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Small Business Administration administers disaster-related l bankofmouse10/04/17
Appreciate the information. Will have to check it out kramer71610/04/17
I am hedging that I didn't get the SSA job in New Mexico, so kramer71610/06/17
Wish I could but I don’t live in those areas. notreallyalawyer10/06/17
Keep in mind background checks take usually at least 2 month notreallyalawyer10/06/17
I called HR today. It sounded like they are sending out peop kramer71610/06/17
I figured background check would include a prior employment notreallyalawyer10/07/17
I posted this ad on one of your other threads. I believe the thirdtierlaw10/07/17
Do you know where you saw that? I've tried looking and could notreallyalawyer10/07/17
https://www.sba.gov/disaster-assist ance/hurricane-response-j thirdtierlaw10/07/17
Thanks. Hope they’ll consider someone with no experience i notreallyalawyer10/07/17
Good luck. Let me know if you hear anything and I will do th kramer71610/07/17
SUre will. I just applied right now notreallyalawyer10/08/17
just applied too petunia10/08/17
It's odd, the announcements are a bit different. I applied t notreallyalawyer10/08/17
It's not that odd. The SBA ad was posted a bit ago and who k thirdtierlaw10/08/17
The sba one also lists buffalo . That’s much much closer t notreallyalawyer10/08/17
They have three cities. I submitted an application to the ge kramer71610/08/17
One more thing to keep in mind, which might sway me to pick notreallyalawyer10/08/17
Yeah this is why I am trying to avoid doing doc review in Pi kramer71610/08/17
I feel to much shame to even try networking as a doc reviewe notreallyalawyer10/08/17
Also TX has no income tax but I doubt I’d qualify as a res notreallyalawyer10/08/17
why Pittsburgh for doc review? personal ties or something? petunia10/08/17
Cheap cost of living. Can crash with some friends initially kramer71610/08/17
can you call me I'd like to talk to you 7173798324 prosedave10/31/17
Curious, who was that a reply to? notreallyalawyer10/31/17
Who are you referring to? Me or Notreally? If you want to ge kramer71610/31/17
Thanks for the poast, we got talent here! triplesix10/06/17
Also, on the ad that was provided here, they give you the op kramer71610/08/17
Well the sba sure says sba people will train you. I wonder i notreallyalawyer10/08/17
They do say they will train you, but the question is how muc kramer71610/08/17
I'm sure they'd want people to do things correctly. Anyways, notreallyalawyer10/08/17
I am preparing myself to expect a very rudimentary training kramer71610/09/17
Me thinks I won’t be hearing from them. A potential for 6 notreallyalawyer10/10/17
Go with the sure thing. If the 6-month thing is offered to y kramer71610/10/17
I’d much rather do the SBA thing though notreallyalawyer10/10/17
Doesn't change the advice. Go for the sure thing. If they of kramer71610/10/17
I can't afford to burn bridges though. If I tell this temp a notreallyalawyer10/10/17
Do what you want to do, but a federal job looks better on yo kramer71610/10/17
Heck, if I respond to this doc review gig, they probably won notreallyalawyer10/10/17
Do this. Apply to the Doc review position. GIve it 24 hours kramer71610/10/17
I am in DC. Curious why you don’t do doc review in DC. Is notreallyalawyer10/10/17
There is a decent amount, but it's more the cost of living. kramer71610/10/17
DO they require PA bar? notreallyalawyer10/10/17
not that I have seen. Just need a license and some don't req kramer71610/10/17
Good. I dread DC so much. notreallyalawyer10/10/17
I love DC and will continue to try and get a federal job the kramer71610/10/17
Looks like neither is panning out. Never heard from SBA and notreallyalawyer10/14/17
The background check is prior crimes/owe the government mone whipster10/14/17
They don’t do phone interviews? I think they have buffalo notreallyalawyer10/14/17
It is appreciated. That is a new email address, so will have kramer71610/16/17
Should have asked this earlier. Did you apply and get picked kramer71610/16/17
Sorry, the previous question is open to anyone. THis job wou kramer71610/16/17
Anybody hear anything? notreallyalawyer10/20/17
Nope. Called them on Monday and they gave an estimate of a w kramer71610/20/17
NO I just emailed them and didn’t hear back from them notreallyalawyer10/20/17
I was told to call SBA, but the person that told me to call kramer71610/30/17
Just received a call. Have to fill out the forms, but sounds kramer71610/30/17
Congrats. Don’t stop your hustle, keep your eyes and ears burneremail10/30/17
Did you have an interview? notreallyalawyer10/30/17
Congrats man! Hopefully the experience will help you land an brownbear10/30/17
Congrats! I appreciate your posts on this board because alt blackholelaw10/30/17
I appreciate all your sentiments. To answer the question, I kramer71610/31/17
Congrats anyways, it'll look better on your resume than doc notreallyalawyer10/31/17
Call the office and ask for a status update. You have nothin kramer71610/31/17
Was fingerprinted and had my picture taken today. No start d kramer71611/08/17
Congrats Kramer716!! So happy for you!! trophy201711/08/17
Congratulations on adding yet another federal job (after Gua aknas11/08/17
It is appreciated. If anyone applied and hasn't heard anythi kramer71611/08/17
Also, to recap the process. I sent my stuff in. Didn't hear kramer71611/08/17
Just an FYI, they posted this position on USAJOBS.gov, befor kramer71611/14/17
I'm curious if they still need more people and put up a USAj notreallyalawyer11/14/17
I would apply using that ad and I would call them. kramer71611/14/17
I'm curious why if they jobs are NTE 6 months, why is the op notreallyalawyer11/15/17
It’s my understanding the NTE jobs can be extended on an a burneremail11/15/17
No, that didn't happen. notreallyalawyer11/15/17
Why not? downwardslope11/15/17
And btw, you should absolutely take a term fed job over doc burneremail11/15/17
This doc review gig could go 6 month possibly to a year. Plu notreallyalawyer11/15/17
I sent in my materials for this when it first popped up and startupesq11/21/17
Agreed. I am still waiting to hear after I was fingerprinted kramer71611/21/17
I’m late, but jumping in this thread. I worked at the SBA diligentsolo11/25/17
Appreciate the post. I have a few questions, and will probab kramer71611/27/17
1. Training was about a week. It was a lot, but nothing you diligentsolo12/01/17
I have been picked up for this job, but they have given the kramer71612/02/17
They don't want you there long enough to collect unemploymen esquire13812/02/17
So in NY, i think that is two quarters. I will take six mont kramer71612/02/17
Yes $23 an hour is normal. It was $24/hour when I was there diligentsolo12/03/17
Where was your office? And yeah the pay-rate seems low, but kramer71612/03/17
If you work 10 hour days 6 days a week you will likely do ok notreallyalawyer12/03/17
I am not staying at a hotel. It's an apartment building. 725 kramer71612/03/17
The rates they listed on the websites and usajobs was much h notreallyalawyer12/03/17
Just to give an update. I start Monday in the Buffalo office kramer71612/08/17
Good luck! notreallyalawyer12/08/17
It is appreciated. I am just hoping that the people I work w kramer71612/08/17
Thanks! If my possible long term gig doesn’t pan out I wil notreallyalawyer12/08/17
I started the position on Monday. I think there are 17 of us kramer71612/12/17
Besides the hotel which really surprises me (well, it is in diligentsolo12/13/17
Yeah I have no point of reference for what they do at the ot kramer71612/13/17
Good luck Kramer. trophy201712/13/17
Can you request a Dallas job? notreallyalawyer12/13/17
Appreciate the well wishes. It sounds like they are putting kramer71612/13/17
Thanks. I have a contingent offer for one of those law clerk notreallyalawyer12/13/17
After a week doing the job I will give you my impressions. T kramer71612/16/17
Won’t you learn useful skills there? I literally have zero notreallyalawyer12/16/17
THe paralegals and attorneys do the same job 95% of the time kramer71612/17/17
Would what you do help you get a job in the loan industry ? notreallyalawyer12/17/17
I don't know the loan industry, but possible. I don't think kramer71612/17/17
How complex are the ideas you communicate? If it’s just to notreallyalawyer12/17/17
First call is to introduce yourself and explain you are the kramer71612/17/17
I doubt that would be too problematic for me notreallyalawyer12/17/17
Then would get on the horn and call SBA. They are getting a kramer71612/17/17
I’ve already got a long term doc review gig and a law cler notreallyalawyer12/17/17
Good for you. As I said if you have any other job prospects kramer71612/17/17
I doubt it is permanent, as the contract doesn't last foreve notreallyalawyer12/17/17
Hi Kramer716. How is everything going? trophy201712/21/17
It is going as well as to be expected. Not insane yet, but e kramer71612/21/17
Well good luck to you. I have a full time job but still loo trophy201712/22/17
Good luck to you as well. HOpefully we can catch on with the kramer71612/22/17
Good luck. Please keep us updated about every month or so. bittersweet12/28/17
He’s probably under 4 feet of snow notreallyalawyer12/28/17
Don't be an idiot. It's 3.5 feet. Kidding kidding. It is fre kramer71612/28/17
I hate doc review I just can’t get anything else. Hopefull notreallyalawyer12/18/17
Just an update. Looks like the hiring is done. When there is kramer71601/16/18

