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Online law schools and non ABA schools.

Most are in CA but not all. Would you ever consider itbir re esquire13811/02/17
I've worked with people who went to Michigan, Cornell, NYU, notreallyalawyer11/02/17
Wasn't asking about docreview. Do you mean we are all screwe esquire13811/02/17
I'm just saying that you can be screwed even going to very g notreallyalawyer11/02/17
If you are not accepted to an ABA-accredited law school, you blackholelaw11/02/17
Gotcha. Would an unaccredited jd work for jd prefered work? esquire13811/02/17
all doc reviews open to JDs require you to graduate from an wolfman11/03/17
When I started my last job I was hired along with two other kramer71611/02/17
If transfering out of Cooley is so easy why do most not? esquire13811/02/17
They may not have the grades to do so. The pattern I saw bec kramer71611/02/17
MSU or UOM? I can believe the first but not the second. esquire13811/02/17
The one I mentioned kramer71611/02/17
No clue what michigan means since both have in name. Forgive esquire13811/02/17
Are u being unessarily contentious? He said state. And eve wutwutwut11/02/17
I thought Michican State WAS Cooley now? Google tells me oth wolfman11/03/17
Western michigan. esquire13811/03/17
Oh yeah, talk about brand dilution for anything from that st wolfman11/03/17
Michigan State tried to buy Cooley back in the 90s, but as p kramer71611/04/17
Is there even a point to transferring to a school of not tha notreallyalawyer11/02/17
Heard this before, but no clue as to the source so take it f kramer71611/02/17
I used to say: graduate first in your class at Yale, but spe dingbat11/03/17
i knew a kid from cooley who tried to transfer. and his prof whiteguyinchina11/04/17
I heard thatbus also why low ranked schools grade lower, no esquire13811/04/17
I say go the other way. Take 1l in campus then rest online. esquire13811/02/17
I went to law school before the online law schools started. kramer71611/02/17
They were by mail at that point. Some like taftu still offer esquire13811/02/17

esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 6:33 pm)

Most are in CA but not all. Would you ever consider itbir recommend it to anyone?

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 2, 2017 - 6:34 pm)

I've worked with people who went to Michigan, Cornell, NYU, Harvard Law School who did doc review.

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 6:38 pm)

Wasn't asking about docreview. Do you mean we are all screwed so go anywhere?

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 2, 2017 - 6:42 pm)

I'm just saying that you can be screwed even going to very good law schools.

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blackholelaw (Nov 2, 2017 - 8:30 pm)

If you are not accepted to an ABA-accredited law school, you should not go.

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 6:44 pm)

Gotcha. Would an unaccredited jd work for jd prefered work? If so even outside CA it could work even if unlicensed and in theory if licensed in CA then the licensed in any state better paying reviews might hire nationwide.

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wolfman (Nov 3, 2017 - 12:23 pm)

all doc reviews open to JDs require you to graduate from an ABA-accredited schools; any job that is "JD-prefreed" typically asks for the same; there is value in an unaccredited degree unless actually licensed

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kramer716 (Nov 2, 2017 - 7:35 pm)

When I started my last job I was hired along with two other attorneys, and one graduated from a non-ABA accredited law school. Guam required that you graduate from an ABA-accredited law school, and in his defense it is now accredited but it wasn't then. Anyway, the office had to do a special motion to Guam's Supreme Court to get a waiver. I also practiced before a Judge that graduated from a non-ABA law school. I think it was called the Peoples' law school but don't quote me. She was a decent judge, scary as hell but I digress.

To answer your question, would I recommend a non-ABA or an online law school to anyone? No chance in hell. I would recommend they do anything else because the time and expense isn't worth it in my opinion. If they insisted on pursuing law school, then I would tell them to go through the US News and figure out what schools you can get into. If they cannot get in anywhere then I would recommend that they go to Cooley for a year and transfer out. I have known a few people that did that and they actually have decent careers.

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:06 pm)

If transfering out of Cooley is so easy why do most not?

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kramer716 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:24 pm)

They may not have the grades to do so. The pattern I saw because of where I went to law school was they would go to Cooley for a year, work their butt off and come over to Michigan State to finish. Having said that if you don't have the grades then obviously you won't be able to get out.

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:27 pm)

MSU or UOM? I can believe the first but not the second.

