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White and Case, a law firm, WILL NOT even consider JDs for i wolfman09/21/17
The good folks at White & Case just need to speak to a law d inho2solo09/21/17
That is racist!!! Lawyers, Irish men, and dogs need not a sanka09/21/17
Law students don't need to stoop to such positions, anyway; 6figuremistake09/21/17
Why you want to become a compliance officer if you have a JD mrlollipop09/21/17
LOL. wolfman09/22/17
I'm not one to shill for biglaw or the profession in general loblawyer09/21/17
I would never want that job in the first place, at least at notreallyalawyer09/22/17
While I understand what you mean (notreallyalawyer), respect wolfman09/22/17
This is the reason exactly. Any JD that applies to the posit thirdtierlaw09/22/17
No offense, but I think that's a ton of BS, unless there is wolfman09/22/17
There is not. I had a friend who was a paralegal in biglaw, downwardslope09/22/17
I'm not offended, nor would I be. I'm glad it's working out thirdtierlaw09/22/17
I see foreign llms get hired over jds all the time. This is triplesix09/22/17
True sanka09/22/17
wolfman (Sep 21, 2017 - 11:50 am)

White and Case, a law firm, WILL NOT even consider JDs for its compliance/AML positions. Good luck getting that "JD-preferred" job, young padawan!

https://whitecase.taleo.net/careersection/wc_external/jobdetail.ftl?job=31236

Forget the fact that "this is a non-legal position," those pesky JDs will keep applying, so it straight out says it in black and white: "JD is not required for the position and will not be considered."

Oh, and apparently you need "Two years’ experience in a law firm, preferably in a Law Firm Conflicts department or General Counsel’s office or comparable paralegal experience." BUT GOD FORBID YOU HAD GONE TO LAW SCHOOL.

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inho2solo (Sep 21, 2017 - 12:17 pm)

The good folks at White & Case just need to speak to a law dean or two about the wild Versey Tillity of the juris doctorate degree.

After that, I'm sure they'll see the errors of their ways and amend this job description post haste.

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sanka (Sep 21, 2017 - 2:53 pm)

That is racist!!!

Lawyers, Irish men, and dogs need not apply....

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6figuremistake (Sep 21, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

Law students don't need to stoop to such positions, anyway; they have the Million Dollar Degree Guarantee (TM)

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mrlollipop (Sep 21, 2017 - 9:07 pm)

Why you want to become a compliance officer if you have a JD? Shouldn't you apply for the associate jobs in white & case?

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wolfman (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:44 pm)

LOL.

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loblawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 10:33 pm)

I'm not one to shill for biglaw or the profession in general, but with White & Case on this one. A JD is much more likely to scheme for advancement to an associate position; they want a plug and play cog for that position, nothing more. Also higher odds the JD will be bitter with envy having biglaw success rubbed in his/her face day in, day out.

They probably want some average candidate who has no ambitions beyond middle management. Personally, if I never made it in private practice, the last place I would want to work is in biglaw surrounded by younger, successful associates.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 8:32 am)

I would never want that job in the first place, at least at a law firm. the constant reminder of my failure would not be pleasant.

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wolfman (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:43 pm)

While I understand what you mean (notreallyalawyer), respectfully, you can't have your cake and eat it too...

What I mean is that one is perfectly entitled to complain about not being able to get any job to feed himself after X years of education, but one can't then say they wouldn't want a fairly well-paying job because it would be a constant reminder of failure... if one needs a job, one grins and bears.

As far as the larger issue, see my response below.

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thirdtierlaw (Sep 22, 2017 - 9:52 am)

This is the reason exactly. Any JD that applies to the position is likely trying to get their foot in the door to being an associate. Either that or they'll still try to play an attorney role and "point out things they noticed" to the attorneys instead of just doing their job.

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wolfman (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

No offense, but I think that's a ton of BS, unless there is some sort of an enormous difference between government and private practice in this regard. I am a JD and work in a government paralegal position, and, frankly, I am a MUCH better paralegal than many others, due to my JD and the fact that I am pretty smart and hardworking; I also don't make many mistakes or have weird "ideas" about how to do things based on having been there for twenty years after high school... I just do what works, and ask for help when I need it, and am nice to people. Would I like to get an attorney position? Sure thing (though I'll need to be admitted first), and maybe in another section (what we do can be a little boring, frankly, although I like the people I work with).

Am I going to stay around forever as a paralegal? I certainly hope not, either due to getting an atty job or getting the hell out of law in general, but both attorneys and support staff here move on to other things from time to time. All and all, I do a good job, for a much lower salary than an atty would need to be paid, and I dare say people are happy to have me for however long I stay here (knock on wood).

Oh, and do I "point out things I noticed?" Yeah, well, why wouldn't I, looking for things that are wrong is part of my job, and people expect me to notice stuff, given that I went to LS. Do I do it enough to be annoying and impede work flow? No, I'm not autistic, at least not to that degree, and so I can pick up non-verbal cues.

So I think it's a poisonous biglaw mindset problem, and not a reality problem... but like I said, maybe it's an exception due to government.

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downwardslope (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:47 pm)

There is not. I had a friend who was a paralegal in biglaw, left and then basically came back to the same position after he graduated due to the economic downturn. It was one of those biglaw firms that had laid off hundreds of associates. He was not jealous of them. I think he is in a compliance attorney role with them now. They have always treated him well.

He never wanted to be a biglaw associate. Why would he be jealous of them?

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thirdtierlaw (Sep 22, 2017 - 1:07 pm)

I'm not offended, nor would I be. I'm glad it's working out for you. I'm also not the person posting that JDs won't be considered.

Maybe I wasn't clear with "pointing out things they noticed" to the attorney. I'm not talking about mistakes that were made or if there is actually a compliance issue. I am talking about a compliance guy being handed a negotiated agreement then deciding to quiz the attorneys on why they didn't structure the deal in a different fashion. Or "well I would have done it this way."

If you're a busy firm that is already going to get 100s if not 1000s of qualified applicants why would the firm even risk it?

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triplesix (Sep 22, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

I see foreign llms get hired over jds all the time. This is nothing new or at least has been going on for a few years. A JD in legal support industry is a liability even if have specialized experience and or foreign language that they need. They will always go with an a foreign llm. You can guess why...

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sanka (Sep 22, 2017 - 1:52 pm)

True

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