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How to job hunt when you're in character and fitness purgatory?

I'm in this situation at present, and it certifiably sucks. dharamsala11/21/17
I've read your posts in the past dharamsala. You and I pract specv31311/21/17
I haven't retained an attorney-I only plan to do so if I get dharamsala11/21/17
In your specific situation, I'd bide my time and apply for a blackholelaw11/21/17
I might just do that. Problem is, my grades aren't stellar, dharamsala11/21/17
Can your current judge help? I think you're in PA, and many blackholelaw11/22/17
Will a good reference trump mediocre grades? dharamsala11/22/17
If your current judge thinks you're doing a bang-up job and wutwutwut11/23/17
He praised me for the first two decisions I wrote, so yes, I dharamsala11/23/17
I was in C&F purgatory for quite some time. When I finally g lawyer211/21/17
Why was your application held up, and for how long? dharamsala11/22/17
Wow. A (presumably) legal employer thought that applying fo inho2solo11/22/17
Did my post imply that I thought otherwise, or do you just l lawyer211/22/17
Damn. What did you do during those couple of years in the pu dharamsala11/22/17
Holding yourself out as a lawyer is enough, no? You don't ac superttthero12/04/17
I know this is not what you want to hear, but JD preferred d esquire13811/21/17
Is there a demand for Spanish doc review? How much does it dharamsala11/21/17
Foreign languages always pay about twice. Triple of you know esquire13811/22/17
Look for work outside the legal profession. trickydick11/23/17
Took me 15 months from bar passage to being admitted via C&F hairypalms11/23/17
Are you currently working in the law? dharamsala11/23/17
I hear UBER is hiring. isthisit11/23/17
This. trickydick11/23/17
I have a Bachelors Degree and I'm trilingual. I honestly th dharamsala12/04/17
You might. trickydick12/05/17
During the wait cant you do stuff like social security work esquire13811/23/17
I didn't realize that this was an option. I thought that on dharamsala12/04/17
You'd need to apply to be an enrolled advocate and pass an e wolfman12/04/17
Thanks. Looks like you also need to take an exam to be a dharamsala12/04/17

dharamsala (Nov 21, 2017 - 12:35 pm)

I'm in this situation at present, and it certifiably sucks. I'm currently clerking for a judge, but that clerkship ends in August 2018, and I'll need to have a job lined up for after that. How should I be handling the post-clerkship job search while the star chamber Committee on Character resolves my "issues"? Should I be searching for non-legal/JD Advantage positions until I have a law license in hand? Or should I be applying for positions that require licensure, but disclose to the employers at some point that the Committee on Character is still deliberating?

FWIW, I've consulted with attorneys in my state regarding my "issues", and they've said that nothing that I disclosed on my bar application would be a categorical bar to licensure (but that I should expect a delay).

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specv313 (Nov 21, 2017 - 2:28 pm)

I've read your posts in the past dharamsala. You and I practice in the same jurisdiction. From speaking with other attorneys, do you have a sense of how long until the star chambers makes a determination regarding your "issues"? If I recall correctly, you're not taking the bar exam until February, 2018, which would mean you won't receive your bar results until May. I certainly would apply to JD-required jobs prior to finding out if you passed the bar exam, so it seems to also make sense to apply to those jobs in spite of your character & fitness hold-up, assuming there will be a character & fitness determination prior to May, 2018 (to coincide with, hopefully, bar passage).

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dharamsala (Nov 21, 2017 - 2:50 pm)

I haven't retained an attorney-I only plan to do so if I get a hearing. But from the attorneys I got free consults from, I didn't get a straight answer re: how many months delay to expect. These things are hard to predict and the Committee on Character is notoriously glacial in pace.

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blackholelaw (Nov 21, 2017 - 2:36 pm)

In your specific situation, I'd bide my time and apply for another one-year clerkship position. You don't need your law license for it, and it'll hold you over while you get your affairs in order.

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dharamsala (Nov 21, 2017 - 6:34 pm)

I might just do that. Problem is, my grades aren't stellar, and that's really important criteria for clerking.

