Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Observation about jobs from USAjobs

From a current GS-12 Fed working at a large DoD installation flyer1409/13/17
Yes. I also have a friend who got every fed job she has had downwardslope09/13/17
I got an offer from an opening I applied to on USA Jobs. But thirdtierlaw09/13/17
I have had the same experience as you. Almost all the Feds I gs1309/13/17
it's funny you mention that b/c to me DoD jobs are the ONE t thecharmingmresq09/13/17
I have seen a few people receive offers. There was an openin kramer71609/13/17
I know of people who have gotten jobs from USAjobs, but it c notreallyalawyer09/13/17
Fwiw, I got a gs7 paralegal job fresh out of undergrad. Ever tacocheese09/13/17
Do you think a paralegal who already worked in the office (l wolfman09/13/17
I can't weigh in on this because I left law and work as a co flyer1409/13/17
I'd kill to be in your shoes. I'm applying to every contract notreallyalawyer09/13/17
Yes. Many legal assistants at SSA get hired as attorneys. I downwardslope09/13/17
Thanks, all. wolfman09/13/17
I didn't see it at DOJ. I'd be surprised if someone went jd/ tacocheese09/14/17
Crim AUSA here. Got my spot via USAJobs. claptrap09/13/17
I got my job through USAJOBS. I'm pretty rare though. No one perkinwarbeck09/13/17
I've gotten two from USAJOBS. Interviewing for a third. It's oddis50009/13/17
Are you interviewing for one of the Richmond openings? kramer71609/13/17
No I'm not, sorry. I've interviewed for three different ones oddis50009/13/17
Good luck. I know you wanted to end up on the Gulf Coast, so kramer71609/14/17
In connection with this issue, is there a hierarchy of jobs notreallyalawyer09/13/17
I think it's more the number of vacancies than the agency. M kramer71609/13/17
I was looking at something about the USPTO, according to som notreallyalawyer09/13/17
Do you have a throwaway email. I might have an idea for you. kramer71609/13/17
I see no pattern. The other two I interviewed for were singl downwardslope09/13/17
I've gotten jobs at 3 separate Federal agencies, including m texfed09/22/17
I got interviewed and passed all testing then received the c kickflipninja09/23/17
Seems like it would be difficult for me to find another job perkinwarbeck09/24/17
I'd kill to get any federal job. notreallyalawyer09/24/17
Anyone else noticing fewer jobs on USAjobs recently? Normall notreallyalawyer09/25/17
It is the end of the fiscal year now. There is usually a sur downwardslope09/25/17
Without any prior experience in contracting you're wasting y flyer1409/25/17
I've only been applying for GS9/11 contract specialist jobs. notreallyalawyer09/25/17

flyer14 (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:47 am)

From a current GS-12 Fed working at a large DoD installation.

1) I never got my job through USAjobs. Although I applied for probably 30 or 40 jobs on that website and got referred to 3 or 4, I was never actually called or selected for an interview. I got my job because the local hiring office reached out to area universities. I interviewed at the career services office a year after I had actually graduated and got the job that way.

2) I've worked in two different offices on the same installation. In both cases, I've only met one person in each office who applied on USAjobs and work here as a result.

The first was a GS-4 college intern (who was offered a GS-7 target 12 upon graduation - he has a 9 now at the age of 23 with no debt) and the second was a GS-7 secretary who was grossly overqualified for the job.

2a) Everyone else - me included - got their job through some backdoor means... either the local hiring office bypassing USAjobs and making a direct hire, or some boomer who got his job in 1971 due to nepotism, or back when you could waltz onto the installation and talk to someone and cold drop a resume on a desk... because boomer skills, that's what.

I always get a kick out of seeing some new college intern, who's a GS-4 or so... it's almost guaranteed he (usually a he) has a boomer uncle or father who's a 15 somewhere. Probably not in the same building, but definitely still in the same installation.

3) The only thing my agency really uses USAjobs for is internal job postings (e.g. supervisor's openings) where the application process is limited to current federal employees.

***

Has anyone on JDU gotten a Fed job through USAjobs? If so I'd like to hear it... you're a rare breed.

Reply Like (0)
downwardslope (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:53 am)

Yes. I also have a friend who got every fed job she has had via usajobs, and she had left and come back a few times.

