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How did you quit?

How did it go? Especially with dysfunctional firms/bosses? warfrat11/12/17
If you are in a truly dysfunctional firm, there's no easy wa toooldtocare11/12/17
I didn't quit, i was canned with two months' notice, back in napoleone11/13/17
Left a highly dysfunctional office about a year ago. Boss te muaddib11/14/17
You are lucky you have an HR person, I think that would typi warfrat11/14/17
It was pretty bad. I came into the office and said all the r shikes11/12/17
thanks for sharing. How long where you there? What was the warfrat11/12/17
I was there for a year and my boss and I had a fairly good r shikes11/12/17
My boy from Boston quit his small firm a couple weeks ago. H isthisit11/12/17
Thanks, I needed to hear that. i need to learn to care less. warfrat11/12/17
I gave my firm a one month notice. Loved everyone there, bu junkwired11/12/17
I am obligated to give one month. warfrat11/12/17
I took a long lunch break today and had a consultation with warfrat11/21/17
warfrat (Nov 12, 2017 - 10:30 am)

How did it go?
Especially with dysfunctional firms/bosses?
I'm sure the first thing they are going to ask is where I am going; is it possible not to tell them?
I feel like the whole "to pursue other opportunities" canned lied just invites cross examination.

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toooldtocare (Nov 12, 2017 - 11:05 am)

If you are in a truly dysfunctional firm, there's no easy way to do it.
So get everything set from your end-in other words, be prepared to be escorted out of the office once you give notice.
And where are you going? If you're taking a govt job, it shouldn't be a problem telling them. But there's nothing wrong with telling them you're just moving on; what will it benefit you otherwise? If they want to cross-x you, just don't play along.

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napoleone (Nov 13, 2017 - 2:27 am)

I didn't quit, i was canned with two months' notice, back in 2009. There were no jobs for attorneys in my practice area, so i had to start my own shop. The partners i worked for have all retired now. The senior associates i worked with all burned out and quit except one. I wish i could have stayed longer, but it wasn't in the cards.

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muaddib (Nov 14, 2017 - 4:28 pm)

Left a highly dysfunctional office about a year ago. Boss tends toward hysteria and yelling. Very high turnover office and other staff/atty exits had been strained or ugly.

I planned everything out before hand. Secretly finished all outstanding projects before giving notice. Was going to do it in person but ended up having to call boss’s cell phone while he was unexpectedly out for depos for a week. Obviously caught him at a weird time but it worked in my favor as he was totally distracted and thrown off.

Gave two weeks notice during the call. He barely said anything just “ok and make sure to finish XYZ project” and hung up.

Since I was already done with everything, and he was gone, I spent about two days packing up my office, getting all my work product in order, working out vacation days, 401k details with HR. HR lady (and other attys) asked me where I was going but I stubbornly played dumb by answering with the name of the new city I was moving to. (When another associate tried to press me on a firm name, I just kept repeating, “I’m choosing between a few offers. Not sure yet.”

When boss happened to stop by office for depo breakout/lunch hour, I handed him my last project. He was dazed and said ok do you want to finish today? I said sure, forced a handshake on him, and walked out in the middle of the day.

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warfrat (Nov 14, 2017 - 6:34 pm)

You are lucky you have an HR person, I think that would typically keeps things more professional in a dysfunctional office.

And I am taking a page out of your playbook, I had already come up with the line "I'm deciding between a few offers" It is certainly plausible, I do feel like that line comes across as fairly not believable. In my case, but the truth is I have one firm offer with a start days and I'm going to take 2-3 months off in the interim.

Maybe the reason why I'm having a little more trepidation is my office is very small and I'm sure my departure will cause a "disruption."

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shikes (Nov 12, 2017 - 11:17 am)

It was pretty bad. I came into the office and said all the right things and how the firm is going places and I may be making a mistake but I just felt like this was the best route for me and my family to take (it was a different type of law so I also got the easy "I want to try something new" speech).

My boss kinda just stared at me and didn't say anything. Then he said 2 weeks is fine. The next day we had a meeting and a conference call with basically everyone at the firm and he out of nowhere announces that I am leaving and asks me "what do you have to say for yourself and what do you have to say to everyone who is going to be stuck doing your files and work?" and it was very awkward and I basically just said I am going to miss everyone but decided to go in a different direction. He then loses his mind and just starts screaming and swearing at me (keep in mind the ENTIRE firm is there). I basically say "I wanted to leave amicably, but I can see that won't be happening and I'm not sure what else you want me to say." He then told me to get the **** out and wanted me to reimburse the firm for CLEs/bar dues which I more or less laughed at.

I hope I never see that dude again, and I work a few hours away at this point, but it was the least professional thing I've ever went through. I wasn't going to stoop to his level and start yelling back or anything, but that episode alone made the drive back home feel so amazing that day.

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warfrat (Nov 12, 2017 - 11:49 am)

thanks for sharing. How long where you there?
What was the relationship with your boss before that?
I can see my situation deteriorate to something like that, so my goal is to avoid getting into a back and forth (like you mentioned) and avoid debating the issue that has led me to this decision.
I'm glad you feel amazing and liberated at the end of it....that's what I gotta keep my eyes on the prize

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shikes (Nov 12, 2017 - 12:43 pm)

I was there for a year and my boss and I had a fairly good relationship before that. He went nuts on how much they "invested" in me and how I'm throwing it in their face. I've thought a lot about going back and forth after the fact, but ultimately decided I did the right thing. I can say I was the only one who came out looking professional from that exchange, and as satisfying as it would have been to "let him have it" because I was no longer worried about losing my job, I think I would have regretted it today.

I've left 4 jobs in my law career and that was the only one where it was a bad exit. All others were very understanding, even threw me a going away party, etc.. If you don't like the environment you are in, that last day is literally a small step away from winning the lottery. My experience felt pretty sweet because I was excited about the job I was going to, and I got a free 2 week vacation because the new firm already had my start date penciled in at 2 weeks from the time I announced.

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isthisit (Nov 12, 2017 - 11:24 am)

My boy from Boston quit his small firm a couple weeks ago. He gave them two weeks notice so he could wrap up/withdraw from cases. He told them he appreciated the gig but wanted to do it on his own. He took some matters/clients on the way out.

The firm wasn't very happy but he doesn't really care.

Do you OP.

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warfrat (Nov 12, 2017 - 11:50 am)

Thanks, I needed to hear that. i need to learn to care less.

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junkwired (Nov 12, 2017 - 12:23 pm)

I gave my firm a one month notice. Loved everyone there, but didn't really enjoy estate planning, so now I'm a Superior Court law clerk. I've already started looking for my future litigation position.

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warfrat (Nov 12, 2017 - 1:32 pm)

I am obligated to give one month.

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warfrat (Nov 21, 2017 - 9:58 pm)

I took a long lunch break today and had a consultation with an employment attorney.
In my city, it was a little difficult to find an atty that is exclusively dedicated to employment law.
I wanted that experience but also practical advice of someone who has seen over and over how
these situations play out from a strategic perspective. i have to say it was well worth the money,
I'd highly recommend before making an exit.

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