Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

How is it even possible to remove that you are a lawyer from your resume?

If I wanted to apply for Privacy jobs, and seeing that White notreallyalawyer09/21/17
1987-1991: Pleasantville High School (Valedictorian) 1991-1 inho2solo09/21/17
The sad truth is I'd be better off saying I was in prison fo notreallyalawyer09/21/17
This made me laugh, but then I felt bad because you're right bucwild09/21/17
Dude, believe me, I know.. I know a guy whose about the be s notreallyalawyer09/21/17
the PW guy? that story just blows my mind. blackholelaw09/21/17
Remember this line and recite as needed "My Great Uncle A jackofspeed09/21/17
2014-2017: Spent the last three years of my life acquiring s isthisit09/21/17
I thought you never had a lawyer job? Just leave the law deg fettywap09/21/17
I believe the OP has been in document review for 20 years. flyer1409/21/17
I would call it a data entry job. No one outside law knows w fettywap09/21/17
I'd spin it. Research assistant. Ensure compliance with regu flyer1409/21/17
How? I entered law school in 1999. Everything I've done sinc notreallyalawyer09/21/17
Eh if you really want out of law, you may be a candidate for jackofspeed09/21/17
TITCR. Hell if you could manage a funded graduate program, t therewillbeblood09/21/17
I'm not going back to school. I already wasted $250,000 on m notreallyalawyer09/21/17
How did you waste $250k on your education? Didn't you finish downwardslope09/21/17
Undergrad cost about $100,000k Law school cost me about a notreallyalawyer09/21/17
you spent $150K on LS, graduating in 2002? Even with th inho2solo09/21/17
Basically I paid for 4 years of law school. 1st semester notreallyalawyer09/21/17
full boat triplesix09/21/17
Not full boat - other threads OP has said s/he had some scho inho2solo09/21/17
This is a total flame. There is just no way. Law school was downwardslope09/22/17
My law school costs over $50k a year now. notreallyalawyer09/22/17
What does that have to do with what it cost in 1998? downwardslope09/22/17
It's very possible to have 100,000 in student loan debt from flyer1409/22/17
GWU costs over $50,000 a year for just tuition now. If you d notreallyalawyer09/22/17
It cost over $30,000 a year when I went, and I paid for 4 ye notreallyalawyer09/22/17
Have you considered moving out of the District of Criminals? flyer1409/22/17
It's allegedly one of the best job markets. I was also born notreallyalawyer09/22/17
Whether it's a good job market or not is irrelevant. By flyer1409/22/17
I had one professor who always said- "If the horse is dead, downwardslope09/22/17
In the past I looked for jobs in Kansas City and Buffalo, an notreallyalawyer09/22/17
you're petunia09/21/17
The SBA has temporary hurricane relief jobs. Why not apply f thirdtierlaw09/22/17
That also was on the local news. It helps if you know techn sanka09/22/17
The website has a bunch of different positions, besides just thirdtierlaw09/22/17
Thanks guys, i'll take a look at that. notreallyalawyer09/22/17
FEMA has a lot of temp jobs that come up on the main usajobs downwardslope09/22/17
The only stuff they had even near me was call center jobs ab notreallyalawyer09/22/17
In my agency they did a call asking if any civilians wanted flyer1409/22/17
TDY only is for federal (I have a constitutionally guarantee sanka09/22/17

notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 12:50 pm)

If I wanted to apply for Privacy jobs, and seeing that White & Case thing, what could I do? That's the past 19 years of my life.. Say I was in a coma?

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inho2solo (Sep 21, 2017 - 12:53 pm)

1987-1991: Pleasantville High School (Valedictorian)
1991-1995: Great State U, majoring in Keggers-n-Sorority-Sisters
1995-2017: Abducted by aliens, held in a virtual time warp, probed mercilessly.

More seriously, it seems do-able for a relatively new grad, but in your case, not sure how you'd massage the last two decades of doc review into something non-legal sounding.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:01 pm)

The sad truth is I'd be better off saying I was in prison for the past 18 years than telling the truth.. At least there are programs for convicts.

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bucwild (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:35 pm)

This made me laugh, but then I felt bad because you're right.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

Dude, believe me, I know.. I know a guy whose about the be sentenced for soliciting a minor, he's going to be getting work before I do.

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blackholelaw (Sep 21, 2017 - 5:36 pm)

the PW guy? that story just blows my mind.

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jackofspeed (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

Remember this line and recite as needed

"My Great Uncle Archibald was an adventurer. After he passed away on Safari I had to attend to his affairs.

He had kindly made provision for me in his will, and so I've spent the last twenty years retracing his steps and trying to capture his life in a biography.

