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Soon doc review will pay only double minimum wage in the highest paid areas

30/hr will be double minimum wage. One day doc review, if it notreallyalawyer11/29/17
I've seen it advertised a lot lower than that. Of course I' esquire13811/29/17
monkey work pays 17/hour in SC but TN rates have been going triplesix11/29/17
Won’t higher min wage have to drive up doc review rates or notreallyalawyer11/29/17
Legally as contract work you can makes LESS than minimum wag esquire13811/30/17
I don't see how as you are hourly. If you were salaried, you notreallyalawyer12/03/17
When you factor in exempt from over time with flat rate pay esquire13812/03/17
A lot of lawyers stuck in doc review are Losers by birth, an flyer1411/30/17
For what it is worth... Charlotte rates are going up I am gu triplesix11/30/17
I would be curious to know: do doc review outfits in cities flyer1412/01/17
To the best of my knowledge (worked for two different compan jdcumlaude12/01/17
Maybe that is a good thing. It may compel doc review nation nighthawk11/30/17
JD prefered and non admitted attorneys is a docreview that p esquire13812/01/17
My agency added about 100 doc reviewers today. No attractive notreallyalawyer12/01/17
Based on attractiveness alone? esquire13812/01/17
I'm thinking how unsustainable this is in markets like DC. A notreallyalawyer12/03/17
Nah. People will keep believing that THEY are special. That esquire13812/03/17
Well obviously most law school grads are at least doing some notreallyalawyer12/03/17
That's not what I was saying at all. Decent points but not m esquire13812/03/17
Joining the military at least gets you: - A free educatio flyer1412/03/17
It also, and I'm sure people will make fun of me for saying wolfman12/04/17
Same. Will strongly encourage my future kids to go the ROTC kramer71612/04/17
In most cases, we look back at things we did with more pride flyer1412/04/17
Exactly, doc review does not pay a living wage. Even if y trijocker12/04/17
Once doc review drops to minimum wage I'll go back to school jackofspeed12/04/17
You guys act like you can't make tank faster with college. I esquire13812/04/17
I'll make a lot more tank selling hollowed out coconuts fill jackofspeed12/04/17

notreallyalawyer (Nov 29, 2017 - 6:32 pm)

30/hr will be double minimum wage. One day doc review, if it lasts another 15 years, will be minimum wage.

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esquire138 (Nov 29, 2017 - 7:32 pm)

I've seen it advertised a lot lower than that.
Of course I'm probably thinking of JD preferred for the ones awaiting bar results or still in school.

There are ones paying $90 but want you to speak Japanese or German (Axis Reviews?)

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triplesix (Nov 29, 2017 - 9:08 pm)

monkey work pays 17/hour in SC but TN rates have been going up tho

which is close enough

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notreallyalawyer (Nov 29, 2017 - 9:38 pm)

Won’t higher min wage have to drive up doc review rates or create more suicidal doc reviewers knowing they’d be better off having a GED?

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esquire138 (Nov 30, 2017 - 10:17 am)

Legally as contract work you can makes LESS than minimum wage.....

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 3, 2017 - 5:35 pm)

I don't see how as you are hourly. If you were salaried, you could be paid less than minimum wage.

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esquire138 (Dec 3, 2017 - 7:06 pm)

When you factor in exempt from over time with flat rate pay

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flyer14 (Nov 30, 2017 - 8:26 am)

A lot of lawyers stuck in doc review are Losers by birth, and Losers lose. Most may have suicidal tendencies, but being Losers, they would likely Lose at their suicidal thoughts and not carry out the act, instead preferring to live their life in ignominy.

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Truth is, doc review rates will remain depressed until the supply of lawyers dries up. Even then, it’ll take a couple years of chronic staff shortages before agencies grudgingly wise up and pay more.

(Click monkeys get about $23 an hour in my area.)

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triplesix (Nov 30, 2017 - 11:58 am)

For what it is worth... Charlotte rates are going up I am guessing after infilawl trashbin got shut down, the supply got cut a bit

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flyer14 (Dec 1, 2017 - 8:46 am)

I would be curious to know: do doc review outfits in cities with garbagecan schools charge a special lower rate for non-admitted JD's due to the glut of them who will likely never pass a bar exam?

I.E. if the going rate for admitted attorneys is $23 an hour, would they pay $17 an hour for a non-admitted JD?

