Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

To Fight or Not to Fight

Just received a ticket pulling into my parking garage runnin jd4hire12/21/17
You drove in the lane of oncoming traffic because you didn't bucwild12/21/17
IMO, I received two violations more than I should have. Tha jd4hire12/21/17
So you clearly earned the tickets, then decided to compound pauperesq12/21/17
Once a ticket is already written, the problem is there. I d jd4hire12/21/17
Of course the problem is already there. You could have just pauperesq12/22/17
Sounds like you haven't been to traffic court, which is good toooldtocare12/21/17
Take your medicine. Everything about your story makes you s jddidtie12/21/17
I immediately acknowledged what I did hwne he approached my jd4hire12/21/17
Fool! You never outright “ask for leniency” from a cop jddidtie12/24/17
In my jx, you could "fight" it, show up in court, skip the l lilgub12/21/17
This is my expected outcome. Attorneys get to skip the line jd4hire12/21/17
I'd be more worried about racking up so many points (assumin dogdaypm12/21/17
Sounds like you earned your tickets. In Jersey you'd appr isthisit12/21/17
just cut a deal dingbat12/21/17
OP - you're a d bag and an idiot. You deserve to get hammere tcpaul12/22/17
Aaaaand... Welcome back to this week's edition of Strong Opi dogdaypm12/22/17
are there actual lawyers still here? of COURSE u try to g defensivelawyer12/24/17
An actual lawyer should have better uses of his/her time tha bucwild12/24/17
If he gets all the possible points, his insurance rates go u toooldtocare12/24/17
Wanted to provide an update...all dismissed. And in rev jd4hire01/30/18

jd4hire (Dec 21, 2017 - 10:36 am)

Just received a ticket pulling into my parking garage running a little late. To pull into the garage, there is a left turn lane at a light. The garage is downtown and often the cars going straight block or jut into the left turn lane. Further, the cars were backed up well before the beginning of the left turn lane. I went into the oncoming lane for a brief moment to get into the left turn lane to then turn into the garage.

I made my turn and by that point a cop had pulled in right behind me. He hit me for left of center, overtaking on the left, and laned roadway violation. They all seem duplicative. Each has a few of $85. Grand total was $258 after some stupid $3 fee.

Cop and I got into a little bit of a verbal altercation. He handed me the ticket and said Merry Christmas. I told him I hope his is terrible and that he doesn't get a break next time he needs one from somebody else. It went on a little, but I'm pretty positive my action guaranteed his appearance at my court date.

Little bit of research suggests that I could fight at least two of the violations as I don't think I clearly violated the statute based on statutory construction (I realize these arguments aren't routinely made at traffic court).

What does JU think? To fight or not to fight?

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bucwild (Dec 21, 2017 - 10:38 am)

You drove in the lane of oncoming traffic because you didn't want to wait in traffic, and have the audacity to waste the court's time fighting this? Please update how this goes after your court date.

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jd4hire (Dec 21, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

IMO, I received two violations more than I should have. That's why I was curious on fighting. IMO, I didn't commit three separate violations. So yes, I have the audacity to fight it. Based on my one prior experience in traffic court 7 years ago, I will likely have 2 of the 3 offenses dismissed. I'll update on the 31st.

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pauperesq (Dec 21, 2017 - 11:08 am)

So you clearly earned the tickets, then decided to compound your problems by mouthing off to the cop. Smart play.

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jd4hire (Dec 21, 2017 - 1:50 pm)

Once a ticket is already written, the problem is there. I did compound by mouthing off. Not for nothing, I did email the cop to apologize to me being rude. This was done (1) because I was rude, but (2) to blunt him bad mouthing at court. I'll fall on my sword and admit I was a jerk there, but I'll highlight it was responsive to the city's finest being a jerk to me first.

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pauperesq (Dec 22, 2017 - 12:01 pm)

Of course the problem is already there. You could have just smiled politely, thanked him and gone about your business. Then, when you showed up to fight it, he probably would have been more than willing to cut you a break and get rid of a couple of them.

Now, get ready for him to testify that not only did you violate several traffic laws, you were also a complete d!ck about it. I doubt the judge is going to care that you emailed him after the fact to apologize.

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toooldtocare (Dec 21, 2017 - 11:13 am)

Sounds like you haven't been to traffic court, which is good.
That said, every jd handles cases like this differently. In my jd, it's the lowest level trial court, so there's an actual prosecutor in court. Go in, apologize to him/her, and see if they'll cut you a break; they usually will. You've been charged with several moving violations involving points, and points will cost on your auto insurance. If you've got a clean driving record, you might even be able to plead to a non-moving violation; if not, beg for the lowest point offense. Whatever you do, avoid the cop if he's there and go see the prosecutor directly. You don't want to try this case.
So go in and beg; it's the standard practice.

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jddidtie (Dec 21, 2017 - 11:27 am)

Take your medicine. Everything about your story makes you sound like a sh*thead...which is amazing since you’re the one telling it. Any sane society would have you flogged and executed for general uselessness. Even your retort to the cop was very corny and embarrassing. I can’t believe people like you actually exist. You essentially play the role of the idiot customer in movies that the main character flips off before quitting their job to chase their dreams.

I say you should not fight it. Also, I hope you die on Christmas.