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blackholelaw (Nov 22, 2017 - 5:34 pm)

Can your current judge help? I think you're in PA, and many, many CCP judges would prefer someone with experience over a newbie with good grades.

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dharamsala (Nov 22, 2017 - 7:32 pm)

Will a good reference trump mediocre grades?

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wutwutwut (Nov 23, 2017 - 8:50 am)

If your current judge thinks you're doing a bang-up job and is willing to say so to another judge who knows him personally, why wouldn't that trump mediocre grades?

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dharamsala (Nov 23, 2017 - 1:56 pm)

He praised me for the first two decisions I wrote, so yes, I'm submitting fairly good work.

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lawyer2 (Nov 21, 2017 - 7:33 pm)

I was in C&F purgatory for quite some time. When I finally got the letter that I'd been recommended for admission but before I was sworn in, I updated my resume saying I was an attorney and started applying.

Shortly thereafter, I got a call from the State Bar Ethics Attorney saying they received a UPL complaint against me. I was like WTF?? Turns out, a potential employer I'd applied to, looked me up in the Lawyer directory and when I was not there, lodged an UPL complaint.

The State Bar Ethics attorney was cool and dismissed it but gotdamn that was scary af!

Be careful!

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dharamsala (Nov 22, 2017 - 10:06 am)

Why was your application held up, and for how long?

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inho2solo (Nov 22, 2017 - 12:35 pm)

Wow. A (presumably) legal employer thought that applying for a legal job = practice of law?

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lawyer2 (Nov 22, 2017 - 1:05 pm)

Did my post imply that I thought otherwise, or do you just like stating the obvious, lol



@dharamsala I had a host of issues stemming from my tumultuous youth. It took me a couple years to get admitted, but it all worked out. I made a post about my journey in the C&F threads.

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dharamsala (Nov 22, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

Damn. What did you do during those couple of years in the purgatory to pay the bills?

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superttthero (Dec 4, 2017 - 12:20 pm)

Holding yourself out as a lawyer is enough, no? You don't actually have to practice.

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esquire138 (Nov 21, 2017 - 8:13 pm)

I know this is not what you want to hear, but JD preferred docreview jobs will still take anyone with a pulse and a degree.

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dharamsala (Nov 21, 2017 - 9:10 pm)

Is there a demand for Spanish doc review? How much does it pay?

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esquire138 (Nov 22, 2017 - 7:52 pm)

Foreign languages always pay about twice. Triple of you know anything asian.

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trickydick (Nov 23, 2017 - 2:15 am)

Look for work outside the legal profession.

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hairypalms (Nov 23, 2017 - 10:12 am)

Took me 15 months from bar passage to being admitted via C&F. Worst experience of my life.

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dharamsala (Nov 23, 2017 - 10:54 am)

Are you currently working in the law?

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isthisit (Nov 23, 2017 - 12:12 pm)

I hear UBER is hiring.

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trickydick (Nov 23, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

This.

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dharamsala (Dec 4, 2017 - 11:42 am)

I have a Bachelors Degree and I'm trilingual. I honestly think I can at least get a non-legal job that requires a BA.

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trickydick (Dec 5, 2017 - 10:04 pm)

You might.

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esquire138 (Nov 23, 2017 - 2:39 pm)

During the wait cant you do stuff like social security work still? Arent there gimps lined up waiting for sometime to sign a contingency fee with that can wear a suit and look lawyerish? I think the VA does the same.

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dharamsala (Dec 4, 2017 - 11:35 am)

I didn't realize that this was an option. I thought that only attorneys could represent clients in SSI/SSDI and VA benefits matters. Thanks!

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wolfman (Dec 4, 2017 - 12:17 pm)

You'd need to apply to be an enrolled advocate and pass an exam given by SSA, etc, in order to get paid anything; it's not an instant thing... an open-book exam shouldn't be hard to pass though if you can pass the bar: https://www.ssa.gov/representation/nonattyrep.htm

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dharamsala (Dec 4, 2017 - 12:39 pm)

Thanks.

Looks like you also need to take an exam to be an accredited non-attorney VA rep.

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