bankofmouse (Oct 4, 2017 - 9:07 pm)

Small Business Administration administers disaster-related loans for individuals and businesses. Following the recent hurricanes, they are busy. It's hourly, but likely significant OT at least initially. Licensed in any state welcome.


https://l.tx.bar.associationcareernetwork.com/c/job.cfm?utm%5Fcampaign=Oct%2D02&utm%5Fmedium=Email&utm%5Fcontent=JobPost&jb=36876517&utm%5Fsource=JobsEmail&msessid=YTDLH

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kramer716 (Oct 4, 2017 - 9:58 pm)

Appreciate the information. Will have to check it out

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kramer716 (Oct 6, 2017 - 7:46 pm)

I am hedging that I didn't get the SSA job in New Mexico, so applied for this. Anyone else?

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 6, 2017 - 7:56 pm)

Wish I could but I don’t live in those areas.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 6, 2017 - 7:59 pm)

Keep in mind background checks take usually at least 2 months

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kramer716 (Oct 6, 2017 - 8:10 pm)

I called HR today. It sounded like they are sending out people ASAP. They gave a timeframe of two weeks. Run the credit check and off you go, but it is the feds so who the hell knows.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 7, 2017 - 9:41 am)

I figured background check would include a prior employment background check, which takes a while. Wish I could do this, could learn something, but I can't afford to move for some temporary job, and I'd lose most of what I make to paying rent or long term hotel, even a crappy long term hotel, costs a lot.

