportunities other than group supervisor or hearing office director due to the backlog. That might change if they get the backlog addressed and can start hiring senior attorneys again, who are gs-13. The only option now is to move to the OGC if you want to remain an attorney. Obviously those are in limited locations.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 29, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

Curious, why is advancement limited to GS12? I'm reading the Glassdoor reviews for SSA AA positions and most people say you can't advance past GS 12 and only one person said you can't advance past GS13.

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notreallyalawyer (Aug 29, 2017 - 12:16 pm)

Sorry to take over your thread, but I'm getting curious about interviews in the theoretical chance I should actually get one. Did they at all base the questions on your experience, or were they just canned questions? I've been reading the questions from the SSA on AA positions on glass door and some of the questions they ask, I'd literally have to say "I've never done that before".. I haven't done any legal research since I was in law school, maybe a little bit at the firm I used to work at when I didn't have anything billable to work on. I technically did do it, but I can't even remember what it was on, so I wouldn't be able to say anything..

Unfortunately I'm not very quick on my feet when under stress, so I would totally bomb questions like that. If anything I would just say I would mention my law review note.. I did substantial research on a topic before I was even a lawyer.. That's the best I can do, and I honestly cannot remember much about that either, it's been 17 years since I wrote it.

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

No need to apologize for taking over the thread.

I talked to one of my friends who is in the SSA, different office though. She said most of the interview will probably be quality v. quantity questions. What do you do when you are swamped etc.? Also, try to work in the words public service as much as possible. Interview is two hours away, but will post an update when it's over.

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perkinwarbeck (Aug 29, 2017 - 4:53 pm)

Good luck!

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 5:36 pm)

Apparently, this isn't the final interview, I was told if I advanced I will doing a face-to-face in the next couple of weeks, and if I am offered then I will have a start date October 2nd.

As for questions, it was everything I prepped for. How do you handle conflict? How do you handle your work being critiqued? How do you balance a busy caseload AKA quality v. quantity?

A bit let down that this isn't the final interview, but candidacy not dead. Just thought this was it. They project a start date of October 2nd, so everything should be done by then, anyway.

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downwardslope (Aug 29, 2017 - 6:37 pm)

Face to face? Aren't you on the other coast??? Do they have a skype option?

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:09 pm)

I think it is Skype. Anyway, not jinxing it. First, have to get the email saying I advanced to that phase. I think the interview went well, but who the hell knows

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oddis500 (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:15 pm)

Did they get references from you yet? Or does that come after the second interview?

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:32 pm)

When they sent me a confirmation e-mail which gave the interview time, they asked for two writing samples and my references, so they have everything now

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downwardslope (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:51 pm)

Is this an NCAC or an NHC? This sounds awfully intense. I believe for my first (in-person) interview a while back I did send a writing sample but this time it was not requested. They just asked about it during the reference check.

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:55 pm)

It is an NCAC

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oddis500 (Aug 29, 2017 - 8:58 pm)

I agree downward, this sounds totally different than my interviews. I interviewed for a second office on Wednesday .They called my references on Thursday. Now radio silence again. No second interview discussed. I know someone else who, interviewed in Richmond, and his experience seems quite different than Kramer's and they were telling him they expected the new hires to start 9/18.

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:02 pm)

Yay! I'm special:) It sounds totally different from everyone else's experience I have come across. I am fine with it if I am hired, but if not then, yeah, won't be happy

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oddis500 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:06 pm)

I'm thinking it might have something to do with Richmond being a little different type of office than most SSA offices (so I'm told). Surely these people are going to call our current employers whether or not they actually offer us haha. That would be extremely awkward.

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:15 pm)

Out of curiosity, different how? They can call my references. I have no issue there. I am curious if they will do it now or if they do it after my 2nd interview, assuming I have a second interview

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oddis500 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:30 pm)

Well I've interviewed for two different offices, and I personally know two other people who have interviewed for 1 each (one being Richmond as I said). All of our experiences have been fairly different-some lasted considerably longer, some asked for a second writing example, one called references before their second interview, one never asked for references at all. One apparently called multiple references, then didn't hire him apparently (my biggest concern, as my current employer doesn't know I"m looking to leave).

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kramer716 (Aug 29, 2017 - 9:34 pm)

Ah, gotcha. I know an attorney advisor who works in Michigan, and I told her about the process. She was mystified as well, so it should be an interesting week. If I don't hear anything by Wednesday next week, then may have to head back to the islands

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downwardslope (Aug 29, 2017 - 10:40 pm)

That happened to me, unfortunately. I applied to a job last year and the reference check was as intense as the interview (25-30 minutes with 3 references) and they hired internally. I was so mad. My supervisor did not know I was looking.

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oddis500 (Aug 29, 2017 - 11:17 pm)

Honestly, if they do that, I'd just as soon not work for them. That either shows complete incompetence or you're just a POS.

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kramer716 (Aug 30, 2017 - 3:22 pm)

Take this for what it's worth. I talked to my friend who works for SSA. She said she was told that they will do a follow-up interview when no one with hiring authority is available to do the first round. She was told it's a rarity that this happens, but not unheard of. So, we shall see what happens. Again, thank you for everyone's help with the process.