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jd4hire (Dec 21, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

I immediately acknowledged what I did hwne he approached my car and said, "do you know why I pulled you over?" I also asked for some leniency given it is four days before Christmas. I was hopeful the cop would be somewhat nice and either (1) give me a warning; or (2) do the least amount of damage. I was extremely polite up to this point as I was hopeful he would give me a break. He nailed me as hard as he could and all three violations are based on the exact same action. When I questioned why three violations given they are extremely duplicative, he got very angry and then took joy in handing me the ticket and saying merry christmas. It was in a very condescending manner and was a proverbial eff you. It was at that point that I mouthed off. There was zero reason for him to be so rude, even if he wanted to give me all three tickets.

Glad you can make a determination on my existence based on this one event (described in three paragraphs). I wish you a Merry Christmas.

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jddidtie (Dec 24, 2017 - 2:06 pm)

Fool! You never outright “ask for leniency” from a cop unless you are a beautiful woman...and even then the guy might get insulted if he is devoted to his duty. You ask by coming across as a genuinely good dude or by being a poor, white single mother that starts crying (tears, but not whining) over more bills to pay so that the cop goes “you know what, you seem alright, just don’t do that next time, merry Christmas.” Even then, nothing is owed to you.

At no point did you think about the cop’s perspective. He saw you breaking the law to cut all these people, creating work for him, then you ask for him to let it all go by invoking Christmas like that means anything, AND then you ceased to be polite when you didn’t get what you wanted. It all just compounds your douchebagness.

You are completely oblivious to how your actions are perceived by others and concerned only with yourself. Your only shot at redemption is a bizarre chain of events that sees you lose your house and car and sets you on a soul-seeking adventure to find yourself and what it means to be human.

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lilgub (Dec 21, 2017 - 11:34 am)

In my jx, you could "fight" it, show up in court, skip the line because you're an esq. and just bargain down to 1 or 2 tickets instead of the full boat. Depending on how you value your time, you'd probably save 85-170 bucks for the trip. YMMV.

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jd4hire (Dec 21, 2017 - 1:52 pm)

This is my expected outcome. Attorneys get to skip the line and I'm hopeful to have the judge get rid of 2 of the 3 violations.

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dogdaypm (Dec 21, 2017 - 12:33 pm)

I'd be more worried about racking up so many points (assuming your jurisdiction does that) than paying the fine.

Many places let you essentially no-plead, pay the fines plus a processing fee, then as long as you don't get additional moving violations in X months (I've seen 1 month to 6 months), they wipe the slate clean. Basically a court supervision program for moving violations.

Might be useful if you can't beg it down to something smaller as others have suggested.

One other note, I've gone to court probably 4 times to argue moving violations and one nice little trick almost got me. I went in and there were only 3 cops in court, and mine wasn't there. They asked who wants to argue vs. who wants to do the supervision thing. I had actually gone there to apply for the supervision because I did not have a good argument for this one.

But when I noted the absence of my cop, almost got into the other line to argue. But for some reason figured I'd play it straight and stayed in the supervision request line. After we were all queued up in our appropriate lines some functionary opened a side door and about 15 more cops strolled in, my guy among them.

Some of the guys in the "argue" line tried to move over to the supervision line but they said nope, gotta stay where you are.

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isthisit (Dec 21, 2017 - 2:04 pm)

Sounds like you earned your tickets.

In Jersey you'd approached the municipal prosecutor and ask him to make a deal. You'd probably get an unsafe driving for no points for one, and the MP may dismiss a ticket but you'd definitely have to eat some points.

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dingbat (Dec 21, 2017 - 5:30 pm)

just cut a deal

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tcpaul (Dec 22, 2017 - 11:43 am)

OP - you're a d bag and an idiot. You deserve to get hammered but will probably get off lightly. I do hope you fight it, the officer shows up, and that all of your atrocious behavior gets put on record. By emailing the cop you only confirmed your ugly behavior, probably admitted to the violations, and arguably tried to tamper with the witness. Contacting a cop before a court date when he is the only witness against you is just plain stupid.

I don't wish you death like others have but I do think this world would be a better place without you.

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dogdaypm (Dec 22, 2017 - 12:39 pm)

Aaaaand... Welcome back to this week's edition of Strong Opinion Friday!

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defensivelawyer (Dec 24, 2017 - 12:14 pm)

are there actual lawyers still here?

of COURSE u try to get the best possible result, regardless of whether OP is a crap driver.

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bucwild (Dec 24, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

An actual lawyer should have better uses of his/her time than fighting this nonsense. All to save what $100, maybe?

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toooldtocare (Dec 24, 2017 - 3:49 pm)

If he gets all the possible points, his insurance rates go up for at least three years. Trying-ok, begging-to plead to a non-moving violation(which may be possible since OP says it's been 7 years since his last visit to traffic court)-is well worth his time.

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jd4hire (Jan 30, 2018 - 10:31 am)

Wanted to provide an update...all dismissed.

And in reviewing this thread, there are some really opinionated people on here willing to go from 0 to 60 in a flash. I do think I really did a poor job relaying the events and how they unfolded. Regardless, was it stupid on my part, yes.

Nonetheless, I'm amazed the number of individuals who thought the world would be a better place without me, hoped I'd lose my house and car and cause me to go on a should seeking adventure, or are just a d bag. Did cause me to reflect on what transpired and I'll learn from it in the future.

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