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kramer716 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:28 pm)

The one I mentioned

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:31 pm)

No clue what michigan means since both have in name. Forgive my ignorance

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wutwutwut (Nov 2, 2017 - 11:38 pm)

Are u being unessarily contentious? He said state. And even if he hadn't, no one goes from Cooley to UM.

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wolfman (Nov 3, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

I thought Michican State WAS Cooley now? Google tells me otherwise, so I was wrong. But didn't they try to "affiliate" with some place with Michigan in the name?

But yeah, LOL at Cooley to U of M transfer... and he did say "Michigan State."

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esquire138 (Nov 3, 2017 - 12:28 pm)

Western michigan.

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wolfman (Nov 3, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

Oh yeah, talk about brand dilution for anything from that state LOL

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kramer716 (Nov 4, 2017 - 12:32 am)

Michigan State tried to buy Cooley back in the 90s, but as part of the sale, Cooley would have had to change their admissions policies which they wouldn't do so the deal fell through. Michigan State bought the Detroit College of Law instead, and that is what it was called when I first started law school. By the end, they changed the name twice, and it ended up being the Michigan State University College of Law. Once we dropped Detroit from the name of the school our ranking skyrocketed. Lucky for us the brand remains strong, at least in the midwest.

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:33 pm)

Is there even a point to transferring to a school of not that big of a difference? After my first year, top 5% I tried to transfer to NYU, Columbia and Michigan, didn't get into any of them. Some guy who was ranked around where I am, transferred into Cornell..

I actually thought I had a decent chance. I went to one of my professors for a reference, told him my GPA and class rank, and the schools I was considering and he said "Sorry to see you leave"..

Then again I'm glad I didn't transfer, it wouldn't have helped me and I'd be even more bitter having graduated from Say Columbia and being unemployable.

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kramer716 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:41 pm)

Heard this before, but no clue as to the source so take it for what it's worth. There was a survey done of the Big law partners in the greater Metro NYC area, and the question was what is the top law school in the country. The top 3 they came back with was 1. Harvard 2. Yale and 3. Princeton. The issue being Princeton doesn't have a law school, so I would say the brand name of the law school does play a bit of a role.

You could be a great law student on par with anyone from Harvard or Yale, but if they see Cooley you may get a bit of a negative reaction from that. If you are a middle of the road student, but they see your degree is from Georgetown then you may get that added boost of credibility.

Now I think this is mainly an issue for students when they first get out of law school. If you have been doing whatever for ten to fifteen years, and you have a solid rep then the fact that you went to a Tier-3 or Tier-4 law school won't mean jack.

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dingbat (Nov 3, 2017 - 9:20 pm)

I used to say: graduate first in your class at Yale, but spend the next ten years on a beach, nobody will hire you. Barely graduate from Cooley, but argue in front of the supreme court, and everyone wants to hire you.

Thing is, from Yale, it's a lot easier to make it to arguing in front of the Supreme Court. Better schools open better doors leading to better opportunities. Coming out of Yale, it's not hard to get a prestigious job - Federal clerkship or biglaw - with plenty of lateral opportunities and the ability to make great connections. From Cooley, it's hard to find an unpaid internship and can't even compete for public defender jobs. So it requires a lot more hard work, grind, hustle, and luck.

It's like Cooley has you at the start of the Marathon, Yale has you start at the 100 yard line.

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whiteguyinchina (Nov 4, 2017 - 4:48 am)

i knew a kid from cooley who tried to transfer. and his professors prevented him by refusing to give letters of recommendation.

this is routinely done. that's why so few transfer. admins wont let u put a transfer app together.

true story.

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esquire138 (Nov 4, 2017 - 12:33 pm)

I heard thatbus also why low ranked schools grade lower, no curve basically, as well. If true seems horrible. It's also openly true that they dont have open book exams.strikes me as in purpose to lower grades and limit transfers too. Grant scholarships to anyone who is a real genius, to prevent Ana closure,and best down the rest.

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:37 pm)

I say go the other way. Take 1l in campus then rest online. Let's you skip fybx. Or if I'm ny let's you skip the last two years and just practice under a senior lawyer if you plan to work for an uncle or dad anyways.

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kramer716 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:44 pm)

I went to law school before the online law schools started. Can you split that up, campus and online? I know Arizona State advertises heavy for their online MBA, but is that even an option for law school?

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esquire138 (Nov 2, 2017 - 9:47 pm)

They were by mail at that point. Some like taftu still offer mail degrees. Some are flex with on campus and online mix with more flexible on campus hours. Kind of like docreview job hours.

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