Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Haha passed the bar like nine years after LS

Posted about it in another thread, but I figured it deserves wolfman10/24/17
grats dude anonlaw12310/24/17
thanks wolfman10/24/17
Congrats on passing. isthisit10/24/17
thanks wolfman10/24/17
That's great dawg!!! Prolly had an easier curve since you we triplesix10/24/17
thanks... yep, I knew there was a hidden silver lining in ba wolfman10/24/17
Congrats. I knew of some guy who worked in an EECR office at notreallyalawyer10/24/17
Thanks... at least now that won't be me... I may still be th wolfman10/24/17
hey congrats anywhere. I'm a member of two bars, and, well y notreallyalawyer10/24/17
Is your MPRE score good for life or does it lapse over X num dharamsala10/24/17
MPRE scores expire after 2 or 3 years, I believe. I know wolfman10/24/17
Wow! That's a great story! Congratulations! jeffm10/24/17
Congrats, dr! You may now pass GO, and collect your milli 3lol10/24/17
Congratulations! jackofspeed10/24/17
Thanks, all. wolfman10/25/17
Do you plan to waive into another UBE state once you're swor dharamsala10/24/17
Probably not, I'll likely have a hard enough time getting ad wolfman10/25/17
Congrats! Really happy for you. ambulancechaser201310/25/17
Thanks, dude. wolfman10/25/17
Congratulations are in order. You beat me. I didn't sit for cacrimdefense10/26/17
What made you wait 5 years? dharamsala10/26/17
I hated law school, like a disease. Almost everything about cacrimdefense10/26/17
What did you do with your life for that five year period? dharamsala10/28/17
After graduation, I went back home and enjoyed an extended s cacrimdefense10/28/17
Thanks, haha. wolfman10/26/17
So will you try to get barred Wolfman? C&F aside, there' unclebubba10/26/17
You're right, there are lots of hoops now... I think I'll st wolfman10/26/17
the public trust thing involves background check including f notreallyalawyer10/26/17
In those cases where the C&F committee denied admission base newyorkcity10/28/17
"the last thing I need is to have a record of being denied a newyorkcity10/26/17
Congratulations Wolf - This is really great news. Hope you h uknownvalue10/26/17
Congratulations as well. As for any character and fitness cr kramer71610/26/17
Pozdravlayu Wolfie. moistio210/28/17
Why pay the few to take it if not to be licensed? You can ap esquire13810/30/17
If the poor guy gets his application denied based on C&F iss newyorkcity10/30/17
If that is the concern, then I ask again, why take the bar e esquire13810/30/17

wolfman (Oct 24, 2017 - 12:28 pm)

Posted about it in another thread, but I figured it deserves its own.

Never got a job after LS, never practiced, currently work as a gubmint paralegal after years of doc review (which is no picnic especially when you're unlicensed) , took the UBE (for the first time) last summer while working.

Took no time off, except for two days for the actual bar, and studied whenever I could (MBE questions w/explanations form a old Kaplan PMBR Red Book); probably 20-30 hours/week, sometimes more, sometimes less).

I am taking my old bar books (bought second-hand and basically unused, except for Kaplan PMBR Red Book of Questions, which I may keep or sell) down to the garbage disposal later today :-)

I did try to study every day, even a few questions, which was helpful. Based on my experience only (and I am a somewhat unusual person), you need to do MBE practice questions and read explanations, and do well on the MPT.

I made up most of the common law rules on the MEE, and used state law (which I kind of know, from listening to a pirated audio course for LLM grads someone gave me on a foreign language doc review project... also from actually working in "law") for the rest, just adding "under common law."

If I remember correctly, some of my MEE answers were truly grotesque, but I did put something down on every essay question. MBE and MPT is where it is at, or at least it was for me.

Cheers!

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anonlaw123 (Oct 24, 2017 - 12:29 pm)

grats dude

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wolfman (Oct 24, 2017 - 12:30 pm)

thanks

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isthisit (Oct 24, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

Congrats on passing.

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wolfman (Oct 24, 2017 - 4:33 pm)

thanks

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triplesix (Oct 24, 2017 - 12:56 pm)

That's great dawg!!! Prolly had an easier curve since you were competing with retards and idiots currently coming out of lawl schools. Kinda not fair! But pass is a pass.