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 7, 2017 - 12:42 pm)

I posted this ad on one of your other threads. I believe they completely pay your travel and per diem.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 7, 2017 - 1:00 pm)

Do you know where you saw that? I've tried looking and couldn't see anything other than some food per diem listed on glass door. I think they would have mentioned this in the ad on the TX bar webpage.. If they did that, i could do this, but if they don't, I'd be taking a really large financial risk just with housing myself.

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 7, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

https://www.sba.gov/disaster-assistance/hurricane-response-jobs-sba#section-header-2

It is the first sentence under compensation under the legal job description.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 7, 2017 - 4:18 pm)

Thanks. Hope they’ll consider someone with no experience in that.

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kramer716 (Oct 7, 2017 - 5:51 pm)

Good luck. Let me know if you hear anything and I will do the same.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

SUre will. I just applied right now

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petunia (Oct 8, 2017 - 3:55 pm)

just applied too

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 4:09 pm)

It's odd, the announcements are a bit different. I applied to the SBA one, whereas the Texas bar one lists different work locations and different pay rates, the SBA one mentions the per diem and travel, the TX one doesn't.. I wonder which is the more recent one.

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 8, 2017 - 4:22 pm)

It's not that odd. The SBA ad was posted a bit ago and who knows how much interest they had. If I was unemployed or in a job I could leave for a few months, I'd have jumped on it for the training. We know it pays better than most doc review.

The second and probably more likely reason is that the second ad was on the tx bar. They aren't going to offer to pay someone's per diem if they are only commuting across town.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 4:40 pm)

The sba one also lists buffalo . That’s much much closer to me but winter there would be a nightmare. I have zero snow driving experience

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kramer716 (Oct 8, 2017 - 6:23 pm)

They have three cities. I submitted an application to the general ad, and I submitted an application to the one on the Texas bar website. I think I will probably get called for the BUffalo opening just because of geography, but would happily take Dallas or Sacramento because I won't complain if I get away from a Buffalo winter.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 7:46 pm)

One more thing to keep in mind, which might sway me to pick TX if I get a choice. I'm a member of the NY bar. If I work in Buffalo that means I'd be "practicing law" in NY, meaning I'd have to do CLEs. I'd like to avoid that. Working say a few months might create need for me to have 2 years of CLE, costs a lot of money, and nothing I ever learned from it ever helped me. i wouldn't mind doing CLE if it could help me get a job or be a lawyer.

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kramer716 (Oct 8, 2017 - 7:49 pm)

Yeah this is why I am trying to avoid doing doc review in Pittsburgh because it would trigger CLEs. Although, the flip side is I would be going to a lot of em, so networking opportunities would arise.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 7:57 pm)

I feel to much shame to even try networking as a doc reviewer. I can’t imagine people taking me seriously after 13-14 years of doc review. Also I’m a horrible socializer. When I was in college during rush st my fraternity they just said wear your hat and shut up. You look cool but as soon as you open your mouth...

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 7:58 pm)

Also TX has no income tax but I doubt I’d qualify as a resident from this

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petunia (Oct 8, 2017 - 9:47 pm)

why Pittsburgh for doc review? personal ties or something?

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kramer716 (Oct 8, 2017 - 10:09 pm)

Cheap cost of living. Can crash with some friends initially then their apartments are cheap, so best landing spot. I was looking at Charlotte, but Pitt's just a bit cheaper.

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prosedave (Oct 31, 2017 - 2:18 pm)

can you call me I'd like to talk to you 7173798324

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 31, 2017 - 2:22 pm)

Curious, who was that a reply to?

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kramer716 (Oct 31, 2017 - 2:25 pm)

Who are you referring to? Me or Notreally? If you want to get a hold of me then feel free to email at [email protected]

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triplesix (Oct 6, 2017 - 8:17 pm)

Thanks for the poast, we got talent here!

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kramer716 (Oct 8, 2017 - 6:33 pm)

Also, on the ad that was provided here, they give you the option to call HR. I did, but they just told me to send it to the email address that they listed. I tried to gauge how long the job would last, and she didn't know. I tried to gauge how soon they were starting, and she only told me about Buffalo, and it sounded like they want people to start in a couple of weeks. It sounded like they just wanted time to do their credit check, and then you get thrown into the fire.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 7:36 pm)

Well the sba sure says sba people will train you. I wonder if they’ll consider lawyers for non lawyer positions

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kramer716 (Oct 8, 2017 - 7:45 pm)

They do say they will train you, but the question is how much training. It sounds like it will be high-volume work for a while, so they may give you just a rudimentary training process, and off you go to get the ball rolling. I think the key will be working with other new hires to figure crap out, so hopefully, wherever we end up we don't end up with a bunch of jackasses.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 8, 2017 - 8:20 pm)

I'm sure they'd want people to do things correctly. Anyways, if they pick me, and it takes a few weeks before I start, I'll ask them if there's anything i should be reading to help prepare myself. I took a few property courses in law school besides just the 1L property course, but they didn't much go into loans other than stating the name of construction loans, takeout loans, stuff like that, plus this was 17 or so years ago, but I did win an award from my law school for my performance in property law classes. Like that helped me at all :(

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kramer716 (Oct 9, 2017 - 1:36 pm)

I am preparing myself to expect a very rudimentary training process, and I am expecting to be thrown to the wolves almost immediately. I plan on doing what I did when I was on Guam, and by that I mean get to know everyone in the office, and figure out who I can talk to that will actually be helpful. If I can find a few people who I can bounce ideas off of or ask questions of, then I will be happy. Having said that, first things first and hope to hear something about the hiring process this week. If you want Buffalo, then I would expect to start in two weeks. I got that from the HR rep, but she could be wrong, but that is what I am working off of.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

Me thinks I won’t be hearing from them. A potential for 6 month gig has popped up in DC. Can’t mention these possibilities or they won’t take me on . Crap now this makes me hesitate to even apply for doc review jobs.

