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Referred for the first time for a federal job (Immigration Services Officer)

This is a GS-9 position working in a service center; I know wolfman10/16/17
I’ve been referred for many jobs that veterans get but nev notreallyalawyer10/16/17
Everyone wants to work for the feds, so they can hire whoeve newyorkcity10/16/17
Speaking as an JD with two bar admissions who has a federal booyeah10/16/17
I am attorney with the Feds and this is BS. There is someone downwardslope10/16/17
Thanks to both of you, this is encouraging. wolfman10/16/17
Though I'm late to the party, I applied and after an intervi thirdtierlaw10/16/17
Thanks. wolfman10/16/17
This statement is patently wrong. I work for the agency bein abazungu10/16/17
Ha! Thanks. I was waiting for you to chime in. Do you know h wolfman10/17/17
Lol so many federal agencies hire attorneys in non lawyer jo gs1302/12/18
Congratulations. Wish I could offer you some advice as to ho kramer71610/16/17
Thanks all. Yeah, I realize the chances of getting actua wolfman10/16/17
Do AmeriCorps/Peace Corps alums get a leg up in federal hiri dharamsala10/17/17
You can use AmeriCorps experience, but I don't think it give wolfman12/11/17
Got an interview (telephone)! Does anyone have a clue as to wolfman12/11/17
Glassdoor is usually helpful with these types of interviews. downwardslope12/11/17
Good Luck! I'm sure it'll go well. I'd just Google f isthisit12/11/17
Interview went OK, I thought, although one can never tell. T wolfman12/12/17
There is a whole thread on federal soup with timelines and w downwardslope12/12/17
Thanks, yeah, I'm reading that, brrrr, hope I won't need sec wolfman12/12/17
What happens is you’ll get a phone call if you are tentati abazungu12/12/17
Thanks, I really appreciate this. wolfman12/12/17
If you happen to see this and don't mind answering: do you k wolfman12/12/17
Congratulations. I hope you get the position. kramer71612/12/17
Thanks. It's not kicking down doors with ICE (too old haha), wolfman12/12/17
Could you deport me to a nice tropical destination? kramer71612/12/17
With bells on! wolfman12/12/17
Lol ignore the guy who said you can’t get hired. The feds gs1312/12/17
Update: received a tentative offer today, GS-9, Step 1, via wolfman02/12/18
Yea a lot of the posters on this board are either jealous or gs1302/12/18
Congrats dude! Enjoy Lincoln, Nebraska. isthisit02/12/18
Thanks, will neither confirm nor deny location haha wolfman02/13/18
Assuming I do not get dinged during background check, this w wolfman02/12/18
From what I heard, the Vermont Service Center allows to work trackpackage02/12/18
Thanks, good point; I also heard that; don't know if I could wolfman02/12/18
Bump. Anyone with info about USCIS/ISO job? wolfman02/12/18
What’s your email address? abazungu02/12/18
[email protected] (note the double n at the end) tha wolfman02/12/18

wolfman (Oct 16, 2017 - 11:54 am)

This is a GS-9 position working in a service center; I know that is the pits as far as USCIS ISO jobs are concerned, but you gotta start somewhere. I most likley won't get it, but this is the FIRST time I have been "referred to selecting official" for any federal job AT ALL of the dozens I've applied to on USA jobs.

I know there at least one poster on here (abazangu?) who's an IO or an ISO, so I would appreciate any info on the job, etc. Like I said, this a service center, not a field office, and they are hiring a bunch of people supposedly, so I feel like I have a shot... knock on wood. Ultimately, I would love to be an Immigration Officer at the FDNS (Fraud Detection and National Security) part of USCIS.

Even if I don't get it, seems positive in that the black hole that is USAJobs for a non-veteran can theoretically at least show some signs of life...

EDIT: not sure if this belongs here or in OT, but I figured this certainly qualifies as a path out of being a lifelong doc reviewer/paralegal/low-level legal monkey...

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 16, 2017 - 12:28 pm)

I’ve been referred for many jobs that veterans get but never got an interview. Good luck though

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newyorkcity (Oct 16, 2017 - 12:50 pm)

Everyone wants to work for the feds, so they can hire whoever they want. (Unlike, the state or local government) What a federal supervisor won't want is a J.D. who is not working as an attorney. A J.D. will never get a federal job below an attorney level, unless the applicant lies (which could expose them to a false statement prosecution).