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wolfman (Oct 24, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

thanks... yep, I knew there was a hidden silver lining in basically throwing eight years of one's life down the drain LOL :-) still happy to have passed tho

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 24, 2017 - 1:03 pm)

Congrats. I knew of some guy who worked in an EECR office at a federal department in an attorney job, but he never passed the bar. THey just looked the other way and he had the job for years despite not being a lawyer.

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wolfman (Oct 24, 2017 - 4:36 pm)

Thanks... at least now that won't be me... I may still be the guy who was never actually admitted to the bar per C&F/debts, but not the guy who never passed the bar exam LOL... which is a good thing, I think :-)

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 24, 2017 - 4:47 pm)

hey congrats anywhere. I'm a member of two bars, and, well you all know my story.. so it doesn't really matter that much to be admitted.

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dharamsala (Oct 24, 2017 - 1:20 pm)

Is your MPRE score good for life or does it lapse over X number of years?

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wolfman (Oct 24, 2017 - 4:33 pm)

MPRE scores expire after 2 or 3 years, I believe.

I know mine is long expired (I took it in LS) so I will need to take it again.

UBE scores are good for three years in most states that accept UBE, two in some others.

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jeffm (Oct 24, 2017 - 5:17 pm)

Wow! That's a great story! Congratulations!

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3lol (Oct 24, 2017 - 5:25 pm)

Congrats, dr!

You may now pass GO, and collect your million dollar earning premium.

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jackofspeed (Oct 24, 2017 - 5:44 pm)

Congratulations!

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wolfman (Oct 25, 2017 - 4:53 pm)

Thanks, all.

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dharamsala (Oct 24, 2017 - 6:33 pm)

Do you plan to waive into another UBE state once you're sworn in?

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wolfman (Oct 25, 2017 - 4:53 pm)

Probably not, I'll likely have a hard enough time getting admitted/sworn in as it is... if another UBE state has easier C&F requirements regarding delinquent finances/unpaid loans (I am entirely clean otherwise) I might try to transfer my score and try to get admitted there instead, but I don't think it's likely the states differ all that much... in any case, we shall see what we shall see.

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ambulancechaser2013 (Oct 25, 2017 - 8:46 pm)

Congrats! Really happy for you.

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wolfman (Oct 25, 2017 - 9:59 pm)

Thanks, dude.

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cacrimdefense (Oct 26, 2017 - 2:50 am)

Congratulations are in order. You beat me. I didn't sit for the bar until I had been out of LS for 5 years.

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dharamsala (Oct 26, 2017 - 9:50 am)

What made you wait 5 years?

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cacrimdefense (Oct 26, 2017 - 10:34 pm)

I hated law school, like a disease. Almost everything about it. Spending a couple months preparing for another law school-like exam (only a lot bigger) was something I wanted no part of when I graduated. My chief motivation, at that point in my life, was just to get away from the whole experience.

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dharamsala (Oct 28, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

What did you do with your life for that five year period?

How did you bounce back into the law after such a long hiatus?

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cacrimdefense (Oct 28, 2017 - 6:48 pm)

After graduation, I went back home and enjoyed an extended summer vacation. I spent about 4 1/2 months living w/ the fam, working a mindless job (sorting through materials and documents for a business that was closing after 25 years), and hanging out w/ my friends from h.s. In the fall, I headed back to the city where I attended law school, and stayed w/ my GF from law school while I looked for a job as a law clerk. After a couple months, I landed a position w/ a sh-- law firm that employed me for a little over a year. After that, I headed back to L.A. and got another law clerk job w/ a sh-- firm in the San Fernando Valley. I stayed with that outfit for almost two years until the owner decided to lay some people off ... and simply not pay some others.