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downwardslope (Aug 30, 2017 - 3:26 pm)

So you had no judge or hearing office directors in your interview?

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kramer716 (Aug 30, 2017 - 3:28 pm)

I think they were senior paralegal specialists. They ran their unit, but not a director or judge.

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jdmaryland (Aug 30, 2017 - 3:56 pm)

NCAC in Woodlawn/Falls church extended their deadline again to Sept 5

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kramer716 (Aug 30, 2017 - 5:31 pm)

They apparently are not fans of mine. I sent my stuff into that opening when it was first posted on here, and I have heard crickets. Ah well, hopefully Richmond comes through

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oddis500 (Aug 30, 2017 - 10:50 pm)

Richmond is conducting phone interviews this Saturday. On a holiday weekend... I know we keep saying it, but I've never seen anything like this process.

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kramer716 (Aug 30, 2017 - 11:11 pm)

I am hoping that is still the first round. In the email, they sent me the office gave me the option of being interviewed anywhere between August 29th and September 1st, but if they are still doing phone interviews, I would assume it is still the first round. If they want to start the new hires October 2nd, then have to think they would do 2nd round next week and then the processing the couple weeks after that. Anyway, hope I am still in the running.

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downwardslope (Aug 31, 2017 - 8:49 am)

How many people are they hiring? Did the entire office go on the xfer list to other offices or something?

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kramer716 (Aug 31, 2017 - 9:04 am)

Not sure on the numbers, but it does seem like a lot. I am guessing it's a mix of not liking the work and cost of living which is driving them out of the office, but that is pure opinion on my part.

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downwardslope (Aug 31, 2017 - 9:20 am)

I think the NCACs are new, so if people went on the transfer list, it could mean a lot of people leaving at one time for more reasonably priced areas.

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jdmaryland (Aug 31, 2017 - 9:25 am)

They were looking for 20 in both falls choices and Woodlawn and were initially disappointed with the pool of applicants. My understanding is many writers had left for the VA because of opportunity to advance. The positions are more competitive than in the past and they are now using a timed writing test to weed out candidates who may not be strong writers.

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kramer716 (Aug 31, 2017 - 11:37 am)

I don't think Richmond is to the point of using a timed writing test, but I didn't think I would have to do a second interview, so what do I know.

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diblawyer (Aug 31, 2017 - 4:48 pm)

The only question that stood out to me was based on ethics. I think it was a whistleblower type of question. Has anyone dealt with offers yet? I was recently told at the interview that pay was X with no negotiation. However, the job announcement gave a range for GS 11... Any insight?

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kramer716 (Aug 31, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

I haven't heard anything regarding offers yet. Did you interview for the Richmond office? Did they tell you there is a second interview?

I have heard the same thing about salary. The SSA will give you what they will pay you, and that's it. I didn't get the whistleblower question. I think they just recorded my answers to play for an ALJ later.

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downwardslope (Sep 3, 2017 - 9:10 am)

I was just checking my law school website for listings to send to a friend and it looks like the Richmond closing date was extended until Monday (apparently they don't realize it is a holiday). I don't know whether that means it might be a few more days before they do the 2nd round.

There is no negotiation unless you had a federal position previously, and then they will typically work with you.

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kramer716 (Sep 3, 2017 - 8:17 pm)

I wonder how set they are on the October 2nd start date. If they are, then I hope they stick with the schedule. I just want to know either way, so hopefully next week

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oddis500 (Sep 3, 2017 - 9:57 pm)

So I was told that the October 2nd date is still on, and that it is for out of town hires. Local hires are starting 9/18. I think you have a legit shot on this one. Best of luck!

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kramer716 (Sep 4, 2017 - 12:08 am)

Appreciate it. This week should be interesting.

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mrlollipop (Sep 4, 2017 - 12:00 am)

Is this how America turn to be? Getting a job in Social Security Administration is like getting a job in Mckinsey. My father told me nobody wants government jobs in the 1970s

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sanka (Sep 7, 2017 - 11:01 am)

nobody wants government jobs in the 1970s because everyone was smoking weed, and the FBI was fighting illegal weed.

Now illegal drug use is more clearly defined for pre hire background investigation.

Still, silicon valley druggies have no interest in a government job.

High echelon hires. With fraudulent tax returns, illegal nannies, etc., are another story.

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joshdoctson (Sep 4, 2017 - 10:59 am)

Government jobs truly are the holy grail. Guaranteed check every two weeks, long vacations, 40 hour work weeks. I basically have forced myself to have a hobby now that I'm not worried about after hour calls from clients. The best part about the job is that you can completely forget about it after signing off.

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loblawyer (Sep 4, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I think most people in private practice get paid every 2 weeks - let's not over do it. Government work is certainly solid for the benefits and straight 9-5, drop everything at 5pm. But the income trajectory is very limited.

I think JDU overrates most government jobs but again, we don't have the same crop of posters as autoadmit or wall street oasis. Guess it's all relative.