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 1:01 pm)

Go with the sure thing. If the 6-month thing is offered to you then take it, and if the other job comes along then great.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

I’d much rather do the SBA thing though

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 2:03 pm)

Doesn't change the advice. Go for the sure thing. If they offer you the 6-month thing do that, and if you get an offer to do the SBA deal then take it. Look out for you.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 2:53 pm)

I can't afford to burn bridges though. If I tell this temp agency I have no prospects and can work the 6 months, if I get and take something else and end early, they'll black list me. The honest likelihood even if I got this SBA job, I'd be returning to doc review when it ends, and can't afford to risk alienating a firm or an agency.

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 2:59 pm)

Do what you want to do, but a federal job looks better on your resume than another document review position. Having said that, first things first, we have to get the SBA job.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 3:05 pm)

Heck, if I respond to this doc review gig, they probably won't even contact me back, that's happened the last three gigs I've applied to now.. I never thought I'd have even a problem getting doc review work. God my life sucks.

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 3:17 pm)

Do this. Apply to the Doc review position. GIve it 24 hours then call them. Don't just email and expect a callback. If you are in NYC they may be hesitant to call you for a DC position, so you will want to do something to address those concerns. I tried that approach with zero success which is why if SBA falls through I am moving to Pittsburgh for that purpose

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 3:49 pm)

I am in DC. Curious why you don’t do doc review in DC. Is there much work in Pitt?

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 4:09 pm)

There is a decent amount, but it's more the cost of living. For what it takes to live a month in DC I can live about 4 months in Pittsburgh.

Having said that, if you applied to that 6-month DC position call them same time tomorrow

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 4:21 pm)

DO they require PA bar?

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 4:25 pm)

not that I have seen. Just need a license and some don't require that.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 10, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

Good. I dread DC so much.

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kramer716 (Oct 10, 2017 - 4:41 pm)

I love DC and will continue to try and get a federal job there, but if you are doing doc review, then not my first choice. I would pick the cheapest city with the most doc review jobs, but not sure how you figure that out.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 14, 2017 - 11:39 am)

Looks like neither is panning out. Never heard from SBA and I interviewed with temp agency but don’t know if I’m going to be placed on the project. I’ll apply to more agencies this week. That sba thing would have been nice. But guess it was too good to be true. Me getting practical experience that might even be marketable.

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whipster (Oct 14, 2017 - 5:51 pm)

The background check is prior crimes/owe the government money.

They also pull your credit. If you haven't heard from them reach out to them. There is a number in their ads. If you are breathing, have a bar card, and can get there in a few days, they will interview you.

Agency Contact: Disaster Reserve Human Resources Specialist
Phone: 1-866-407-7795
Fax: 202-292-3876
Email: [email protected]

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 14, 2017 - 6:14 pm)

They don’t do phone interviews? I think they have buffalo too but someone says that starts in 2 weeks

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kramer716 (Oct 16, 2017 - 8:55 am)

It is appreciated. That is a new email address, so will have to email them today. Will also call.

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kramer716 (Oct 16, 2017 - 11:54 am)

Should have asked this earlier. Did you apply and get picked up? IF so, what was the process? When you called did they schedule for the interview or did they tell you to use the email address?

How long after applying did it take for them to interview you?

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kramer716 (Oct 16, 2017 - 10:46 pm)

Sorry, the previous question is open to anyone. THis job wouldn't be my first choice, but it would be a satisfactory parachute.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 20, 2017 - 9:48 am)

Anybody hear anything?

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kramer716 (Oct 20, 2017 - 9:51 am)

Nope. Called them on Monday and they gave an estimate of a week. If I don't hear anything today I will call Monday. Did you call and talk to them

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 20, 2017 - 6:40 pm)

NO I just emailed them and didn’t hear back from them

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kramer716 (Oct 30, 2017 - 1:14 pm)

I was told to call SBA, but the person that told me to call wasn't in the office so left a voicemail. It seems they are making some movement there.

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kramer716 (Oct 30, 2017 - 4:48 pm)

Just received a call. Have to fill out the forms, but sounds like I will get the job for as long as it lasts. They want me for the Buffalo office because I am local so they don't have to pay for travel or anything else. Not ideal, but will do it for as long as it lasts.

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burneremail (Oct 30, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

Congrats. Don’t stop your hustle, keep your eyes and ears open, work hard, hopefully you roll it into a fed position after it ends.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 30, 2017 - 5:04 pm)

Did you have an interview?

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brownbear (Oct 30, 2017 - 5:34 pm)

Congrats man! Hopefully the experience will help you land another fed gig.