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booyeah (Oct 16, 2017 - 12:54 pm)

Speaking as an JD with two bar admissions who has a federal non-attorney job (and works with others with the same qualifications) and who definitely didn’t lie about anything on the application ... well, nothing at all about your statement is true.

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downwardslope (Oct 16, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

I am attorney with the Feds and this is BS. There is someone in my office who is a legal assistant who is a licensed attorney. I have many other coworkers who are licensed attorneys who worked in a variety of non-attorney positions. Ignore this poster.

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wolfman (Oct 16, 2017 - 4:53 pm)

Thanks to both of you, this is encouraging.

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thirdtierlaw (Oct 16, 2017 - 4:59 pm)

Though I'm late to the party, I applied and after an interview, I received an offer for a contract specialist position. I'm a litigator. So I have no idea what newyorkcity is talking about.

Best of luck!

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wolfman (Oct 16, 2017 - 5:00 pm)

Thanks.

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abazungu (Oct 16, 2017 - 8:09 pm)

This statement is patently wrong. I work for the agency being discussed in this thread. I can think of at least a dozen people I know who have JDs, some of whom were practicing attorneys, some who were not, who have or had the exact job metioned in the OP.

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wolfman (Oct 17, 2017 - 9:53 am)

Ha! Thanks. I was waiting for you to chime in. Do you know how hard it is to transfer from a service center to a field office after a year or so, especially if one is interested in doing FDNS/investigative stuff? If I got this (I know chances are low), I'd actually be less interested in trying to somehow backdoor into an attorney position (I know, shocking:-) than in doing interesting work in the national interest, corny as that may sound...

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gs13 (Feb 12, 2018 - 9:38 pm)

Lol so many federal agencies hire attorneys in non lawyer jobs. Please don’t listen to some of these posters!

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kramer716 (Oct 16, 2017 - 12:56 pm)

Congratulations. Wish I could offer you some advice as to how to succeed, but I have been banging my head against the wall for a couple of years trying to get a federal job. I have been referred a few times, and interviewed for I think three federal jobs. The only thing I would suggest is try to find the job you are interviewing for or the company on Glassdoor. They do seem to have a decent collection of past questions, so you can prep accordingly. I hope you get the interview. WHere is the job located?

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wolfman (Oct 16, 2017 - 4:51 pm)

Thanks all.

Yeah, I realize the chances of getting actually picked up for any fed job are slim, but it's better than nothing.

This is for their service center in the Northeast, which I think has a better reputation/environment than the ones in CA and TX.

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dharamsala (Oct 17, 2017 - 4:13 pm)

Do AmeriCorps/Peace Corps alums get a leg up in federal hiring.

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wolfman (Dec 11, 2017 - 10:21 am)

You can use AmeriCorps experience, but I don't think it gives you non-competitive eligibility. I believe Peace Corps does, at leats fro some jobs?

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wolfman (Dec 11, 2017 - 10:21 am)

Got an interview (telephone)! Does anyone have a clue as to what kind of stuff may be asked in a telephone interview for a position like this? Also, what are your chances of being hired if you got an interview? Thanks in advance.

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downwardslope (Dec 11, 2017 - 10:58 am)

Glassdoor is usually helpful with these types of interviews.

Good luck!

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isthisit (Dec 11, 2017 - 10:38 am)

Good Luck!

I'm sure it'll go well.

I'd just Google federal interview questions. I also imagine they would ask about the substantive area, mostly forms.

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wolfman (Dec 12, 2017 - 12:42 pm)

Interview went OK, I thought, although one can never tell. Thanks for the help, y'all.

Standard questions, along with an additional question asking to explain a legal standard I work with in my current job. Fingers crossed. Supposedly they'll decide in six weeks.

Anyone know how the process works for federal non-atty jobs if you get selected (jumping the gun here, as that is the biggest IF, of course)? You get a tentative offer and then wait (how long?) for clearance? Do you have to accept before you know if you'll be cleared? What about leaving your current job (I know Google is my friend but I'd like to hear from folks who've been through the process themselves, ideally).

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downwardslope (Dec 12, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

There is a whole thread on federal soup with timelines and whole areas about clearance where you can get an idea of how long things are taking now.

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wolfman (Dec 12, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

Thanks, yeah, I'm reading that, brrrr, hope I won't need secret (assuming I get picked up at all, which is a big if), just public trust... which technically isn't a clearance at all, just a background check... I have no crime or drug or child support issues, but finances/debt/default can be problematic.