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downwardslope (Sep 4, 2017 - 12:01 pm)

Not every government job is straight 9-5. There are plenty that have insane hours just like the private sector. At my last job my supervisor told me she pretty much expected me to work 11-12 hours a day. I never got any raises aside from a puddly $1K one that did not make up for a cut that was taken due to an increased benefit contribution. The person who took my place got paid $11K more than I did and had the same amount of experience as I did when I quit (in fact, I worked with her at another job).

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kramer716 (Sep 4, 2017 - 12:36 pm)

Co-sign. I was working 7 to 6:30 some days and coming in on the weekends, and for the first couple of years, I was making 40K. I wish it were 9 to 5.

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mrlollipop (Sep 4, 2017 - 10:48 pm)

"Government jobs truly are the holy grail."

Quite depressing to hear this

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joshdoctson (Sep 4, 2017 - 11:12 am)

Where else do you expect to make six figures while working 40 hours or less and not have to worry about file origination?

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kramer716 (Sep 5, 2017 - 7:44 pm)

It's been a week, so I emailed the contact they told me to contact. I received an auto-reply back saying she was out of the office until Monday.

So, to summarize it appears that the new news is no news. I am in a holding pattern, so if anyone hears different please let me know, and I will do the same.

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mrlollipop (Sep 5, 2017 - 9:09 pm)

Seems like you are passed over. Move on

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kramer716 (Sep 5, 2017 - 9:13 pm)

It's possible, but I want a definitive no before moving on

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oddis500 (Sep 5, 2017 - 7:55 pm)

I know Richmond offered at least one person today. They gave her a start date of October 15, which was the first I'd heard of that timeframe.

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kramer716 (Sep 5, 2017 - 7:58 pm)

Any idea when she interviewed? I was given an emergency contact, and I wasn't going to contact her, but if they are doing offers then I don't want to sit on my hands and be lost in the shuffle.

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oddis500 (Sep 5, 2017 - 9:18 pm)

Yea this person interviewed a couple of weeks ago. She said they told her that they are going to have a separate class, starting October 2nd, for those people who are relocating from out of town. So her being offered (I don't think) would affect you, as she is local. Did they mention that you would be part of the October 2nd class if hired?

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kramer716 (Sep 5, 2017 - 9:25 pm)

They did say I would start October 2nd, or at least that would be the goal. They didn't say if I would be trained in Richmond, or sent to a different city for training.

I am surprised they would push the local class to October 15th unless they are pushing everyone back as well.

I appreciate the information. If I had a standard one-and-done interview, then I wouldn't be as worried. Since they are adding a face-to-face Skype interview I am a bit more concerned about the time crunch.

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oddis500 (Sep 5, 2017 - 9:39 pm)

Well I believe there was ANOTHER group that is starting the 18th of September. So they didn't really push the local class, just added another one. If the are going through the problem of skyping you for the second interview, I think you have a great shot here. I bet after the interview they contact your recommendations.

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kramer716 (Sep 5, 2017 - 9:45 pm)

It is appreciated. I am still waiting to hear when they want to do the Skype interview which is what I am worried about, but it seems they are adding multiple classes so slightly less worried. I appreciate your help

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downwardslope (Sep 6, 2017 - 6:44 pm)

I checked my school's Symplicity again and it was updated yesterday to extend the deadline to 9/14.

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kramer716 (Sep 6, 2017 - 8:48 pm)

The update is greatly appreciated.

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oddis500 (Sep 5, 2017 - 10:25 pm)

No problem! Best of luck. If I hear anything else I'll let you know.

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diblawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 10:45 am)

Best of luck everyone. I received an offer this morning for an AA position. Now I have to determine whether I put myself in about a 10k deficit to reap the federal benefits later in life (i.e. next year). This process makes me so uncomfortable. Give up a slightly better paying job, burn bridges with my current employer, take penalties breaching my lease and move across the country. I have literally sought this position for three years and now I have to determine whether I go all in. Ahh.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 10:53 am)

I'd probably kill to be in a dilemma like yours. Congrats on the offer.

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downwardslope (Sep 7, 2017 - 11:20 am)

I can empathize. I did not even apply to this position until this year since the take home pay is the same as my old job and I had to move. However, my old job is looking like it could be eliminated at any minute so I had to take the plunge and apply this year. This job is better than no job!

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diblawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 1:07 pm)

It's hard to take a position like this when you are already an established attorney. I still think I have a few years with my current employer before needing to commit to part ownership of the firm. Not sure I want all that responsibility and stress. I've always been the type to want a 9-5, good pay and benefits, the ability to work at home and weekends all to myself... The federal gig is better than most jobs, no?

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wutwutwut (Sep 7, 2017 - 11:21 am)

Is the new location somewhere you'd be happy enough to live? How is its COL cf. where you are now?

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kramer716 (Sep 7, 2017 - 11:30 am)

Congratulations! Out of curiosity, and not asking specifically what city, but is the offer for a place on the east coast or west coast? Once again, Good luck and congratulations.

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diblawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 1:08 pm)

It's in the south west region. The start date is 9/17 still. Yes, in 10 days.

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downwardslope (Sep 7, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

Wow. That is insane. They tried that in my office and apparently no one was able to accept.

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kramer716 (Sep 7, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

Congratulations once again. I think I know the office that is offering you, and I am a bit jealous. If you take the job, then good luck to you and if you stay where you are then good luck to you. Your office was my first choice, but hopefully, Richmond comes through.

