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Personal Injury attorney murdered in Kansas City

Some context: - Homeless Man was stealing copper from Jun admin10/26/17
A bit of an update; it appears that the police have not char toooldtocare10/27/17
Bankruptcy would not have helped Jungerman, per 523(a)(6) of nighthawk10/26/17
Clearly, Mr. Jungerman isn't playing with a full deck. He h caj11110/26/17
I have been practicing for over 25 years and have known seve boomeresq10/27/17
My 30 year experience has been similar, with attorneys injur toooldtocare10/27/17
I have a recurring dream where I envision myself in this exa trickydick10/27/17
Among other things, IMHO, this shows that taking personal in wolfman10/27/17
Haha yeah. In cases where there is commercial ins. you almo karlfarbman10/27/17
We had one recently where this guy drove to his wife's divor fettywap10/27/17
There was an attorney who was killed in the early 2000s befo kramer71610/27/17
You have a significantly higher chance of being injured or k mrtor10/27/17
metro you are so wrong. I have had death threats and so have boomeresq10/27/17
Never liked how judges can get auto CCW because of "professi unlearnedhand10/27/17
Attorneys should be permitted to obtain concealed carry perm notiers10/28/17
admin (Oct 26, 2017 - 8:53 am)

Some context:

- Homeless Man was stealing copper from Jungerman's business
- Jungerman shot at homeless man to defend his property. Homeless man lost his leg.
- Attorney Pickert represented homeless man in suing Jungerman. Jungerman represented himself.
- Attorney Pickert won a $5.7 million verdict on behalf of homeless man against Jungerman
- Jungerman shot dead attorney Pickert and fled

http://www.kmbc.com/article/local-business-owner-sued-after-shooting-attempted-burglars-in-2012/8644634

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5018577/Attorney-shot-dead-sitting-Kansas-City-porch.html

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toooldtocare (Oct 27, 2017 - 12:21 pm)

A bit of an update; it appears that the police have not charged anyone and have not identified a suspect.

http://fox4kc.com/2017/10/26/kc-police-say-theyve-spoke-with-the-owner-of-the-van-seen-leaving-the-scene-where-a-kc-attorney-was-killed/

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nighthawk (Oct 26, 2017 - 8:57 am)

Bankruptcy would not have helped Jungerman, per 523(a)(6) of the Bankruptcy Code. Most likely, the legless homeless man and Pickert's family will not a see a dime of that 5.7 mil verdict.

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caj111 (Oct 26, 2017 - 11:08 pm)

Clearly, Mr. Jungerman isn't playing with a full deck. He had no lawyer defending him at the civil trial or to negotiate a settlement beforehand, and he shot the plaintiff's attorney because he lost. Perhaps the insanity defense will help him now.

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boomeresq (Oct 27, 2017 - 7:36 am)

I have been practicing for over 25 years and have known several attorneys who have been physically injurred by opposing parties. One was shot and one in an axe attack. Both were the result of domestic relations cases which have always been considered the most dangerous for attorneys. I now think we all must be far more cautious about our personal safety and that of our families. This makes one think if this profession can now be worth the risk.

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toooldtocare (Oct 27, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

My 30 year experience has been similar, with attorneys injured by opposing parties in domestic relations cases-and all of the attacks occurred in the courtroom or the courthouse. Attacks at home in PI cases is a worrisome expansion.

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trickydick (Oct 27, 2017 - 10:21 am)

I have a recurring dream where I envision myself in this exact scenario. It’s like in Twelve Monkeys where Bruce Willis keeps having that dream about the day at the airport.

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wolfman (Oct 27, 2017 - 10:34 am)

Among other things, IMHO, this shows that taking personal injury cases where there is no insurance (as I assume was the case here), not to mention where the plaintiff is a homeless criminal who was injured while actually committing a crime, is a bad idea...

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karlfarbman (Oct 27, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

Haha yeah. In cases where there is commercial ins. you almost never see attorneys putting liens on houses even if the judgment is over the coverage. I bet they would've covered or at least defended the guy even if not pay out but he was crazy and wouldn't cooperate so they dropped him. Maybe ins didn't cover what happened cause it was copper and not inventory or cause it happened outside of store hours, but seems like theft and events arising out of theft might have been covered. Stuff like false imprisonment or defamation that involves shopkeeper's privilege prob is.

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fettywap (Oct 27, 2017 - 1:42 pm)

We had one recently where this guy drove to his wife's divorce attorney's house and killed him while his wife and children were home. He was then on his way to kill his divorce attorney who had withdrawn from his case when police picked him up.

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kramer716 (Oct 27, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

There was an attorney who was killed in the early 2000s before I got on-island and I think that was a divorce case as well.

I worked child support cases on Guam, and there was one particular case that involved a soldier. The hearing was heated, and he was standing up complaining about me, the judge, the mother, etc. His line was something like "I fight for your freedom, and you continue to rip me off and treat me unfairly." I am paraphrasing, but that's the gist. He was getting heated, so I offered up some temporary compromise as a safety valve. LUckily, it worked, and that hearing was adjourned. Clerk calls the next case, and the Judge interrupted her, looked up and asked, "What are you doing here?" I turn around to see about ten court marshalls with their hands on their weapons ready to charge. The lead guy said something to the effect of, "We were watching the security cam and saw the guy standing, and getting aggressive. We also noticed that he is an Army Ranger, so if he wanted to make a move, nothing was going to stop him so erred on the side of caution." It was appreciated.

I was always surprised that I didn't receive any threats when I was doing child support. None of the other attorneys did either as far as I know. We had one attorney who got herself exiled from court for basically being crazy, but as far as I know there were never any threats.

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mrtor (Oct 27, 2017 - 2:38 pm)

You have a significantly higher chance of being injured or killed in a random attack than in relationship to your work as an attorney. Let's not get too self-righteous about how "dangerous" our profession is.. all things considered, its probably one of the safest.

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boomeresq (Oct 27, 2017 - 5:05 pm)

metro you are so wrong. I have had death threats and so have many other attorneys. With the culture encouraging people to disrespect attorneys and be aggressive and armed. It will only get worse.

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unlearnedhand (Oct 27, 2017 - 6:49 pm)

Never liked how judges can get auto CCW because of "profession" while lawyers cannot. The same threats are standing closer to us than to them.

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notiers (Oct 28, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

Attorneys should be permitted to obtain concealed carry permits. We deal with nut jobs all the time. But since I live in NY, my only chance of getting one is resorting to bribery - which up until recently was a pretty easy way of getting a concealed permit.

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