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When will lawsuits be filed against MGM/Mandalay Bay?

Why should victims face an uphill battle as discussed in the trijocker10/09/17
So guests need to be checked on ? I’ve never been to a hot notreallyalawyer10/09/17
Also not sure how the fact that Paddock was comped the room specv31310/09/17
If someone is comped by the hotel, wouldn't that signify s/h blackholelaw10/09/17
DRinks and chips not security. notreallyalawyer10/09/17
In theory, maybe. In pratice, no. Plus the type of your a specv31310/09/17
Probably comes down to whether they should have known he was therewillbeblood10/09/17
trijocker’s post about Steve Wynn could raise “reasonabl propita10/09/17
Would any of you stay at a hotel where staff insists on seei notreallyalawyer10/09/17
Bed and Breakfasts peep on what you are doing, and even comm trijocker10/09/17
How many days was he in this hotel without them cleaning it? fettywap10/09/17
My husband hates maid service; doesn’t want someone else i propita10/09/17
Regardless of whether MGM Resorts has any real culpability h caj11110/09/17
Well I don't know if their pockets are big enough to pay for fettywap10/09/17
Depends on how much they offer in settlement. A $1 million caj11110/09/17
But there were also 500 injured, some with catastrophic inju fettywap10/09/17
It's owned by MGM Resorts, a corporation with revenues in th caj11110/09/17
Of course Mandaly Bay will be sued. They have the deep pocke bostonlawyer.210/09/17
I don't think it will ever get that far. It's all about set caj11110/09/17
Exactly. You don’t need to win trial for a payout. Just ne samfriedlander210/09/17
Probably be better it some sort of compensation / trust syst specv31310/09/17

trijocker (Oct 9, 2017 - 8:37 am)

Why should victims face an uphill battle as discussed in the Las Vegas Review article? There is a difference between Colombine and Mandalay Bay. Paddock was lodged gratis by Mandalay Bay in the suite. Then no one bothered to check on what he was doing for 72 hours, nor were there any metal detection devices in place, and that sort of negligence would not occur at a Wynn property.

"Las Vegas hotel and gambling magnate Steve Wynn, who owns casinos that Paddock gambled in but not the Mandalay Bay, said Sunday that his hotels have undertaken special security measures in recent years to identify potentially dangerous guests. Those measures include using magnetometers to detect significant amounts of metal, and training housekeeping staff to report suspicious actions like a do-not-disturb sign remaining on a door for extended periods.If a room goes on 'do not disturb' for more than 12 hours, we investigate," Wynn, whose hotels include Wynn Las Vegas and Encore told "Fox News Sunday" in an interview. We don't allow guns in this building unless they're being carried by our employees, and there's a lot of them. But if anybody's got a gun and we find them continually, we eject them from the hotel."

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/las-vegas-shooting-victims-face-uphill-battle-in-legal-cases/

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 9, 2017 - 8:50 am)

So guests need to be checked on ? I’ve never been to a hotel that has a metal detector . This wasn’t foreseeable

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specv313 (Oct 9, 2017 - 9:25 am)

Also not sure how the fact that Paddock was comped the room plays into the negligence equation. Thousands of people are comped rooms in Vegas on a weekly basis.

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blackholelaw (Oct 9, 2017 - 11:42 am)

If someone is comped by the hotel, wouldn't that signify s/he was a special guest of the hotel deserving of more attention than the average person?

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 9, 2017 - 11:58 am)

DRinks and chips not security.

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specv313 (Oct 9, 2017 - 12:54 pm)

In theory, maybe. In pratice, no.

Plus the type of your attention you're referring to isn't one that's related to suspicious activity. You're saying the hotel's failure to check on the guy to see if he wanted more towels somehow makes it more foreseeable (in the legal sense) that he'd blow people away.

I'm all for compensation for these victims and their families, but I don't buy that argument. For tort law as a whole it would have bad consequences if it were enough to hinge liability on that.