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lawrunner317 (Sep 7, 2017 - 1:33 pm)

Do it!

I took the plunge into the Feds (1102) last summer and already transferred back to my home state.

Take it and don't look back!

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downwardslope (Sep 7, 2017 - 1:54 pm)

I think AAs can go on the transfer list after a year if they are permanent. I am not sure about the contract hires.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 7, 2017 - 2:10 pm)

Hey can you tell me about what 1102 work is like, how much you know about it going in for your interview, what kind of training, or any other info on what the duties entail? Most of the stuff I see is not for laymen.

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oddis500 (Sep 8, 2017 - 6:52 pm)

kramer716, you ever hear back from Richmond about your second interview? Or hear anything about Hattiesburg, Macon, or Miami?

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kramer716 (Sep 8, 2017 - 7:20 pm)

No to Richmond. I expect to hear about that first thing next week. I never heard anything about Macon or Miami, and I received the obligatory "You are eligible for GS-9 through GS-12, but you aren't being referred" for the Hattiesburg opening.

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oddis500 (Sep 8, 2017 - 8:48 pm)

Thanks thanks. I really wish we had a forum/thread where we could better track when these spots actually got filled.

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kramer716 (Sep 8, 2017 - 9:13 pm)

The other thread is pretty good about that. I try to figure out who applied to the same places as I did and I will just pay closer attention to those posters in the thread.

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downwardslope (Sep 9, 2017 - 8:51 am)

Just keep in mind that many slots are being filled slowly now. I know in my office they said they'd put forward some selections for a few positions (internal) a few weeks ago and the selections haven't been approved yet. I think the people interviewed in late July or the very beginning of August. I had a friend who interviewed at a different agency and had given up entirely by the time she heard she'd gotten a position about a week ago. I think agencies are just so backed up trying to get their selections approved prior to 9/30 that it is taking a while.

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oddis500 (Sep 9, 2017 - 11:01 am)

Oh ok, at least that gives us some hope. Thanks for letting us know.

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kramer716 (Sep 9, 2017 - 11:15 am)

Appreciate the information. I am less panicked about the 9/30 deadline now that it seems the government shutdown has seemingly been averted. Knock on wood. Just hope I am not given the run around next week.

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jjamison7504 (Sep 9, 2017 - 8:14 pm)

Hey Everyone,

As downwardslope indicated that the deadline for SSA AA position has been extended to Sept.14, could someone please email me the job vacancy announcement to my throwaway email: [email protected]

Thanks in advance.

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oddis500 (Sep 9, 2017 - 9:35 pm)

Hey jjamison7504, I think what he's talking about getting decisions out for those who have already been interviewed. If not, I'm not sure which opening you would be referring to, as we are discussing several different openings that had several different closing dates. Sorry I'm not more help.

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kramer716 (Sep 9, 2017 - 9:55 pm)

For USAJOBS the Richmond opening closed a while ago. Downward may have a listing from his law school that differs from that, but the one on USAJOBS closed.

There are supposed to be openings in Falls Church or Woodlawn AKA Baltimore, and that was passed around a few weeks ago. I have heard they weren't happy with the candidate pool, but they may have filled those openings.

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kramer716 (Sep 11, 2017 - 5:26 pm)

I didn't get the position. No idea why I didn't get the position, but I didn't get the position. Looks like it's Pittsburgh for document review or back to the islands.

"Thank you very much for taking the time to interview with us for the Attorney Adviser position. I am writing to let you know that we have selected the candidate whom we believe most closely matches the job requirements of the position. We do appreciate you taking the time to interview with us.

Again, thank you for your time."

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oddis500 (Sep 11, 2017 - 5:31 pm)

Oh no, man I'm sorry to hear about that. This was for the Richmond position? Did they ever have your second Skype interview of call your references? Wonder why the sudden change of tenor?

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kramer716 (Sep 11, 2017 - 5:33 pm)

It was for the Richmond position. No to the second Skype interview, and as far as I know no references were called. Not sure why the sudden change.

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oddis500 (Sep 11, 2017 - 5:37 pm)

That seems pretty inconsiderate to have a second interview scheduled and then just cancel. This entire process has been very strange to say the least. Do you still have any applications outstanding. I know that ICE is supposed to be hiring a bunch of attorneys.

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kramer716 (Sep 11, 2017 - 5:40 pm)

I just received an email saying I was referred for an HHS job in Seattle, but if I am being honest I don't remember applying there. I will take it, but just don't remember applying.

At this point, I am probably headed back to the islands for another government job, or off to Pittsburgh for doc review.

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downwardslope (Sep 11, 2017 - 7:22 pm)

That is strange, especially since my law school website indicates the position isn't even closed yet. It sounds like it is for the best, regardless. Hopefully you will have luck with HHS. I think that is a better job in the long run as at least it still offers senior attorney positions.

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kramer716 (Sep 11, 2017 - 7:28 pm)

Just extremely frustrated at this point. I appreciate the well wishes regarded HHS, and I hope something comes from that.

