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How long after graduating law school is it permissible to contact their career services office?

I'm 15 years out, unemployable. I'm so desperate now I'm thi notreallyalawyer09/19/17
Move to a rural part of a flyover state. Take appointments. lawlyer8209/19/17
I say keep peppering them until you get a job. Odds are t flyer1409/19/17
I really don't want to blackmail anyone, as the issue is wit notreallyalawyer09/19/17
As you admit here and in other threads, your problem is in y flyer1409/19/17
What do you have to lose? Set up a telephone appointment and kramer71609/19/17
Why not contact your local legal aid office, and see if they kramer71609/19/17
Most clerkship positions require that you be only 1 or 2 yea patenttrollnj09/19/17
That is not always true. There are some judges that hire peo downwardslope09/19/17
Just send your resume to every single temporary employment a sanka09/19/17
Also, do not volunteer free work, and forget about pro bono. sanka09/19/17
I respectfully disagree if he wants to still be an attorney, kramer71609/19/17
Lovely. Slave labor from an indebted JD without a trust f sanka09/19/17
All depends on what he wants, if he wants document review th kramer71609/19/17
The OP has been doing doc review for over a decade. Presumab downwardslope09/19/17
Marianna said she would be haunting Joan King's grave into t tedandlisa12309/19/17
I told my dean that bc they took my tuition money, I own the triplesix09/19/17
I've heard it depends entirely on your school's career offic spaghetti09/19/17
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notreallyalawyer (Sep 19, 2017 - 9:12 am)

I'm 15 years out, unemployable. I'm so desperate now I'm thinking of writing a sob letter, which unfortunately is the absolute truth. I am worried about even if they just hit delete, just the shame and embarassment of it. I'll either be begging for help finding any kind of job, or telling them how unemployable I am and beg them for some kind of student loan forgiveness thing, but I'm sure they are only concerned about recent grads. I absolutely don't want to do this, but I'm so desperate now, I am considering it. I'm sure I'm embarrassing my law school by being top 5% and on law review and couldn't get a job to save my life..

I contacted my bar association about my situation, all they did was give me a list of career counselors and said we really only help drug addicts.

In the past, within a year of graduating law school, I contacted their OCS, and they got me an interview for a clerkship position. I went on the interview, it sounded promising, but he didn't hire me. It was only for a year, as he was retiring anyways. Now it's been 15 years since i graduated.

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lawlyer82 (Sep 19, 2017 - 6:49 pm)

Move to a rural part of a flyover state. Take appointments. Make high 5 figures in a low cost of living area. Everyone around you will think you're a big shot lawyer. Enjoy life.

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flyer14 (Sep 19, 2017 - 9:21 am)

I say keep peppering them until you get a job.

Odds are they will reply with the standard stuff - have you reached out on LinkedIn, have you gone to job fairs, etc.

But it will be more of an embarrassment to them.

The alternative is you can always stand at the door to the law school and hand out fliers to prospective students showing how half of them won't actually ever wind up practicing law in a firm setting.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 19, 2017 - 9:26 am)

I really don't want to blackmail anyone, as the issue is with me, not my school, at least in my case. The reason why I didn't get a job is because of me, not them. I can't say that for people who graduated in the bottom half of the class. Also I live 200 miles away from the law school. I'm horrible at any kind of socialization, networking. I don't even have a linkedin account because my prior employer forbade us from having one. I'd have nothing to put on it either. All I've done is doc review. I don't even want to work at a firm. I want any job, period. preferably that pays over 50k a year. right now I can't even get doc review work. I didn't apply for those for several months after my job, as I tried to delude myself into thinking I could get possibly a government job or some kind of career change. I started applying for doc review jobs directly employed by law firms, just temporary jobs, no benefits, and they've been rejecting me. Now I'm trying to register with agencies and they aren't contacting me back..

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flyer14 (Sep 19, 2017 - 9:55 am)

As you admit here and in other threads, your problem is in your head. There isn't a whole lot we can do here until you get some professional counseling... get your head issues worked out, and get out of that defeatist mindset.

I'm not saying it's easy, and I'm not saying I know the way to get there, but I was there when I felt stuck in sh*tlaw, sending out applications left and right and hearing crickets.

I could gladly refer you to a government job that starts out north of 50k a year (and they're hiring a LOT in the next few years), but would I want to if you've got ongoing head issues that would affect your job performance?

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kramer716 (Sep 19, 2017 - 9:45 am)

What do you have to lose? Set up a telephone appointment and call them

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kramer716 (Sep 19, 2017 - 11:23 am)

Why not contact your local legal aid office, and see if they are hiring? IF they are not, and they probably aren't, then see if you can volunteer to work at the office. It seems your strength lies in writing, so volunteer to do that. You won't be making money, but if you don't suck at the job and they are happy with you, then they are more likely to take you on. Plus you have a place to go and be productive, and you can work your own hours. Work there for 5 hours or so, and then do your job search the rest of the time.

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patenttrollnj (Sep 19, 2017 - 11:49 am)

Most clerkship positions require that you be only 1 or 2 years out of law school. If you're 5+ years out, they won't look at you.

Frankly, not sure the career services office will be able to help you.

Try to move into another career. That's your best option.

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downwardslope (Sep 19, 2017 - 12:14 pm)

That is not always true. There are some judges that hire people way out, even at the federal level. I know I met one when I was in law school in the mid '00s who was in a term fed clerkship and had finished in the late '90s. I have seen career positions wanting 5-7 years minimum as well.

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sanka (Sep 19, 2017 - 2:35 pm)

Just send your resume to every single temporary employment agency. Half of them will rewrite your resume for you, anyway.