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blackholelaw (Oct 30, 2017 - 6:38 pm)

Congrats! I appreciate your posts on this board because although you're in a crappy situation (like most of us here), you keep hustling and don't give up.

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kramer716 (Oct 31, 2017 - 8:45 am)

I appreciate all your sentiments. To answer the question, I wouldn't call it a formal interview. I think it was an attorney from the Dallas office called me, so not HR. SHe just asked if I had any conflicts with time during the length of the job. She gave the spiel that it's a temporary position. She wanted to know if I am local to Buffalo, and I am, so I don't get the housing subsidy. There aren't any questions about experience; it was just do you have any conflicts with time. Oh, I did get one ice-breaker Guam question. You may want to call and just say you haven't heard anything, and I am assuming you haven't and see what the status is.

As for not giving up hustling, I cannot afford to. If this job was for a few years, I might be tempted, but if this is only for a few months, then I will need a fallback. I did ask about an estimate as to how long the job will last and didn't get an answer so no clue how long it will last. Thank you again for the good wishes, and we will see what happens.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 31, 2017 - 9:37 am)

Congrats anyways, it'll look better on your resume than doc review. The only people I've heard of getting these jobs lived in TX or NY, so I think they aren't considering me because they look like they don't want to pay per diems. I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers already in NY or TX to fill this stuff that they don't have to pay extra for.

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kramer716 (Oct 31, 2017 - 9:54 am)

Call the office and ask for a status update. You have nothing to lose

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kramer716 (Nov 8, 2017 - 1:06 pm)

Was fingerprinted and had my picture taken today. No start date yet, but think I am 99% there

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trophy2017 (Nov 8, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

Congrats Kramer716!! So happy for you!!

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aknas (Nov 8, 2017 - 2:44 pm)

Congratulations on adding yet another federal job (after Guam and N. Mar. Is.) onto your resume.

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kramer716 (Nov 8, 2017 - 2:51 pm)

It is appreciated. If anyone applied and hasn't heard anything then call the SBA. It seemed to work for me.

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kramer716 (Nov 8, 2017 - 7:46 pm)

Also, to recap the process. I sent my stuff in. Didn't hear anything after a week, so I emailed and called the office. Didn't hear anything for about 5 days when the attorney from Dallas called me. She asked if I will have any time conflicts, and I don't. She said they would do a credit check and then I would do fingerprints. From the time of the call until I received the email to do the credit check was about a week as well. I did the fingerprints today, so if the timing holds then I will probably get the green light next Wednesday, and probably start work on Monday the 20th. I would say the process lasted about four weeks. There is not a reference check. The only checks they make are credit and criminal.

The one caveat to my experience is I am local to the Buffalo office, so they don't have to pay my travel or housing. I am sure that helped my application, but it sounds like they still need people so if you need a job then I would apply.

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kramer716 (Nov 14, 2017 - 3:27 pm)

Just an FYI, they posted this position on USAJOBS.gov, before I found it on my law school's website, so if you want a more detailed description as to what the position is then I would go there. I am pleased to see that they are providing health insurance, at least per that listing.

To give an update on my situation, I haven't heard back regarding a start date, but hope to soon.

They are taking applications until April 28th. They also say it will last six months, so you do have some semblance of stability in the position. Not a lot, but trumps doc review.

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 14, 2017 - 4:29 pm)

I'm curious if they still need more people and put up a USAjobs ad, why didn't they bother responding to the people who applied?

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kramer716 (Nov 14, 2017 - 4:49 pm)

I would apply using that ad and I would call them.

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 15, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

I'm curious why if they jobs are NTE 6 months, why is the open period so long until the end of april which is basically 6 months? Basically i could wait until then to apply and still get a 6 month appointment after my current contract gig ends? I'd rather wait if that's the case, because I wouldn't want to burn bridges with my temp agency by leaving the job early because I'm likely going to return to doing contract work after this thing anyways.

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burneremail (Nov 15, 2017 - 3:12 pm)

It’s my understanding the NTE jobs can be extended on an ad hoc basis. If they get you for 6 months, then realize they need you for 4 more they’ll just extend your term.

Did you interview for the tax thing already?

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 15, 2017 - 3:14 pm)

No, that didn't happen.

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downwardslope (Nov 15, 2017 - 3:45 pm)

Why not?

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burneremail (Nov 15, 2017 - 3:15 pm)

And btw, you should absolutely take a term fed job over doc review. When you put in your notice and the reason is you got a full time fed gig, they’re never going to hold it against you. And if they did, why would you ever want to go through that agency again? An agency is never going to look out for your best interest. You are responsible for that. Apply, if offered take it. Don’t look back.

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 15, 2017 - 3:35 pm)

This doc review gig could go 6 month possibly to a year. Plus it's where I live, I wouldn't have the dealing with my pets, my sick parents (mom was in the hospital all last week) I don't think i could leave the area now..

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startupesq (Nov 21, 2017 - 11:35 am)

I sent in my materials for this when it first popped up and I was contacted on a Sunday. I returned the guy's call and played phone tag with him for about a week. I am no longer interested in the position because it is no longer feasible for me to travel to Texas or New York, but they have called every weekend (on Saturdays and Sundays) for the last month requesting to set up an interview. Therefore, anyone who is really interested in the position should feel free to reach out to them. Good luck!