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downwardslope (Sep 12, 2017 - 12:59 pm)

I submitted probably over 200 applications to federal jobs and interviewed for 3 including the one I got within the year I got the job I have.

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kramer716 (Sep 12, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

Yeah I am probably around 70 applications at this point. I have had two interviews. It wouldn't be so bad if I could figure out what the hell I did. I thought the interview went decently which is what frustrates me. I usually am kicking myself when I leave interviews, but this time I thought I did fine.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 12, 2017 - 2:46 pm)

If you'd like to feel any better, I've submitted about 70 applications for federal jobs in the past 4 months and haven't gotten any interviews.

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kramer716 (Sep 12, 2017 - 2:48 pm)

I appreciate the attempt, but still feel like crap. Good luck with your job search. Where are you looking for work?

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oddis500 (Sep 11, 2017 - 8:39 pm)

I hope I'm wrong, but It's been my experience that when they send out the referral messages, it's the end of the process and they've actually already interviewed and made a selection. Hope I'm wrong in your case.

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kramer716 (Sep 11, 2017 - 9:18 pm)

You are probably correct. I am planning on doc review or another island stint

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petunia (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:48 pm)

Do you know how much these positions pay? Is it GS-11? I applied for one through a local job board and they didn't list the salary range or the GS level. Additionally, how does it work in terms of negotiating within that range? Thanks!

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downwardslope (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:54 pm)

There is no room to negotiate unless you are already a federal employee. They are typically GS-11, but some regions do start at GS-9. I am not sure how many people they start at GS-9 though. I think that is super entry level.

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oddis500 (Sep 13, 2017 - 10:06 pm)

The ones I've applied for are GS-12. I can't imagine anyone taking them for less than that.

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petunia (Sep 13, 2017 - 10:12 pm)

You apparently haven't had much doc review experience then lol

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oddis500 (Sep 13, 2017 - 10:59 pm)

Haha no I haven't. But I admire the folks who are willing to do what they have to and keep on trying. I've been very lucky, I know how easily it could have been much worse. Here's hoping that everyone gets offers soon!

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wutwutwut (Sep 14, 2017 - 7:32 am)

Don't beat yourself up so much, Kramer. Could have been something as simple as a veteran popping up late in the process.

Keep plugging, and best of luck to you.

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downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

Revival of the year... apparently Albuquerque is STILL interviewing.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

HA! May have to drop the hiring contact a line.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

I also received the official rejection email for Richmond. Would have been nice, but time to get off the canvas again.

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downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:24 pm)

Sounds like you dodged a billet. Way too expensive there.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:30 pm)

I appreciate the kind words, but I would have taken that job in a second. Ah well.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 3:45 pm)

Well, you are correct. Just got a call from the Albuquerque office, and I have an interview for Wednesday, so it appears they still are interviewing. While this is good timing, I am not getting my hopes up but would love to move to Albuquerque.

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downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 4:19 pm)

Good luck! Hopefully it works out for you.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 4:39 pm)

It is appreciated.

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downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 4:44 pm)

I imagine Albuquerque would be a superior location. Much cheaper.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 8:02 pm)

It would be, plus they have a ton of gyms out that way. An ALJ called me to set up the interview which I thought was odd, but happy to hear that I was dealing with a higher-up

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downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 8:27 pm)

It seems more legit than a senior case tech setting it up.

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kramer716 (Sep 26, 2017 - 11:28 am)

It does. Just hope this interview is with an ALJ or someone in charge of hiring. The last one was just odd. Very nice people, but never heard of them do it that way.

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downwardslope (Sep 26, 2017 - 11:51 am)

In my office it is usually the hearing office chief ALJ and other managers and/or judges.

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downwardslope (Sep 27, 2017 - 10:12 am)

What time do you go today?

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diblawyer (Sep 26, 2017 - 5:09 pm)

Watch out for that ethics question. Good luck.

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kramer716 (Sep 27, 2017 - 11:58 am)

I went at 11 AM. Interview lasted 40 minutes. They said they want new hire(s) to start end of October, and that was locked in because of budgetary constraints. It sounds like they received new funding to hire which is why they are doing this round. THe interview wasn't as stilted as the Richmond one. They actually asked me about my background, specific questions, not general ones. It was 3 ALJs, the chief one plus two other ones. This was the final interview unlike California.

As for questions, it was the usual ones on Glassdoor. How do you handle criticism? How do you handle conflicts? What do you do if you disagree with an ALJ's decision to you? Where do you see yourself in 2 years? 5 years? etc. I think it went well, but I didn't think the Richmond interview went bad, so what the hell do I know. Hope I get picked up, but will probably assume I did not. I didn't really get a straight ethics question, the one that came closest was the what would you do if you disagree with an ALJ's decision.

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brownbear (Sep 27, 2017 - 12:09 pm)

Hope you get it- that sounds like it went well

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downwardslope (Sep 27, 2017 - 12:16 pm)

Sounds much more promising than the last one! Hope it works out after two let downs. I heard they are hiring 4 so it sounds like there are some good chances, particularly with a one-month turnaround.

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kramer716 (Sep 27, 2017 - 1:05 pm)

Thank you. It would be nice. They seemed decent enough, but not getting my hopes up. I appreciate everyone's help with the process.