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abazungu (Dec 12, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

What happens is you’ll get a phone call if you are tentatively hired. If you accept the tentative hire, they begin the background investigation process. You can start the job without having the background investigation fully completed, although not having a completed investigation does make parts of the job more difficult.

Once the preliminary background investigation clears, you are given an EOD date and begin work. The first few weeks are spent doing required trainings, getting access to computer systems, maybe learning some basic job duties. You’ll be given a date to go to training, which is in South Carolina I believe and lasts six weeks. The training wasn’t great when I went through it, but I did work out a lot and drank a lot. Once training is done you go back to your office and settle into your role whatever that will be.

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wolfman (Dec 12, 2017 - 2:55 pm)

Thanks, I really appreciate this.

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wolfman (Dec 12, 2017 - 5:45 pm)

If you happen to see this and don't mind answering: do you know anyone who's transferred from working as an ISO in a service center to bigger and better things after a year or so? I'm not talking about getting a fed atty job, just working for the same agency or a sister one in a role that doesn't involve production requirements in a cube farm in the middle of nowhere? I mean, I think I'd do well in it, or at least well enough to avoid getting canned, but I'm also pretty sure I'd hate it after the first few months or so...

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kramer716 (Dec 12, 2017 - 5:47 pm)

Congratulations. I hope you get the position.

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wolfman (Dec 12, 2017 - 5:50 pm)

Thanks. It's not kicking down doors with ICE (too old haha), but it's a way in.

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kramer716 (Dec 12, 2017 - 8:38 pm)

Could you deport me to a nice tropical destination?

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wolfman (Dec 12, 2017 - 11:27 pm)

With bells on!

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gs13 (Dec 12, 2017 - 11:37 pm)

Lol ignore the guy who said you can’t get hired. The feds literally has a glut of JD licenses attorneys working in every agency as non attorneys.

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wolfman (Feb 12, 2018 - 10:02 am)

Update: received a tentative offer today, GS-9, Step 1, via e-mail. No offense, but folks who said i could never get an offer... were mistaken, to put it mildly. Very much mistaken. LOL. Hope this gives some hope to others.

Will probably conditionally accept, but not 100% sure (the service center is in the middle of nowhere in another state, where I would have to move, at least temporarily, and I would actually make less money to start than I currently do... but an entry into fed employment seems too good to pass up). My background check may present some issues, but not others: I have lots of financial problems, but no crime or security concerns (I don't even smoke pot or associate with dodgy foreigners, except on here haha). So it is possible I could still get dinged for financial reasons during background check... but that is out of my control.

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gs13 (Feb 12, 2018 - 9:39 pm)

Yea a lot of the posters on this board are either jealous or lying. Many agencies hire lawyers into quasi legal non attorney jobs

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isthisit (Feb 12, 2018 - 9:48 pm)

Congrats dude! Enjoy Lincoln, Nebraska.

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wolfman (Feb 13, 2018 - 2:49 pm)

Thanks, will neither confirm nor deny location haha

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wolfman (Feb 12, 2018 - 10:59 am)

Assuming I do not get dinged during background check, this will be a hard choice: my gf has a rent-controlled apartment which is basically her only asset, and she/we are not willing to give that up... and I am not a c.u.c.k. but I'd actually like to remain in my current relationship, which I am quite happy with, so will have to do long distance for at least a year... which will be hard, financially and otherwise. I also don't want to live where the service center is long-term, under pretty much any circumstances, single, coupled-up or whatnot.

It goes without saying I applied for every DHS/USCIS/ICE job I was even remotely qualified for closer to where I live, and heard crickets. This is not my only referral, but so far it has been my only interview.

Would welcome any input from current USCIS employees, or others. How easy it is to get another job in a field office, preferably in NY/NJ/CT after a year?

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trackpackage (Feb 12, 2018 - 11:53 am)

From what I heard, the Vermont Service Center allows to work from home, 4 days per week, after one year of employment. It seems other service centers also allow that to reduce costs for renting office space.

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wolfman (Feb 12, 2018 - 12:24 pm)

Thanks, good point; I also heard that; don't know if I could swing working remotely from NY though, but I would certainly try if I weren't able to transfer out after a year (I know there is no transfer per say, you have to apply for a different job, but that's what I mean).

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wolfman (Feb 12, 2018 - 5:36 pm)

Bump. Anyone with info about USCIS/ISO job?

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abazungu (Feb 12, 2018 - 9:22 pm)

What’s your email address?

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wolfman (Feb 12, 2018 - 9:48 pm)

[email protected] (note the double n at the end)

thanks in advance

any thoughts are much appreciated

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