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kramer716 (Nov 21, 2017 - 1:16 pm)

Agreed. I am still waiting to hear after I was fingerprinted, but it seems they need bodies so if you submitted your docs and hadn't heard anything, then call.

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diligentsolo (Nov 25, 2017 - 11:41 pm)

I’m late, but jumping in this thread. I worked at the SBA disaster assistance office in TX several years ago. My friend told me to fax my resume to XYZ fax number, and very quickly after I was hired. I worked there about six months, they hired anyone with a JD (licensed somewhere) and a pulse at that time. It was quite a ride that frankly I enjoyed. Training was fast because there is too much to cover - you just have to go out here and start doing it. Please just accept that fact, complaining won’t help. Everyone (mostly) on the phone respects you more just because you work for the federal government. They hire temps based on the level of natural disasters in the country (e.g. Harvey and Florida), so if you see a major hurricane hit that causes widespread damage AND it is a federally declared disaster, they are likely hiring again. Most of the employees I worked with were temp with a small core of permanent employees. If you don’t know what you’re doing you’ll be gone in the first round of layoffs. If you have further questions feel free to ask.

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kramer716 (Nov 27, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

Appreciate the post. I have a few questions, and will probably think of some more but will you give what I have for now.

1. How long was your training? It seems like the job is supposed to be about six months, so cannot imagine it's too extended. I am guessing a week.

2. How big was your hiring class? Did you start on your own or did you start with a group? I was told that you start as a group, but just seeking to confirm.

3. How soon after you were fingerprinted did you start work? Also, how much notice did they give you when they gave you the start date?

4. How big were the first round of layoffs? Was it a couple of attorneys or a decent amount? Was it one particular thing that they were doing wrong, or was it just not meeting a quota?

5. Were you local to the office or were you given the hotel/car deal? If they paid for your housing, where did they stick you? Were you near the office or did they stick you about two counties over?

I think those are the questions I have for now. Appreciate any information you can provide.

Chris

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diligentsolo (Dec 1, 2017 - 11:51 am)

1. Training was about a week. It was a lot, but nothing you can't do.

2. My hiring class was about 8 people. I was trained with a group that formed two teams on the floor. Each team had about 8-10 people. The teams were a mix of new people and longer-term employees.

3. I don't remember how much time, but it was a short time between sending my resume and starting training.

4. It was big groups of attorneys (including non-attorneys). I think like 40-50 people at a time. They hired around 800 temporary employees at that time, and laid off about once every two weeks (once layoffs started). First, we all had crazy overtime. Then the overtime was phased out over time. Then layoffs started. They paused the layoffs for a few weeks and then resumed again. I joked that we were all in the Hunger Games to see who survived last. Over time it was surreal seeing rows and rows of empty cubicles that were once bustling with people. They first get rid of the people that just aren't getting it. It should be obvious who those people are at that point. I could get feel for who was likely next. Later on, as the ranks thinned, they based it purely on numbers - some would disagree, but that is what they said and that is what seemed to happen. Nothing personal, they just need to pick someone. Getting canned isn't easy even when you know its coming.

5. I lived close enough to commute to the office (a longer commute, but very doable). Ha, they would not pay for your housing. There were way too many locals attorneys available to even consider that. Many of the temp attorneys were former doc reviewers.

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kramer716 (Dec 2, 2017 - 5:32 pm)

I have been picked up for this job, but they have given the standard disclaimer of we don't know how long you will be working. It could be a month, could be a year. I tried to peg down 90 days and they wouldn't commit to that, so who the hell knows. I checked with the HR group, and I am part of the second wave of hires.

Also, and if you work for the Feds, you may already know this. I thought they paid you based on where the office is, but apparently, it's where you live, so I will be getting $23 an hour which I guess is the national standard.

Anyway, if you are thinking of applying for this position then I would do it, but I would bring a doc review mindset to it. By that I mean it will be short-term and I will be looking for an escape hatch ASAP.

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esquire138 (Dec 2, 2017 - 6:15 pm)

They don't want you there long enough to collect unemployment benefits.

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kramer716 (Dec 2, 2017 - 6:22 pm)

So in NY, i think that is two quarters. I will take six months' or 5 months and three weeks worth of money. I hopefully will land something else during that time.

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diligentsolo (Dec 3, 2017 - 5:18 pm)

Yes $23 an hour is normal. It was $24/hour when I was there (based on where I was). I got paid overtime which was nice.

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kramer716 (Dec 3, 2017 - 7:36 pm)

Where was your office? And yeah the pay-rate seems low, but I am not complaining. I think the OT is about 35, so will just bank as much as I can while I am there and try to get out ASAP.

As for not wanting to spend the money, if you are on a doc review project that pays better, then absolutely stay there, but if you are not working then 23 is better than nothing.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 3, 2017 - 7:55 pm)

If you work 10 hour days 6 days a week you will likely do okay but me paying for a hotel wouldn’t probably be worth it

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kramer716 (Dec 3, 2017 - 10:35 pm)

I am not staying at a hotel. It's an apartment building. 725 a month and they do month to month, so not horrible. Utilities included. Anyway, if you have a doc review project then go with that, but if you are still looking I would call and see what your status is.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 3, 2017 - 5:27 pm)

The rates they listed on the websites and usajobs was much higher than that. No way I’d move there for that kind of pay then have to pay for hotels

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kramer716 (Dec 8, 2017 - 2:22 pm)

Just to give an update. I start Monday in the Buffalo office. It sounds like they want you to work ten hour days, six days a week. They let you pick your start time so that you can go 7 AM to 5 PM. 8 PM to 6 PM, or 9 AM to 7 PM. In the ten hours is a half-hour lunch which is unpaid and two fifteen minute breaks which I believe are paid, so you are technically working 9 hours a day. I have training Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday then it sounds like they throw you into the water.