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kramer716 (Sep 28, 2017 - 5:55 pm)

I know they are checking my references, so looks like I jumped one hurdle.

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 9:38 am)

I heard from one of my references that they plan on making a hiring decision today, so I am rotating through religions to ensure I get picked up. Next up on the Religion list is Santeria. The classic case of the Church of Lukumu Babalu Aye v. Hialeah being my inspiration. Ah, my favorite Con law case from law school.

Anyway, I am still assuming I won't get picked up, but I want to thank everyone for their help with this process. If I can help someone down the road, then I will be happy to do so.

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brownbear (Sep 29, 2017 - 10:13 am)

It is the last business day of the fiscal year today. Hope you hear good news!

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:49 pm)

I appreciate it. No news yet.

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blackholelaw (Sep 29, 2017 - 10:27 am)

kramer716, you have grit and determination. I am rooting for you!

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:50 pm)

It is appreciated. No news yet.

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diblawyer (Sep 30, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

It took SSA three weeks to communicate a formal offer. On week two an ALJ called to gave me the heads up.

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kramer716 (Oct 2, 2017 - 11:53 am)

I would be fine with that if they keep me in the loop. They said their start date will have to be end of October, so I am assuming October 30th. Anyway, no news yet today but the time difference has it 9:52 AM there, so lots of time. I hope to hear today because my damn stomach is in knots right now.

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trophy2017 (Oct 2, 2017 - 12:20 pm)

Good luck kramer716. I am waiting as well. Hopefully we both receive great news today!

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downwardslope (Oct 2, 2017 - 12:32 pm)

Hopefully today is the day for both of you!!!

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kramer716 (Oct 2, 2017 - 1:20 pm)

Thank you. How did they do the offer with you? Did they send you an email or call you first?

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kramer716 (Oct 2, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

GOod luck to you as well. Since it seems they are in a time crunch I have to think we know this week and probably early this week.

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downwardslope (Oct 2, 2017 - 1:30 pm)

I got a call followed by an email with a confirmation of start date since I rejected the first one.

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kramer716 (Oct 2, 2017 - 1:38 pm)

Thank you. Hopefully the phone rings soon.

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downwardslope (Oct 2, 2017 - 6:54 pm)

Any news?

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kramer716 (Oct 2, 2017 - 10:49 pm)

Nope. Didn't hear a thing, so hoping I am not the only one

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trophy2017 (Oct 3, 2017 - 7:44 am)

You are not the only one. They called my references so I really don't understand but so I am just going to continue my job search. Moving on...

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kramer716 (Oct 3, 2017 - 8:21 am)

This has been a weird process, and by that I mean I was told months ago that I wasn't selected. Then, I was asked in July if I was still interested and heard nothing. Then, we have the interview, they contact our references, and we hear nothing. They said that they needed whoever they hire to start end of October, so it sounds like they need to do the offer, get us processed and out there before Oct. 30th. I think continuing your job search is wise, but wouldn't give up on this one yet.

If we don't hear anything today I will send off a message to the person that interviewed me and see if I cannot find out more information. Hopefully, they call today, though. Good luck.

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trophy2017 (Oct 3, 2017 - 8:42 am)

That's exactly what happened to me as well.

I was hoping to hear something by COB yesterday, but nothing.

I may reach out tomorrow morning if I don't hear anything by COB today.

Good luck to you too!

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oddis500 (Sep 29, 2017 - 10:21 am)

Best of luck! Today could be the day!

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:50 pm)

It appears today is not the day. I am wondering if they are making the selections today, but doing the offers early nest week

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wolfman (Sep 29, 2017 - 10:27 am)

good luck

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:51 pm)

Thank you.

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trophy2017 (Sep 29, 2017 - 12:05 pm)

I also interviewed with Albuquerque this week. Good luck to you kramer716.

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trophy2017 (Sep 29, 2017 - 12:05 pm)

I also interviewed with Albuquerque this week. Good luck to you kramer716.

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:52 pm)

Good luck to you as well. If you hear anything please let me know. I am guessing they probably sat down and made the choices today, and offers go out next week.

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downwardslope (Sep 29, 2017 - 4:15 pm)

Any news?

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:53 pm)

Nope, but glad to hear I am not the only one

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downwardslope (Sep 30, 2017 - 7:40 am)

Sounds like they must be making calls next week then. I think they were conducting interviews through yesterday.

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trophy2017 (Sep 29, 2017 - 4:24 pm)

Not a word.

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oddis500 (Sep 29, 2017 - 4:28 pm)

It took me six weeks AFTER they called my references to actually receive an offer, so don't be disappointed if it takes awhile. I haven't heard of anyone (at least during this hire) that had their references called that didn't end up receiving an offer. Keep the faith!

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downwardslope (Sep 29, 2017 - 4:42 pm)

I did for another non-SSA job. You never know. It was offered to an internal candidate in the end.

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:54 pm)

It sounded like they were hiring multiple people, so hopefully the internal thing will not be an issue. It may, don't want to anger the interview Gods by getting cocky, but hoping it isn't an issue here.

