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Who/what is the irreplaceable attorney?

Is it the rainmaker that brings in 5 times what he/she earns ambulancechaser201310/03/17
The associate/partner you're married to or dating. isthisit10/03/17
The rainmaker. patenttrollnj10/03/17
1) Rainmaker 2) Niche practice area that is difficult to pauperesq10/03/17
Almost the end. You need to include the person with family bittersweet10/05/17
Being a paper administrator ain't rocket science haha triplesix10/03/17
You could have graduated at the bottom of your class from a thirdtierlaw10/03/17
Please tell us how a bottom of class graduate at lower tier mississippilawyer10/03/17
I don't know about biglaw, but I've seen "bottom of class gr patenttrollnj10/03/17
There was a bit of hyperbole in my previous post, but there thirdtierlaw10/03/17
https://www.morrisbart.com/ Went to T4 law school. Gradua myalmamater10/04/17
Let's get real though, what are the chances? ambulancechaser201310/05/17
Cosigned I think associates don't realize how important i lawyer210/03/17
Family connections can result in a large book of business... jd4hire10/04/17
I love the quote: capable Attorneys are a dime a dozen. Inde ambulancechaser201310/04/17
ambulancechaser2013 (Oct 3, 2017 - 12:31 pm)

Is it the rainmaker that brings in 5 times what he/she earns a year? Is it the fellow family member attorney? Obviously it’s not the lawyer grinding 2200 hours a year. Are there any skill sets (trial skills) that make you harder to replace (I doubt it)?

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isthisit (Oct 3, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

The associate/partner you're married to or dating.

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patenttrollnj (Oct 3, 2017 - 1:46 pm)

The rainmaker.

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pauperesq (Oct 3, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

1) Rainmaker

2) Niche practice area that is difficult to learn without some prior training/skill set (because s/he is the "go to" attorney in the area, s/he often has a decent book of business too)

3) End of list.

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bittersweet (Oct 5, 2017 - 3:28 pm)

Almost the end. You need to include the person with family connections. While not necessarily a rainmaker (hell, not necessarily competent), the person who bring the firm business just because of who they are and who they are friends with and/or related to.

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triplesix (Oct 3, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

Being a paper administrator ain't rocket science haha

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 3, 2017 - 3:23 pm)

You could have graduated at the bottom of your class from a T4 school, but if you have a couple million dollar book of business, you could walk yourself into a partnership at a biglaw firm.

You can find people to make up for the rainmaker's failings. Capable attorneys are a dime a dozen.

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mississippilawyer (Oct 3, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

Please tell us how a bottom of class graduate at lower tier school ever gets a couple million dollar book of business? Never heard of that before. And even if they did, why would they ever want to go to biglaw and share what they worked so hard to earn??

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patenttrollnj (Oct 3, 2017 - 3:57 pm)

I don't know about biglaw, but I've seen "bottom of class graduate[s] at lower tier school[s]" do pretty well.

Never underestimate a well connected daddy who has a lot of local connections. It always helps.

Also, I have seen lawyers who are part of certain immigrant communities fill a special niche for their community, which can be quite lucrative. My firm has had clients who have been referred to us from such attorneys.

So yes, there are ways lower caliber law graduates can do well, but admittedly it's the exception to the rule AND it's very rare.

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 3, 2017 - 7:51 pm)

There was a bit of hyperbole in my previous post, but there was a discussion on here a few weeks ago about people we knew from low ranked schools going to biglaw. But it is not uncommon for biglaw to buy up niche practice firms that are doing big business.

With fear of repetition, my unofficial school mascot, i.e. they always brag about him when recruiting people, he went solo after law school because he couldn't find a job. 2 buddies from undergrad created an app but couldn't afford an attorney. Broke T3 grad agreed to help them out for a song. He did a passable job, so when his friend's friends needed a bit of help, they sent them to the grad for low cost startup work.

That first app exploded. You'd recognize the name. They were ready to move to a biglaw firm. They were good guys and did the T3 grad a solid by saying, "we really would love to work with you but T3 grad has been so great, we'd feel guilty leaving him."

T3 grad got a lucrative job offer the next week from the biglaw firm. It didn't hurt that a few of those other small tech companies were still doing well.

I should add for people thinking about law school. This 3rd grad is a huge exception to the rule. You'd probably have better odds with winning the lottery than replicating his path.

But the point remains. Money is king. Rainmakers are the most valuable part of any law firm.

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myalmamater (Oct 4, 2017 - 10:02 pm)

https://www.morrisbart.com/

Went to T4 law school. Graduated bottom of the class. Has millions of dollars and his own firm. It *Can* happen.

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ambulancechaser2013 (Oct 5, 2017 - 11:48 pm)

Let's get real though, what are the chances?

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lawyer2 (Oct 3, 2017 - 3:42 pm)

Cosigned

I think associates don't realize how important it is to bring in business. I understand if you're a young buck who's only real job was in the campus cafeteria during undergrad, but for the hustlers out there, you need to network to get-work! You should literally have to re-order business cards every year because you're passing them out like Halloween candy! I met one of the wealthiest individuals in my state (I googled him afterwards) at the grocery store the other day. We had a great 20 minute convo about sports and current events. You better believe I drop that business card on him, lol.

I wrote an article about this years ago
http://www.thecadillaclawyer.com/category/junior-associate/

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jd4hire (Oct 4, 2017 - 10:23 am)

Family connections can result in a large book of business....

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ambulancechaser2013 (Oct 4, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

I love the quote: capable Attorneys are a dime a dozen. Indeed. Capable attorneys are a Craigslist post away, at most LinkedIn Jobs if you really want quality.

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