The job isn't ideal and I wish I could ballpark how long it will last, but it's a launching point. Hopefully, the SSA starts another round of mass hiring and I can relocate because even though I am a Western NYer, Buffalo winters do SUCK

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 8, 2017 - 2:26 pm)

Good luck!

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kramer716 (Dec 8, 2017 - 3:30 pm)

It is appreciated. I am just hoping that the people I work with are decent. I am guessing this gig probably lasts until Memorial day weekend so will just have to bank as much as possible, and hopefully find a nice landing spot. I hope the doc review Gods have been kind to you, and if you are still interested in one of these positions I will keep my ear open to see if I can get you any information.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 8, 2017 - 3:37 pm)

Thanks! If my possible long term gig doesn’t pan out I will certainly consider the sba job

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kramer716 (Dec 12, 2017 - 8:51 pm)

I started the position on Monday. I think there are 17 of us in this class, and seven out of the 17 are not local to Buffalo. We have people from MI, FL, OH, TX, and a few other places I am blanking on. I have to say I was surprised the number is that high. They stuck them in a hotel in Amherst which is a suburb about 11 miles away from the office. Very nice hotel, though. The government isn't cheaping out on the lodging.

The training has been going since yesterday and concludes on Wednesday. Personally, I think the training has been crappy, but I am more of a hands-on learner, so will have to take my lumps when I actually start work. The way the schedule works is you have to pick a one-hour block in which you have to start work. So something like 7 AM to 8 AM, 7:15 to 8:15, 7:30 to 8:30 and you have to work ten hours and you have to take a mandatory 30 minute unpaid lunch. You get two fifteen minute breaks which I assume are paid, so you really are working 9.5 hours a day. You work six days a week, and you get to pick whether you want Saturday or Sunday off. The OT only kicks in once you are there past six PM. I prefer to get home ASAP, so will probably do the 7:15 to 8:15 hour and be out by 5:45.

If you have a choice of jobs, then I would not take this position. If you do not have any job prospects, then I would take this and bank as much as you can. They mentioned it should last for six months. Some people in the Buffalo office have been there since 9/11 and Katrina, so there is a chance you can be there for a while, but I would bank on six months or less.

And with my luck, I haven't heard squat about job possibilities until I took this position, but as soon as I take this position I get a call from a nice tropical island, so hopefully, I won't be on this job for too long.

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diligentsolo (Dec 13, 2017 - 1:20 am)

Besides the hotel which really surprises me (well, it is in Buffalo which is not a metropolis), sounds about right. Yes the breaks are paid. I was in a different state when I worked at SBA. I eventually found the work enjoyable, but not everyone agrees. Sorry for the uber-slow replies; I am not on here much lately.

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kramer716 (Dec 13, 2017 - 6:59 am)

Yeah I have no point of reference for what they do at the other locales, but surprised they sprung for this level of hotel. They did split the rental cars up, so it's two people to one car.

I am thinking I will not be a fan of the work, but to be fair I haven't started yet so what do I know. Just wish they would have trained us by taking a case and walking through how to do it versus just talking about the stuff like it is in a vacuum. I have been told that we are getting cheatsheets, but so far nada.

Anyway, really hoping I am not stuck here for long, and I get the position and I return to the islands soon because Buffalo winters SUCK

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trophy2017 (Dec 13, 2017 - 9:02 am)

Good luck Kramer.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 13, 2017 - 3:23 pm)

Can you request a Dallas job?

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kramer716 (Dec 13, 2017 - 6:09 pm)

Appreciate the well wishes. It sounds like they are putting people in Buffalo. There is another class forming up for Jan. 2nd. If you want to get on that train I would pick up the phone and call and see if you can get the process moving that way.

Didn't sound like Dallas or Sacramento is promising in the near future

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 13, 2017 - 6:55 pm)

Thanks. I have a contingent offer for one of those law clerk jobs. If it doesn’t come to fruition I’ll look at sba temp jobs

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kramer716 (Dec 16, 2017 - 7:22 pm)

After a week doing the job I will give you my impressions. The training is absolutely useless. They speak of everything like it's in a vacuum. You will be married to your computers while you are there, but they don't start training you on the computers until the very end of the last day of training. AFter training you get a day where you are "mentored" and just shadow people. We didn't get our first case until today,so they do start you slow and pick up the pace after a week or two. They do advertise the job as temporary, but the people who are our bosses started out the same way, so there is a chance you can get long-term employment out of the deal, but I would put the odds at about 5%. Nothing to base that on, just a gut instinct. I have heard stories that people who took this job had things lined up and they took this job anyway, and that blows my mind. If you have any other prospects besides this I would take those in a second. This job should be a last resort, and you are freaking nuts if you aren't doing a job search while this is going on. So far they aren't sticklers with ensuring people are at their desks, but I am sure someone will be stupid and screw that up. I am hoping to be gone ASAP, but if I stay on it looks like it will end around Memorial day week assuming I survive the whole time.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 16, 2017 - 7:56 pm)

Won’t you learn useful skills there? I literally have zero legal experience

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kramer716 (Dec 17, 2017 - 11:48 am)

THe paralegals and attorneys do the same job 95% of the time. The only attorney thing that you will do is occasionally provide an opinion. You get experience closing loans and handling people, but not so much attorney experience.