From there, I obtained a non-legal job in a mail order house that dealt in specialty sporting goods. As everyone there was so brain dead, they thought I was brilliant, particularly when I cleaned up their chronic customer service returns problems for them in fewer than 10 days. For a while, I was just happy to have the job b/c I hated it so much less than being around the nut job solo lawyers I had worked for at my last two positions. After a while, however, I began to think about taking the CBE b/c I had six hours of (paid) spare time (at work) each day. I could do pretty much whatever I wanted, so long as I mostly stayed out of sight. It only took me two hours of each 8 hour shift to run the customer service department far more efficiently than anyone this mail order house had employed previously. Obviously, I could use this time to study for the bar.

I didn't pass the CBE until my second attempt, but when I did, I left the mail order house and began teaching law classes at local business and junior colleges.

Now, if you think the flaking around for 5 years before taking the BE was bad, please understand that I didn't invest the time to fill out the application to be checked out for fitness and moral character for another 3 years AFTER I had passed the CBE. I finally did it b/c I had lots of students bringing me matters (slips and falls, car accidents, traffic tickets) that I could handle but kept turning away b/c I wasn't licensed. When I did the math, I realized I was losing thousands of dollars, so I sent in the proper documents and received my license 9 years after I had earned a JD.

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wolfman (Oct 26, 2017 - 2:22 pm)

Thanks, haha.

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unclebubba (Oct 26, 2017 - 10:05 am)

So will you try to get barred Wolfman?

C&F aside, there's "bridge the gap" CLE's and mandatory pro bono and all sorts of hoops to go through in NYC if I recall correctly.

I for one would like to see you barred, but the money and time required may prove too much.

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wolfman (Oct 26, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

You're right, there are lots of hoops now... I think I'll still do what I can to get barred, having come this far. The state law class and state law exam shouldn't be too hard, and I took MPRE in LS and did OK, so taking it again isn't something I'm afraid of; the 50-hours pro-bono is a pain but manageble...

If I get dinged for debt-related C&F reasons, at least it'll give some clarity to my options (although if it came to that and seemed hopeless, I would probably pull my application - the last thing I need is to have a record of being denied a professional certification for reasons of character - as I understand it, it screwes with your chances of ever getting a licence in another occupation as well).

I know every Brooklyn hipster says everything is ironic, but it really is pretty ironic that if I were to get admitted now, I might actually have a shot at a government attorney position, doing a somewhat specialized mix of criminal stuff and related civil litigation... whether I'd get admitted and whether I actually want to spend my life doing that are all open questions at this point :-)

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notreallyalawyer (Oct 26, 2017 - 6:04 pm)

the public trust thing involves background check including finances. Though maybe if you just admit to it they are fine with it. I'm not sure.

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newyorkcity (Oct 28, 2017 - 1:00 pm)

In those cases where the C&F committee denied admission based on debt, the committee never found that the applicants were dishonest, and dishonesty didn't play any role in the decisions of the committee. Nevertheless, keep us informed on your application.

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newyorkcity (Oct 26, 2017 - 5:42 pm)

"the last thing I need is to have a record of being denied a professional certification"
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"Law grad refused bar admission for debt"
http://www.nationaljurist.com/content/breaking-news/law-grad-refused-bar-admission-debt

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uknownvalue (Oct 26, 2017 - 8:16 pm)

Congratulations Wolf - This is really great news. Hope you have a great celebration. Even though it is hard to tell when and where you will need your license - passing is a good accomplishment for your psyche.

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kramer716 (Oct 26, 2017 - 8:51 pm)

Congratulations as well. As for any character and fitness crap, just do 100% full disclosure. Any minor little deal tell them about it, and if it's money issues then just include some type of plan to repay it. Don't think they will ding you too bad unless you try to hide stuff.

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moistio2 (Oct 28, 2017 - 2:57 pm)

Pozdravlayu Wolfie.

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esquire138 (Oct 30, 2017 - 5:18 pm)

Why pay the few to take it if not to be licensed? You can appeal c&f.

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newyorkcity (Oct 30, 2017 - 7:38 pm)

If the poor guy gets his application denied based on C&F issues (even C&F debt issues), he may never get another professional license anywhere. Other professional licensing boards are not nearly as strict as C&F committees. Did you know that the board that licenses physicians is the same board that licenses barbers?

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esquire138 (Oct 30, 2017 - 8:28 pm)

If that is the concern, then I ask again, why take the bar exam at all? Why waste the time and money? Why?

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