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jdcumlaude (Dec 1, 2017 - 8:58 am)

To the best of my knowledge (worked for two different companies), NC doc review outfits only take admitted JD (any jurisdiction). Even with many of these outfits being based in Charlotte. That being said the year I graduated (2013) about 1,100 people passed the NC Bar Exam and those numbers have on slightly dipped with the closure of CSOL.

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nighthawk (Nov 30, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

Maybe that is a good thing. It may compel doc review nation to reassess and look to break out and do something real.

On second thought, I doubt anything will change.

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esquire138 (Dec 1, 2017 - 9:44 am)

JD prefered and non admitted attorneys is a docreview that pays like a buck less an
Hour. Some even allow pretty much any punk off the street even lacking a jd.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 1, 2017 - 5:34 pm)

My agency added about 100 doc reviewers today. No attractive ones. It’s clear they don’t do doc review because they don’t have to

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esquire138 (Dec 1, 2017 - 6:22 pm)

Based on attractiveness alone?

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 3, 2017 - 5:34 pm)

I'm thinking how unsustainable this is in markets like DC. Assuming doc review still exists in 5 years from now, it will still pay 27-32 an hour, with most jobs being $30/hr. You live within 25 miles of downtown and rent on a 1 bedroom apartment is at least $1800 month, which will go up by $60-100 in rent each following year. So soon it will cost $2500 a month for an apartment pretty much anywhere, and you are still making the same wage that you were making in 2003, doing doc review.. Eventually something has got to break. People will stop going to law school if they realize the most money they can make is 30/hr and never get any increase, and no benefits, not even sick leave. Somebody really should in a public way, warn people about going to law school, instead of having to find it on blogs that 10 people read.

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esquire138 (Dec 3, 2017 - 7:09 pm)

Nah. People will keep believing that THEY are special. That THEY will be that one sucess story that comes to brag at school events on dean's request. Because they WANT it now Charlie
..........you have to believe charlie!!!

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 3, 2017 - 7:24 pm)

Well obviously most law school grads are at least doing some kind of work.. I guess it still exists because people don't really know what they want to do, and didn't want to join the labor force... this is unsustainable...

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esquire138 (Dec 3, 2017 - 7:28 pm)

That's not what I was saying at all. Decent points but not mine. Interestingly I think that you just described the armed forces recruitment strategy.

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flyer14 (Dec 3, 2017 - 11:48 pm)

Joining the military at least gets you:

- A free education, usually to the associates or bachelor’s level
- Lifetime GI bill and VA benefits
- Some sort of technical skill you can use later
- Guaranteed paycheck

Law school guarantees none of these.

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wolfman (Dec 4, 2017 - 1:30 am)

It also, and I'm sure people will make fun of me for saying this, gives you a few years of doing something that you will likely look back on with pride and thinking you were a man for doing it (yes, this only applies if you aren't blown up by Ahmed or hurt so badly you'll never look back on anything with any feelings other than misery, but my point stands)..

Does anyone look back on law school with pride?

I wish I had enlisted like I wanted to right after 9/11 instead of going to LS a few years later. No joke.

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kramer716 (Dec 4, 2017 - 8:49 am)

Same. Will strongly encourage my future kids to go the ROTC route.

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flyer14 (Dec 4, 2017 - 12:32 pm)

In most cases, we look back at things we did with more pride as time goes on. You look back at high school for instance with rose colored glasses and tell stories that get slightly more embellished with the passage of time. Sometimes when telling these stories you might even miss the good old days of Saturday morning cartoons and having no adult responsibilities such as bills. Instead your world consisted of what clique you were in, who was hot, who was not, etc... and that was it.

Generally that doesn't happen with your time in law school... or at least not to the same extent.

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trijocker (Dec 4, 2017 - 10:22 am)

Exactly, doc review does not pay a living wage.

Even if you factor out law school loan repayments, the wage does not provide enough to live on in a major metro area. I did doc reviews twice about 7 years ago in the Silicon Valley. Both only offered 13-15 per hour in pay at the time, even though it was through Special Counsel. While some of the people were from prestigious schools, CAL, etc. and were bar admitted the only way they could afford to take that wage was if they lived at home. Sadly some had been living at home for many years.

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jackofspeed (Dec 4, 2017 - 9:17 am)

Once doc review drops to minimum wage I'll go back to school for a hospitality gig.

There's room to move as a fry cook.

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esquire138 (Dec 4, 2017 - 10:10 am)

You guys act like you can't make tank faster with college. Instant E4.

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jackofspeed (Dec 4, 2017 - 10:42 am)

I'll make a lot more tank selling hollowed out coconuts filled with alcohol slushies and topped off with a little 151.

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