But at the moment I've got writer's block so bad no progress is possible.

So in the meantime I've decided to try re-entering the work-force until I'm ready to finish the book."

See? Easy as pie.

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isthisit (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:17 pm)

2014-2017: Spent the last three years of my life acquiring special skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. . .

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fettywap (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:21 pm)

I thought you never had a lawyer job? Just leave the law degree and anything associated with it off your resume.

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flyer14 (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:38 pm)

I believe the OP has been in document review for 20 years.

He's probably got some juicy doc review horror stories.... OP care to share?

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fettywap (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

I would call it a data entry job. No one outside law knows what document review is.

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flyer14 (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

I'd spin it. Research assistant. Ensure compliance with regulations. Processed and synthesized large amounts of information in support of (X) program. Yadda yadda...

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 4:35 pm)

How? I entered law school in 1999. Everything I've done since then was a legal internship working for a law professor, and 15 years of doc review.

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jackofspeed (Sep 21, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

Eh if you really want out of law, you may be a candidate for "go-to-school and re-tool"

Do you know any foreign languages or have an interest in learning any?

If you're not tied down to a specific location, why not go to a cheap school someplace and pick up a degree? If you need a loan to live on go to school in the US (or do a "study-abroad" through a US school.)

You're particularly interested in jobs that don't require "selling" and personal interaction, right?

If you really wanted to get one of those privacy or compliance jobs go to a school that will let you write a master's thesis on an open issue in privacy law under one of their schools. Use that as the excuse to meet people at the companies you want to hire you after you graduate.

Being on campus gives you many benefits: you are around young people who aren't cynical or jaded (yet), you get free mental health counseling, you get free career counseling, you get a free gym, and you are back in an environment where you've proven you can excel.

You could be prepping for spring semester in Miami right now.

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therewillbeblood (Sep 21, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

TITCR. Hell if you could manage a funded graduate program, that's a job that lasts for years. Take the GRE.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 4:37 pm)

I'm not going back to school. I already wasted $250,000 on my education. I couldn't even if I wanted to.

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downwardslope (Sep 21, 2017 - 4:40 pm)

How did you waste $250k on your education? Didn't you finish 14 years ago?

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 5:44 pm)

Undergrad cost about $100,000k

Law school cost me about another $150k or so, I went a semester for an LLM program too. I also started law school in 1998, had to take a medical leave, had to withdraw, but too late to get any money back, didn't take exams first semester. Then started back up again in 1999. Oh, the withdrawals came up in EVERY on campus interview I had. I explained to them I was having a hearing problem (tinnitus) and that it's no longer an issue. I didn't get any call backs. So it's possible my anxiety wasn't completely responsible for me failing to get any job in law school, but even after I got the Ws removed from my transcript, I still didn't get any callbacks, though it was a lot less jobs that I had applied to or got OCIs for by that time.

Someone at the school career services office said mentioning the medical leave was like asking to not get a callback. However it the interviewers asking why I withdrew.

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inho2solo (Sep 21, 2017 - 5:55 pm)

you spent $150K on LS, graduating in 2002?

Even with the lost 1st semester in 1998, that's seriously hard to fathom.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 21, 2017 - 6:07 pm)

Basically I paid for 4 years of law school.

1st semester twice. Then completed law school. Then a semester in an LLM program which I withdrew from.

4 years of law school at 32,000 a year, plus living expenses.

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triplesix (Sep 21, 2017 - 6:08 pm)

full boat

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inho2solo (Sep 21, 2017 - 11:01 pm)

Not full boat - other threads OP has said s/he had some scholly. Also in some other threads (went back and looked) the LS debt was $118K, vs. $150K now.

Not sure what's really up.

Occasionally still gets my flame detector running.

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downwardslope (Sep 22, 2017 - 7:15 am)

This is a total flame. There is just no way. Law school was not that expensive in 1998. Tuition for my T25 law school was not that expensive when I started in the mid 2000s and I fail to believe it was more at a lower ranked school in 1998. I applied to schools at a variety of rankings and usually the lower ranked schools were more in the $23-28K tuition range, not MORE.

I also finished undergrad at around the same time and undergrad was simply not that expensive. Yes, if you paid full freight and took out the maximum of student loans, you could have gotten $100K in debt, but the likelihood you would qualify for that much in financial aid as an undergrad at that point is pretty unlikely. I had at least one friend in undergrad who had to leave because her parents' EFC was too high and they wouldn't contribute anything... she couldn't qualify for enough loans to pay and had to move back in with her parents. The money may be unlimited at the graduate level, but not at the undergraduate level when they are not sure you'll be able to pay it back and your parents are expected to contribute.