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therewillbeblood (Oct 9, 2017 - 9:33 am)

Probably comes down to whether they should have known he was crating boxes of guns up to the room. I would also note that I would think more than any other type of hotel, casino hotels would be keeping an eye on their guests.

Anyway, I'm sure their insurance would max out pretty quickly with so many victims.

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propita (Oct 9, 2017 - 3:55 pm)

trijocker’s post about Steve Wynn could raise “reasonable casino owner” standard...maybe.

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 9, 2017 - 11:59 am)

Would any of you stay at a hotel where staff insists on seeing what you are doing? Perhaps even noticing whose you are with as what you are bringing into your room? Then ask would it be okay for a landlord to fo that too?

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trijocker (Oct 9, 2017 - 12:08 pm)

Bed and Breakfasts peep on what you are doing, and even comment out loud.
A couple places we stayed at commented oh let me check your file, wait you did not wash your dishes last time you stayed with us. Don't want to end up on our No stay list do you?

Another place scared people in the breakfast area, when the breakfast lady yelled at people, Don't take any more eggs unless you are going to eat them all down.

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fettywap (Oct 9, 2017 - 12:06 pm)

How many days was he in this hotel without them cleaning it? That's pretty nasty. Maid service should be required every day. People are gross when they stay in hotels. How did he get enough towels and stuff?

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propita (Oct 9, 2017 - 3:57 pm)

My husband hates maid service; doesn’t want someone else in the room. We hang up our towels, toss trash, etc. Usually, even after 4 days, the worst thing is that the bed linens aren’t all tucked in and the towels are used.

(If I like the soap/shampoo, he asks the maid for extras for me. They’re really good about it.)

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caj111 (Oct 9, 2017 - 12:10 pm)

Regardless of whether MGM Resorts has any real culpability here, there will be lawsuits, from little two-bit solos in the grungy neighborhoods far away from the strip, to the somewhat larger and well-funded ambulance chasing firms in the downtown Las Vegas office district, and from other cities where the victims came from as well. The company has insurance as well as deep pockets, even through the casino industry hasn't done so well in recent years, and they will settle the claims as quickly as possible. Whatever they pay out in claims would otherwise be in the pockets of their BigLaw representatives the first week or two. Both MGM and the plaintiffs' lawyers know this, however right or wrong. I don't believe there is any real culpability here by the hotel but the fact is, people are dead, widows and orphans are a defense attorney's nightmare and the last thing they want is to have any of them in front of a jury. So our legal system goes.

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fettywap (Oct 9, 2017 - 12:31 pm)

Well I don't know if their pockets are big enough to pay for 48 deaths and 500 injuries.

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caj111 (Oct 9, 2017 - 2:05 pm)

Depends on how much they offer in settlement. A $1 million settlement for each death, which a huge chunk of the victims' families are certain to accept, is sustainable for the company. Whether they are truly liable and what they will pay to avoid litigation are of course two different stories.

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fettywap (Oct 9, 2017 - 2:22 pm)

But there were also 500 injured, some with catastrophic injuries. $1 million may not pay all their future medical bills. Adequate compensation could get over $100 million. I wouldn't expect the hotel to just pay that.

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caj111 (Oct 9, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

It's owned by MGM Resorts, a corporation with revenues in the 9.5 - 10 billion dollar range and profits last year in the billion dollar range. Again, I'm not saying they really have a dime of responsibility here, but $ 100 million is some they could come up with, even if they have to borrow some of it. I highly doubt they are going to be involved in any courtroom battles.

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bostonlawyer.2 (Oct 9, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

Of course Mandaly Bay will be sued. They have the deep pockets. But good luck getting money out of a Nevada jury pool.

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caj111 (Oct 9, 2017 - 2:03 pm)

I don't think it will ever get that far. It's all about settling out.

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samfriedlander2 (Oct 9, 2017 - 11:02 pm)

Exactly. You don’t need to win trial for a payout. Just need to survive the SJM.

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specv313 (Oct 9, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

Probably be better it some sort of compensation / trust system were set up, like with the Boston Marathon bombing victims.

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