Reply Like (0)
thirdtierlaw (Sep 13, 2017 - 10:34 am)

I got an offer from an opening I applied to on USA Jobs. But that is only 1 out of 6 or 7 I was referred for.

Reply Like (0)
gs13 (Sep 13, 2017 - 10:44 am)

I have had the same experience as you. Almost all the Feds I know had some connection to the Feds (either a relative) or a job was offered with a direct email at s campus or some other event.

Very rarely do I ever meet a fedactyalky hired through usajobs. Seems a black hole!!!

Reply Like (0)
thecharmingmresq (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:52 am)

it's funny you mention that b/c to me DoD jobs are the ONE thing it's actually good at. NG/Reserves hiring stuff is done exclusively through USAJOBS but that's a v. small niche to be fair

Reply Like (0)
kramer716 (Sep 13, 2017 - 11:35 am)

I have seen a few people receive offers. There was an opening for Attorney Advisers for the VA last year, and a few people received offers from that. There were two rounds of SSA attorney adviser hirings and I have seen people on here receive offers.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 13, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

I know of people who have gotten jobs from USAjobs, but it could also be a competency thing since it's all electronic, and they have nothing paper/physical to remind them there's an applicant. I've been disqualified from multiple positions for failure to prove my bar membership, despite me listing both my memberships on my resume and including a photo of my bar ID.. I even email them these things when I get hte notification of disqualification and it never changes my status.

Reply Like (0)
tacocheese (Sep 13, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

Fwiw, I got a gs7 paralegal job fresh out of undergrad. Every single attorney at the office was either a lifer (like pre-internet) or hired through honors program.

Reply Like (0)
wolfman (Sep 13, 2017 - 1:17 pm)

Do you think a paralegal who already worked in the office (let's say in a G-9 paralegal specialist job) and had a JD would have a shot at eventually getting hired as an atty? I'm currently a paralegal in state government and am applying to some federal jobs like that...

Reply Like (0)
flyer14 (Sep 13, 2017 - 1:29 pm)

I can't weigh in on this because I left law and work as a contract specialist now... but I'm speculating the odds are slim to none. That said... a GS-13 contracting officer makes the exact same money as GS-13 attorney. Fuggit.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 13, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

I'd kill to be in your shoes. I'm applying to every contract specialist job I can, and having zero luck.. I've actually started playing mega millions because my odds of winning that are probably larger than me getting a job.

Reply Like (0)
downwardslope (Sep 13, 2017 - 2:40 pm)

Yes. Many legal assistants at SSA get hired as attorneys. I know one locally who got hired at another agency from a legal assistant position at SSA. Don't listen to Flyer14. It happens.

Reply Like (0)
wolfman (Sep 13, 2017 - 7:57 pm)

Thanks, all.

Reply Like (0)
tacocheese (Sep 14, 2017 - 9:47 am)

I didn't see it at DOJ. I'd be surprised if someone went jd/paralegal to attorney. One of the paralegals there had a JD from Georgetown. He retired as a paralegal.

Reply Like (0)
claptrap (Sep 13, 2017 - 3:28 pm)

Crim AUSA here. Got my spot via USAJobs.

Reply Like (0)
perkinwarbeck (Sep 13, 2017 - 7:43 pm)

I got my job through USAJOBS. I'm pretty rare though. No one else in my office at least came in that way.

I actually had a ridiculous experience with USAJOBS recently. I decided to apply for an attorney gig at the office of government ethics. The job looked attractive enough that I decided to make the effort to write a cover letter, which was optional. After going though all that work, the system told me I was not eligible! Why? It turns out that, in addition to only being open to current and former federal employees, it is limited to current or former members of the COMPETITIVE SERVICE.

As far as I know, all Federal attorney positions are excepted service, not competitive service. That means that this job is limited to qualified attorneys who are currently not working as attorneys in the federal government, or formerly held a non-attorney position with the feds.

While I want to think that this is a ridiculous mistake and the job will surely be taken down and reposted, I have to wonder if they have some particular individual in mind. Someone already at OGE who is a qualified attorney currently serving in a non-attorney job who they want to move into an attorney role.

Oh, the OGE job is excepted service too. Just like all the other attorneys.