Now if he wants to say that debt ballooned, I can believe that. I did have a coworker with enormous debt since he finished law school before there was PSLF and he couldn't pay much back. I imagine he might be one of the first people getting his debt forgiven. But don't give me this nonsense about actually taking that much out.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 7:17 am)

My law school costs over $50k a year now.

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downwardslope (Sep 22, 2017 - 7:19 am)

What does that have to do with what it cost in 1998?

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flyer14 (Sep 22, 2017 - 7:57 am)

It's very possible to have 100,000 in student loan debt from undergrad, although some of it would probably be a private loan at that point. I know someone that graduated from undergrad, paid out-of-state tuition for five years plus full room and board all on loans... 150k

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 8:57 am)

GWU costs over $50,000 a year for just tuition now. If you don't get any scholarships, that's $200,000 just for tuition if you graduate on time.

Here's it' broken down
TUITION AND EXPENSES
Cost of Attendance $68,275
Tuition and Fees $51,950
Room and Board $12,500
Books and Supplies $1,275
Other Expenses $2,550

That's $273,000 for if you graduate on time.

I admit I'd be worse off and in bigger debt if I went now instead of when I did. But I still spent a crapload of money on my education and I can't get any kind of work anywhere.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 8:30 am)

It cost over $30,000 a year when I went, and I paid for 4 years of law school. That was TUITION alone. There was also rent, food, books, etc.. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

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flyer14 (Sep 22, 2017 - 9:03 am)

Have you considered moving out of the District of Criminals? I bet your outlook on life (and job prospects) would improve dramatically.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 9:15 am)

It's allegedly one of the best job markets. I was also born and raised here. If I could get a job somewhere else I'd move if thT job made me marketable

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flyer14 (Sep 22, 2017 - 9:28 am)

Whether it's a good job market or not is irrelevant.

By your own admission you have spent 15 years in document review and are looking for a way out, either to actually practice law or to leave it entirely. You've mentioned how you have anxiety or interviewing issues which torpedo your chances at getting jobs. So, the state of the job market had a small effect, at best, on your career prospects. If I tried something for 15 years and it didn't work... I'd try another way.

It's a huge country... give it a shot. A clean break might be enough for you to find a new identity elsewhere.

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downwardslope (Sep 22, 2017 - 9:32 am)

I had one professor who always said- "If the horse is dead, dismount. Beating a dead horse will not bring it back to life." The D.C. Horse is dead. It is time to dismount. D.C. Is also saturated with lawyers since anyone can waive in.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:14 pm)

In the past I looked for jobs in Kansas City and Buffalo, and didn't get anything. I did get a couple interviews in KC, but no offers, and I didn't even get interviews for Buffalo.

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petunia (Sep 21, 2017 - 9:19 pm)

you're

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thirdtierlaw (Sep 22, 2017 - 10:14 am)

The SBA has temporary hurricane relief jobs. Why not apply for one of those? They are only temporary, but it'll allow you to get some experience. I suspect, they'll be easy to get because other than unemployed people, who will be applying for a temporary full-time job? The pay isn't awesome, but it's better than what you're making now and likely better than what doc review is offering.

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sanka (Sep 22, 2017 - 11:21 am)

That also was on the local news. It helps if you know technology and have a security clearance. It seemed like nights and weekend hours were available. That was a few days ago.

Actually, it's a call center in Falls Church. It's a helpdesk position. You must live in Northern Virginia and......BE FLUENT IN SPANISH.

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thirdtierlaw (Sep 22, 2017 - 11:40 am)

The website has a bunch of different positions, besides just a help desk. It had attorney jobs, paralegal jobs, etc. There was also damage evaluators. I think I saw the helpdesk job as well.

Here is the link

https://www.sba.gov/disaster-assistance/hurricane-response-jobs-sba

The legal positions even offer to train.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:07 pm)

Thanks guys, i'll take a look at that.

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downwardslope (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:11 pm)

FEMA has a lot of temp jobs that come up on the main usajobs site when you log in.

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notreallyalawyer (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:56 pm)

The only stuff they had even near me was call center jobs about 40 miles from where i live.

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flyer14 (Sep 22, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

In my agency they did a call asking if any civilians wanted to go TDY for 45 days to assist with hurricane cleanup. There's definitely the opportunity out there.

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sanka (Sep 22, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

TDY only is for federal (I have a constitutionally guaranteed job for life but I still like to whine) employees.

Kindly stop teasing the rest of us low-life second-class citizens for life.

OP likely prefers practical advice.

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