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better elsewhere?

I'd like to hear from anyone who's practiced in a coastal st nofaultkillself11/28/17
f-ck yes Note: I'm transactional, not litigation, so keep dingbat11/28/17
I have a few friends that moved to Idaho to practice law. Th cocolawyer11/28/17
not in idaho, but, yeah, it sucks in flyover country. You'l dingbat11/28/17
I would do it but my wife was born and raised in SF. All her cocolawyer11/28/17
Serious question coco. Why does Idaho suck? I have relative 2ski11/28/17
It's boring. There is absolutely nothing to do in Idaho. You cocolawyer11/28/17
nofaultkillself (Nov 28, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

I'd like to hear from anyone who's practiced in a coastal state with fast-paced litigation to comment on whether it's easier (slower pace, lower billable requirements, less fuc*facey partners) in other parts of the country.

Thanks.

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dingbat (Nov 28, 2017 - 3:55 pm)

f-ck yes

Note: I'm transactional, not litigation, so keep that in mind.

I moved from a coastal state to a flyover state for lifestyle reasons. I think it's incredibly rare for me to put in less than 60 hours a week, and have definitely put in 100+ hours. Now, I work 40 hours most weeks, and don't think I've broken 50 hours yet.

Now this might be firm specific, but I have friends who have also moved from coastal states to the middle of nowhere, and by-and-large, we can all attest to the same experience:

We work both less hours and less hard than we did on the coasts and are killing it because we work longer and harder than any of the locals. Income potential is lower, but easier to achieve, and the cost of living more than makes up for it. Partners tend to be more easy-going too.


On the flip side, firms tend to be a lot smaller, which actually can make it harder to make partner - the old fart will keep saying you can take over his/her share when he/she fades out, and will keep dangling that carrot in front of you for far too long. (compared to biglaw, where the only criteria to making partner is bringing in enough business)

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cocolawyer (Nov 28, 2017 - 5:14 pm)

I have a few friends that moved to Idaho to practice law. They are making less but Christ there hours are like 32 per week. They only work half days on Friday's and everyone is so loose with the law's they destroy everyone. I find attorney's from coastal states, due to the high pressure environment, tend to know the law better (or will work harder to find it out).

The problem is that Idaho sucks and all my family is in California.

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dingbat (Nov 28, 2017 - 5:52 pm)

not in idaho, but, yeah, it sucks in flyover country.
You'll have more free time, but less to do with that time.

basically, all those nice amenities you're used to - gone. those nice activities - gone. interesting people to talk to - gone.
It's mostly simple people with simple hobbies.

If you're used to living in a big coastal city, it's a big change. big name musicians might play in your old city 3 nights at a stretch every year could go a decade without visiting shtville.
There will be the occasional live theater, but the worst production since you were in high school.
Fine dining will consist of national chains, with only a handful of "boutiques"

Basically, if you're a fun-loving 20-something, don't do it. If you're in your 30s / 40s raising kids, it's great as you get to spend more time with your family. But once you get past that, it'll suck again, because your kids have left (guarantee they won't stay in shtville) and you got nothing to do, again

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cocolawyer (Nov 28, 2017 - 6:14 pm)

I would do it but my wife was born and raised in SF. All her family is in SF. She is mexican american and the level of diversity in flyover area's is almost non-exsistent.

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2ski (Nov 28, 2017 - 5:25 pm)

Serious question coco. Why does Idaho suck? I have relative wanting to relocate there.

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cocolawyer (Nov 28, 2017 - 6:13 pm)

It's boring. There is absolutely nothing to do in Idaho. You want fine dining...well they got a steakhouse where you can buy 5 lbs of steak while you are in a tank top. You want to go experience a broadway show...well the local high school is doing Romeo & Juliet (everyone forgets there lines). Want to go out dancing...hope you like country music or some ghetto crap hole (in fairness that is everywhere). Want to go watch your favorite sports team...oh wait Idaho doesn't have a professional team in any sport. Want stimulating conversation...hope talking about different variety of beers is the extent of stimulating. You love a diverse environment...the 4 different varying shades of white is close to diverse ...right?

It just sucks. Because it sucks though it is easier to be a professional as you are the only one in the room.

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