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1950 hour billable requirement or 2150 (but more interesting cases)

Which would you choose? prestiiigiousone10/05/17
Depends on how hard the work is to do. I’ve never had to b ambulancechaser201310/05/17
They one that paid more. If they pay the same, the one whic jeffm10/05/17
I agree with Jeffm, but just remember, in most cases, even " thirdtierlaw10/05/17
Also matters how easy the billing is. I have a friend who do garfieldfan10/05/17
Unless the actual subject matter is different, and you're mo nobodyyouknow10/06/17
Titcr themapmaster10/06/17
I don't know about this. The difference between 2150 and 19 blg1510/07/17
Dont worry about billable requirements; and, instead talk to bobloblaw774910/11/17
Mega-credited. tdkerabatsos10/11/17
To my mind, the important question is which position offers anothernjlawyer10/11/17
Twenty-five 8 hour work days. That's how much more you're mrtor10/11/17
Agree. 2150, assuming you work 49 weeks a year,translates t flharfh10/11/17
prestiiigiousone (Oct 5, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

Which would you choose?

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ambulancechaser2013 (Oct 5, 2017 - 7:26 pm)

Depends on how hard the work is to do. I’ve never had to bill, but I have gone from working 40 hour weeks to 55-60 hour weeks. If you really like what you are doing you can dig deep and work more. Still, let’s say I loved commercial litigation and was at a midlaw firm, at some point I’d burn out working 65-70 hours a week doing from scratch or nearly from scratch law and motion.

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jeffm (Oct 5, 2017 - 7:37 pm)

They one that paid more. If they pay the same, the one which would train me in the most useful subjects for future career moves. Sometimes, I'd even take a bit less pay to get the latter.

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 5, 2017 - 8:47 pm)

I agree with Jeffm, but just remember, in most cases, even "interesting" legal jobs become a mostly rote after awhile.

Also need to consider whether you have a family at home. An extra 200hrs of billiables can be a lot if the work isn't steady. Actually it can be a lot even if it is steady when you have young kids and somewhat of a commute home.

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garfieldfan (Oct 5, 2017 - 7:56 pm)

Also matters how easy the billing is. I have a friend who does not work overly hard but bills close to 2000 every year because his litigation practice winds up having a ton of semi-passive billing due to travel. Plus it's pretty consistent month to month. OTOH, my wife is a transactional attorney and that stuff comes and goes, but she can have a 100 hour month followed by a 250 hour one. But your job is to deal with it so you do. But not everyone is cut out for that, and it's impossible to work like that for long if it's an area you don't love.

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nobodyyouknow (Oct 6, 2017 - 11:09 am)

Unless the actual subject matter is different, and you're more interested in one than the other, take the job where they let you talk to an associate in the interview, and the associate says (and you believe them) that (1) They don't run out of work, and (2) It's not a problem to make their hours.

The difference between 2150 and 1950 is something like four hours a week. So, if the volume is there - and you can actually bill for everything you do -- the difference is not going to impact your quality of life. If you are scrounging for .1's at the end of the month, or you find yourself in a situation where you're spending a lot of time working but not billing - it really, really is.

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themapmaster (Oct 6, 2017 - 11:18 pm)

Titcr

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blg15 (Oct 7, 2017 - 9:27 am)

I don't know about this. The difference between 2150 and 1950, in my mind, is actually quite significant. 4 hours doesn't sound like much, except for when it actually means 4 on top of the 40 you are already billing in a week and its Friday afternoon and you are so unproductive and burned out that it means doing 4 hours on a Sunday which just ends up reenforcing your burn out.

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bobloblaw7749 (Oct 11, 2017 - 11:09 am)

Dont worry about billable requirements; and, instead talk to other associates about actual workload. This becomes an easy choice is associates at both firms consistently bill 2300 hours.

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tdkerabatsos (Oct 11, 2017 - 11:55 am)

Mega-credited.

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anothernjlawyer (Oct 11, 2017 - 11:42 am)

To my mind, the important question is which position offers you a better career trajectory?

There are a million lawyers who can handle run of the mill insurance defense cases. Spend 1950 hours a year doing that, and it may be all you ever get to do.

On the other hand, if the job with 2150 hours allows you to develop a more valuable / portable skillset, suck it up and work the longer hours.

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mrtor (Oct 11, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

Twenty-five 8 hour work days.

That's how much more you're going to have to work with the higher billing requirement. It better be higher pay, easier billing, and more enticing practice areas for that to make sense.

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flharfh (Oct 11, 2017 - 4:01 pm)

Agree. 2150, assuming you work 49 weeks a year,translates to something like 10 hour days in the office M-F and a half day each weekend, assuming you can bill for almost all of the work you perform.

If you are a workaholic with partner aspirations it's fine, but good luck spending meaningful time with your family or on hobbies. All a matter of priorities.

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