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jacque30 (Sep 29, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

I worked as an SSA attorney a few years ago (DC area). They never called any of my references before I was hired (GS 11). I would see that as a very good sign! FYI, they rejected me initially and then called me out of the blue and gave me a start date that was two weeks later! USAJobs never updated and I was still "not selected" when I became a GS 12. Good luck.

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oddis500 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:52 pm)

How did you like the job?

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jacque30 (Oct 1, 2017 - 11:40 pm)

It worked for me. I was in a unique division in the DC area where I was able to do some special projects and spend a lot of time off of production. I know of only one co-worker who is still working as an AA for SSA. Everyone else moved on to another department (DOJ, FCC, etc) or went back to the private sector because of the lack of promotional potential. Of those who went to the private sector, most are now trying to get back in with the fed. If you want a steady job, predictability, and a good work/life balance, then it is great. However, production can be a beast at first. You cannot work "off the clock" to help fluff you numbers because of the union contract, so you really have to watch the time you spend on each case. If your supervisor (usually a paralegal) does not like you, then they can send every 1000+ page case your way. Most supervisors are really nice though and want you to succeed. You have to really focus on your work and crank out your decisions or you will not survive the probationary period. Bring some headphones, crank up the music, and get to work. Once you get the hang of it, then it is really easy.

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diblawyer (Oct 2, 2017 - 4:48 pm)

I'm transitioning from private practice at a SS firm to an AA with SSA. They worked out a decent starting date so I have time to tell my employer and withdraw from cases currently pending before the agency. If you don't mind, I had a quick question...

How much guidance does the typical ALJ give on what lead them to decide a certain way? I would hope they direct your attention to certain exhibits...

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kramer716 (Sep 29, 2017 - 6:56 pm)

It is appreciated. I had a slightly similar experience as you. I applied in March and was told I wasn't selected. They called me in July and asked if I was still interested, and I heard nothing until this week when they set up the interview. For my mental health I am assuming I am not going to be selected, but hope I am wrong.

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oolong (Oct 3, 2017 - 11:08 am)

Hi all,
Just wanted to update this thread as it and the other one posted by Kramer has been so helpful. Previously I told you that Atlanta ssa called to set me up for an interview but I declined because I had accepted another offer. The next day NY region 2 ODAR called to schedule me for an interview. I ended up going to that interview the following week. They checked my references the next day and the following week I received a tentative offer. It was for GS-12 Step 1. I debated for a bit whether to accept but ultimately did and yesterday was my first day. They have wanted me to start the Monday after receiving the offer which was 3 days later but I was able to get them to hold off so I could at least give a week’s notice to my old job.
So far it’s been fine. All attorneys have their own office on the interior (no window) and the ALJ’s have their own office on the exterior (windows). They hired 3 AAs so it’s nice to start the process with other people. I don’t have a laptop or anything yet so they gave me some reading material and I will be sitting in on hearings today. They said until the budget is approved they won’t know when the official training will happen but it could be in December or sometime next year.

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kramer716 (Oct 3, 2017 - 11:15 am)

Excellent information and congratulations on the job! When did you receive the offer the following week? Was it closer to the beginning or the end of the week?

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oolong (Oct 3, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

It was right in the middle. Wednesday

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kramer716 (Oct 3, 2017 - 2:04 pm)

Ah. Hopefully, the good people of Albuquerque do the same thing. I interviewed last Wednesday, so a week later would be a reasonable timeline.

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diblawyer (Oct 3, 2017 - 4:54 pm)

It took ABQ all of three weeks to make a formal offer. On week two I got a phone call from an ALJ letting me know it was coming. They were hiring quite a few in that office.

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kramer716 (Oct 3, 2017 - 5:00 pm)

I appreciate the information. When you interviewed, did they give you a definite date for when they wanted you to start? They told us it was end of October, which I took to mean Oct. 30th, or were they vague?

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diblawyer (Oct 3, 2017 - 6:28 pm)

They gave me a definite date they wanted me to start during the interview but I was able to negotiate a Nov. start date.

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downwardslope (Oct 3, 2017 - 11:23 am)

Congrats! Beware that they will tell you that official training will not be around a holiday and that is not true. They told us that too and it started the day after a holiday. Many people already had planned leave for the first day or two. As much as they tell you they will not be flexible, they have to be. I think one person actually ended up doing a different training group entirely because she could not do that week at all and had been a prior fed employee before this job.

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kramer716 (Oct 3, 2017 - 11:40 am)

If I am fortunate enough to be selected for this position, and if we have our training during Christmas and I have to be away from family, then I offer a fair warning. We will be recreating the Christmas Story at the hotel. "You'll shoot your eye out, kid." I kid I kid. Good luck with the training.

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oolong (Oct 3, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

We have the Christmas story exclusively on at Christmas in my house. 24 hours tbs.

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kramer716 (Oct 3, 2017 - 1:50 pm)

We don't do the full 24-hours. Our routine is we always go to Christmas Eve services, and then watch the first airing on TBS. Anyway, after living five years overseas I am used to missing most holidays, but I made a point to come back for Christmas every year, so it would suck having to miss Christmas this year. But if it means having to go to training in ST. Louis or DC, then I can improvise my own tree.

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petunia (Oct 3, 2017 - 12:48 pm)

Congrats! Was this near Cherry Hill by any chance?