Reply Like (0)
oddis500 (Sep 13, 2017 - 7:50 pm)

I've gotten two from USAJOBS. Interviewing for a third. It's definitely a numbers game though. I've put out a ton of applications.

Reply Like (0)
kramer716 (Sep 13, 2017 - 8:16 pm)

Are you interviewing for one of the Richmond openings?

Reply Like (0)
oddis500 (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:22 pm)

No I'm not, sorry. I've interviewed for three different ones back East/South now, although I have no idea how it's going to end up.

Reply Like (0)
kramer716 (Sep 14, 2017 - 9:52 am)

Good luck. I know you wanted to end up on the Gulf Coast, so hope you end up in the general area.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 13, 2017 - 8:02 pm)

In connection with this issue, is there a hierarchy of jobs that top lawyers want to the rest of us know what to avoid and focus on something else? I figure anything DOJ, USPTO and SEC are only for people from top law schools and people who worked in big law.. But am I right and thinking we'd have a better shot at the VA, SSA, etc?

Reply Like (0)
kramer716 (Sep 13, 2017 - 8:16 pm)

I think it's more the number of vacancies than the agency. My very limited success was with positions that were "many vacancies." I haven't had any success regarding getting an interview, with an opening that had few vacancies or a small number.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 13, 2017 - 8:32 pm)

I was looking at something about the USPTO, according to some message board message posted 5 or so years ago, the USPTO was hiring "many" and they got something like 800 applications for 30 spots. I think my only chance would be if there were more spots than applicants, but knowing my luck they'd just cancel the announcement rather than hire me.

Reply Like (0)
kramer716 (Sep 13, 2017 - 8:50 pm)

Do you have a throwaway email. I might have an idea for you.

Reply Like (0)
downwardslope (Sep 13, 2017 - 9:34 pm)

I see no pattern. The other two I interviewed for were single vacancies. I think they liked my cover letter for one. No clue about the other. I also got an interview with the VA but had started this job by that point. I applied for probably 150 jobs through the usajobs system in 2 years and probably another 50 that did not use the system. The only non-referrals I had were because the ad was messed up, I forgot to include a document, or a few vet pref only ones. I would say I was referred for at least 100-120.

Reply Like (0)
texfed (Sep 22, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

I've gotten jobs at 3 separate Federal agencies, including my current GS-13 job, through USAjobs.

Reply Like (0)
kickflipninja (Sep 23, 2017 - 12:30 am)

I got interviewed and passed all testing then received the conditional offer for a special agent gig through USAJobs. I'm awaiting clearances. It's not law but it's a federal law enforcement position.

I didn't apply much through that site. Apart from the aforementioned, the best luck I had was just being referred but never receiving further follow-up.

Reply Like (0)
perkinwarbeck (Sep 24, 2017 - 8:22 pm)

Seems like it would be difficult for me to find another job with promotion potential of 15. They all seem to top out at 13 or 14. If I leave my current job, I'd have to move again in a few years to get 15, hrm.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 24, 2017 - 9:07 pm)

I'd kill to get any federal job.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 25, 2017 - 11:25 am)

Anyone else noticing fewer jobs on USAjobs recently? Normally I make my two applications every sunday. I could only find one to apply to (I don't apply for GS14-15 jobs). Can't find anything lawyer or contract specialist where I live.

Reply Like (0)
downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 11:27 am)

It is the end of the fiscal year now. There is usually a surge in August and then fewer jobs until the new year starts in October.

Reply Like (0)
flyer14 (Sep 25, 2017 - 11:40 am)

Without any prior experience in contracting you're wasting your time applying for anything higher than a GS-9. Like any career field you'd need to work your way up to a target grade... even a 9 sounds like it would represent a pay bump from what you've been doing, though. Lawyers I can't comment on as much.

With the end of fiscal year there's a mad rush to spend all the money otherwise the agencies will lose it... priority isn't really on hiring right now. With another CR on the books, it may continue to be wonky for a few months... I'd look to see more hiring in December/January at this rate.

Reply Like (0)
notreallyalawyer (Sep 25, 2017 - 11:46 am)

I've only been applying for GS9/11 contract specialist jobs. Very few GS9 ones have been advertised.

Reply Like (0)
Post a message in this thread