And send a courtesy copy of every job correspondence to your career services office at your law school. They took your money; why should you hide the truth from them? You will never ever get a final decree of divorce from your law school.

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sanka (Sep 19, 2017 - 2:38 pm)

Also, do not volunteer free work, and forget about pro bono. Don't forget about the spirit of the 13th Amend.

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kramer716 (Sep 19, 2017 - 4:25 pm)

I respectfully disagree if he wants to still be an attorney, and not do document review. If he wants to do document review, then I agree with the advice of peppering your resume everywhere and then relocate once you get a bite. Charlotte does seem to have a ton of document review projects for what it's worth.

If he wants to be a non-Document review attorney, then he needs to build up his contacts. As he has said in other threads, he doesn't have many people to turn to when it comes to references. Volunteering for legal aid will give him an opportunity to show other attorneys that he can do the work, and they can pick him up, or at the very least they can vouch for his abilities. If he doesn't do any pro bono or volunteer anywhere, then he will be in the same hole that he is now. At least with volunteering, he gives himself a chance to succeed.

Having said that, when I say volunteer, I mean volunteer, if they start demanding he work a full-time job for free, then, yes, absolutely walk, but if they let him work his own hours while he does a job search, then I don't see a downside.

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sanka (Sep 19, 2017 - 4:45 pm)

Lovely.

Slave labor from an indebted JD without a trust fund.

After several years of paying for law clinicals, shadowing local judges, etc.

Then after starving for seven more years, you realize that you are a starving lawyer, still. But that million dollar personal injury case is right around the corner.

Just sign up with job agencies. Let professionals handle the stress of job finding for you.

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kramer716 (Sep 19, 2017 - 5:00 pm)

All depends on what he wants, if he wants document review then your strategy may work, but that assumes he is in a geographic area where there is a demand for doc review. If he isn't then he probably has to relocate before an agency lifts a finger to help him.

If he wants an attorney job that isn't doc review, then he has to try something else besides peppering employment agencies with resumes. They won't do jack for you if they don't think they can place you. When I got out of law school, I tried that approach with zero success. If you didn't have the experience they can't sell you, so they won't waste their time. So if he doesn't want to do volunteer or pro bono stuff, that's fine, but he needs to do something else besides blindly sending out resumes to employment agencies who don't care.

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downwardslope (Sep 19, 2017 - 5:53 pm)

The OP has been doing doc review for over a decade. Presumably if he wants to do something other than doc review, he needs to get experience doing it. Helping out with legal aid a few hours a week is one way to get that experience. I know people who were in quasi-legal roles for quite some time before landing attorney positions, but they all did pro bono work on the side handling actual legal cases through legal aid or other pro bono organizations. It's totally his choice.

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tedandlisa123 (Sep 19, 2017 - 6:14 pm)

Marianna said she would be haunting Joan King's grave into the after life. There is no statute of limitations to harassing the Career Services office.

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triplesix (Sep 19, 2017 - 6:18 pm)

I told my dean that bc they took my tuition money, I own them. I think it works the same with the career "juke the stats" office.

Customer always right!

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spaghetti (Sep 19, 2017 - 11:32 pm)

I've heard it depends entirely on your school's career office. Most are understandably more concerned with helping recent grads. Some, however, will help you out farther down the road. Not sure about 15 years out though.

Worst case scenario, someone reads it, and forgets your name in a few days. It can't hurt.

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2ski (Sep 20, 2017 - 8:26 am)

Finger really goes to school itself in not preparing students for the real world. Not limited to law school. I was a business major and virtually unemployable at graduation. ( unless you were pretty female with a rack were wooed by pharma sales) Academics are too far removed from day to day business which is the major fault.

That is why internships, clerkships, etc., are so important in learning the business side of whatever industry you are in.

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sanka (Sep 20, 2017 - 9:59 am)

I know that while employers are very impressed by paid federal clerkships, and somewhat impressed by state paid clerkships, they are not significantly impressed by clerkships for school credit.

Once, I attended a Continuing Legal Education seminar, and the presenter, a state judge, was ranting about prospective employers calling her in reference to a clerk she had, but it wasn't an actual paid clerkship, just a student who came in a few hours a week to observe for course credit. There's a huge difference, apparently.

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triplesix (Sep 20, 2017 - 10:11 am)

Everyone knows this he ce why jdu advice is he really don't work for free and don't pay to work. Everyone knows and the benefits are marginal at best.

If you don't respect your time, why should anyone else pay for it. Free market 101.

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that particular spam ad being on this thread is really pretty priceless, don't you think

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qdllc (Sep 25, 2017 - 11:11 am)

As far as I'm concerned, if you graduated, the services are for life.

Granted, I never put much stock in my school's "career placement" office, but so long as you are an alumnus, you should be eligible for any assistance they can offer.

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blakesq (Sep 25, 2017 - 12:40 pm)

I agree with gdllc. my career services center at my law school (class of 96) will provide me info if I request it.

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nighthawk (Sep 25, 2017 - 12:48 pm)

I thought my Career Services Office was a joke during law school and that has not changed since then. Not sure what you want from them. It makes the law school feel good that they are doing something for the students while they don't actually do anything. Give them a call and say that you graduated 15 years ago. It will make them feel good and they won't have to do anything.

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downwardslope (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

They are pretty much a joke but you can at least get passwords to symplicity and the byu job bank if you do not have them already.

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kramer716 (Sep 25, 2017 - 1:15 pm)

I agree with pretty much everyone here. The Career Services office at my old law school is a joke, but if you are desperate, then use them. You have nothing to lose, and maybe you might be one of the 4% they can help

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