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oolong (Oct 3, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

Newark

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lawst (Oct 3, 2017 - 10:12 pm)

How did you get hired at gs 12?

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oolong (Oct 4, 2017 - 2:55 pm)

That was the standard gs if you had any legal experience and didn’t come straight from law school. All the attorneys hired here started at gs-12 as well as those in the other nj office.

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downwardslope (Oct 4, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

That is not the case elsewhere. I know tons of GS-11s with tons of experience. I think it depends on the region.

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oolong (Oct 4, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

Yeah the interview I turned down in Atlanta was for gs-11. I actually thought it would be the same here because the salary wasn’t listed in the posting. I didn’t find out the salary until I received the TO.

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kramer716 (Oct 4, 2017 - 3:59 pm)

Still no news. I am hoping I am not the only one. Just wanted to give an update.

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inho2solo (Oct 4, 2017 - 5:20 pm)

Dang; sorry man. Every time I see there's a new post in thread I click on it hoping you've gotten the call.

Continued best wishes.

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kramer716 (Oct 4, 2017 - 8:41 pm)

It is appreciated. This position with Albuquerque keeps being resurrected, so not giving up hope yet.

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trophy2017 (Oct 4, 2017 - 6:30 pm)

I haven't heard anything either. You're not alone.

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downwardslope (Oct 4, 2017 - 6:47 pm)

I have heard it is not looking good to make any hires. It may be that the certificate got pulled.

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trophy2017 (Oct 4, 2017 - 6:55 pm)

Wow. Not surprised though. The entire process seemed rushed. Thanks for the update.

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downwardslope (Oct 4, 2017 - 7:02 pm)

Apparently the backlog is so bad there are plans to hire hundreds of AAs this year though. Just keep looking if this one doesn’t come through.

The issue we have now is that they can hire all day and night in the Hearing offices, but the space is limited for hearings. The NHCs are the most flexible since they can take hearings from anywhere. Most offices just have a few video rooms, so they can hire all day and night. If there is no spot for a judge to sit and hold a hearing, does it matter?

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kramer716 (Oct 4, 2017 - 8:47 pm)

From what they said they were allocated some money to do this round of hires. This very well could have changed, but I am sticking with the Pollyanna approach for now.

Having said that, I was holding off on sending the follow-up to get an update. I was trying to avoid annoying the big boss, but they told my reference they were making a decision last Friday, so will try to get a read on the situation. I keep holding off on a move to Pittsburgh to do doc review, but may have to finally make it if this is officially dead. I will definitely keep looking if this falls through.

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downwardslope (Oct 5, 2017 - 9:31 am)

Unfortunately in government they get allocated money and then they don’t. They will post and interview for positions and have someone selected and then not get approved to hire. I have seen it happen so many times at my old job.

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trophy2017 (Oct 5, 2017 - 9:47 am)

If that is the case, I just wish they would communicate it instead of having us wait. #frustrating!

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kramer716 (Oct 5, 2017 - 9:54 am)

It very well may be the case that we are getting the runaround, but will do the follow-up anyway. The Chief ALJ has done a decent job of getting back to me, so hopefully, that continues. I would definitely keep your job search going, but wouldn't write the eulogy on this position just yet.

Could just be wishful thinking on my part, but we shall see.

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trophy2017 (Oct 5, 2017 - 9:59 am)

Yes, we shall see. Good luck Kramer716!

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downwardslope (Oct 5, 2017 - 10:01 am)

They may not know. I had a coworker wait for months on an internal posting to get a form rejection from the system (state job). No one knew what was going on with the funding for the position until that form rejection came from HR. Everyone was frustrated. What do they say but “we don’t know yet”?

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kramer716 (Oct 5, 2017 - 10:11 am)

I call this position or the process, the Friday the 13th of job searches. I applied when you applied in March, and was told "Yeah, no. You won't be considered." So I buried my chances. It gets resurrected in July, when they call and say, "Hey, you still interested?" Well, yes, particularly because you said I was out of the running in March, and then I hear squat, so break out the shovel and bury my chances again. Then, as we know we get called last week to interview, and the tradition continues, and by that I mean haven't heard squat. Based on past experience I should consider my chances dead, and then I will probably get the offer. When I have hope I hear nothing.

Anyway, the odds are I won't be picked up. It could be a funding issue, or they may have selected other candidates, but I don't want to make a major move until I know my chances are officially dead, so will follow-up and see what they have to say. At least with this position they gave a start-date of end of Oct. which I am taking as Oct. 30th, so I know if that date hits then I really know I am screwed.

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throwaway1234321 (Oct 10, 2017 - 6:06 pm)

FYI. Looks like they made their final decisions RE: ABQ and HR processed them. I received a tentative offer today.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 6:25 pm)

Congrats.

I hope one day in my life before I do I ever get a real job.

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kramer716 (Oct 12, 2017 - 1:28 pm)

Congratulations on the offer. I am up for a job in San Francisco that is more in line with what I did on Guam, so the sting of this rejection hurts a bit less. It is actually more money, but that is canceled out by the cost of living. Anyway, good luck to you and enjoy Albuquerque.

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