If you want experience I would find a rural county where you are barred and try to get picked up by legal aid, prosecutors or public defender's office.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 17, 2017 - 12:12 pm)

Would what you do help you get a job in the loan industry ?

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kramer716 (Dec 17, 2017 - 12:21 pm)

I don't know the loan industry, but possible. I don't think you like talking on the phone, so fair warning you have to do that a lot in the job.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 17, 2017 - 12:31 pm)

How complex are the ideas you communicate? If it’s just to say someone needs to send in a form or provide info, no big deal but if I’m talking to someone who holds my livelihood in their hands and I have to explain a complex factual issue or issue of law I’d be in trouble

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kramer716 (Dec 17, 2017 - 2:39 pm)

First call is to introduce yourself and explain you are the contact person for their case. Every call after that is to either get information or ask if they sent forms in.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 17, 2017 - 2:56 pm)

I doubt that would be too problematic for me

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kramer716 (Dec 17, 2017 - 7:58 pm)

Then would get on the horn and call SBA. They are getting a class together for Jan. 2nd. If you want this job then call first thing tomorrow. 9 AM eastern. should be 8 AM Central.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 17, 2017 - 8:25 pm)

I’ve already got a long term doc review gig and a law clerk offer I’ve accepted (Still contingent on client approval and background check)

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kramer716 (Dec 17, 2017 - 8:59 pm)

Good for you. As I said if you have any other job prospects I wouldn't touch this job. Forgive the ignorance, is the law clerk thing a temporary deal or is it permanent? If it's permanent grab hold and hang on for dear life. You seem to like doc review, so I can see you taking the long-term doc review out of habit. Anyway, wish you nothing but the best and hope you land on your feet.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 17, 2017 - 9:10 pm)

I doubt it is permanent, as the contract doesn't last forever, it might get renewed. They asked me to commit to at least a year, so I'm hoping it is long term and I can handle it, but it doesn't solve my problem as it's doc review and I'm not getting marketable experience from it.

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trophy2017 (Dec 21, 2017 - 9:40 am)

Hi Kramer716. How is everything going?

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kramer716 (Dec 21, 2017 - 6:30 pm)

It is going as well as to be expected. Not insane yet, but even with a best-case scenario, I will be out of work at the end of May. I am still trying to get a permanent fed job or another island one, so we shall see what happens.

How about yourself? Hope all is well

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trophy2017 (Dec 22, 2017 - 8:23 am)

Well good luck to you. I have a full time job but still looking for permanent fed work as well.

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kramer716 (Dec 22, 2017 - 6:35 pm)

Good luck to you as well. HOpefully we can catch on with the SSA, or any federal job for that matter.

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bittersweet (Dec 28, 2017 - 5:24 pm)

Good luck. Please keep us updated about every month or so. for those of us doing doc review, we want to know if this is a better escape hatch than going back to waiting tables.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 28, 2017 - 5:25 pm)

He’s probably under 4 feet of snow

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kramer716 (Dec 28, 2017 - 8:12 pm)

Don't be an idiot. It's 3.5 feet. Kidding kidding. It is freaking cold here. Was 15 when I left and that was feeling downright tropical. Speaking of tropical I am trying to get back that way ASAP.

As for the temp SBA job, so far I cannot complain. I respect the two heads because they are honest about things. They aren't trying to sell the line of if you work hard, we will keep you on. They are telling everyone to keep looking and if you find anything permanent, take it. Odds are I am out Memorial Day weekend if I stay the full length of the deal. I was worried about getting run out of the position, but they hired this very nice old guy who takes a couple of naps a day, and doesn't seem to know how to use Outlook. I don't know how productive I am compared to everyone else, but I think I got him beat.

They will hire three classes of attorneys. I was hired in the second class. The next class starts Jan. 2nd. I don't know if Ft. Worth or Sacramento are hiring. If I were to pursue this job I would do everything in my power to be a national hire versus a local. If you are a national hire you do get free lodging and a rental car. If you are a local, you may have one long-ass commute, potentially. We had another older attorney bail after a week because his commute just sucked.

It is probably better than doc review. You get the federal job on your resume. I have heard it makes it easier to find another fed job, but haven't seen that yet. They say that these jobs pop up whenever there is a disaster, so if you don't get picked up this go round then look after the next hurricane hits.

Oh, the training does suck. You sit there for three days and learn very little if anything. So if you do end up with the position down the line, don't freak that you don't know anything. No one does, and by the time you do, the job will probably be over.

Bottom line if you need a job, I would take it.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 18, 2017 - 7:13 am)

I hate doc review I just can’t get anything else. Hopefully I’ll be able to take online courses during that job if I actually get approved for it so I can start some kind of career change

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kramer716 (Jan 16, 2018 - 7:16 pm)

Just an update. Looks like the hiring is done. When there is another decent hurricane start looking for these positions a few weeks after the hurricane goes away. It's a good job to take to subsidize your job search.

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