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My current worst client

The guy I represent is desperate to win back the companionsh cacrimdefense12/21/17
That’s cu**old behavior. joshdoctson12/21/17
Agreed. It's beyond pathetic. I don't want to represent this cacrimdefense12/21/17
I feel like I've seen this posted before lolwutjobs12/21/17
You saw an earlier, less progressed version of this story a cacrimdefense12/21/17
Good Lord. Yes, I remember you posting about him earlier - i wolfman12/21/17
Eh it happens. I had a former client who was a multi-million cocolawyer12/21/17
I think your second story is the most convincing argument fo brassica712/21/17
what are the ethics rules on the 2nd case? I don't think dietcoke12/21/17
Well technically I didn't "know" he did it. For the window s cocolawyer12/21/17
I'd rather stay single than deal with these type of relation dietcoke12/21/17
Not to be a killjoy, but it might not be ethical to post so cranky12/21/17
Some of the facts were changed to stay within the rules. The cocolawyer12/21/17
Is there a gay option on wealthymen.com (or the equivalent w junkwired12/22/17
Your headline is "My current worst client" that suggests tha nighthawk12/22/17
A. Oh, absolutely I've had worse. This guy doesn't crack th cacrimdefense12/22/17
As a side note... Would her being more attractive justify th triplesix12/22/17
Although being more attractive would not morally or ethicall junkwired12/22/17
That's a shallow understanding of human nature. I am sure br triplesix12/22/17
I agree that it's shallow. Moreover, I don't think that one' junkwired12/22/17
My lame ex clients ex had model good looks so at least it wa cocolawyer12/22/17
No, but it would make it more understandable. This guy i cacrimdefense12/23/17
Random question: is the client white? I've seen a lot of wh ttttescapee12/22/17
Asians (barf). I remember in my old fraternity days I was ge cocolawyer12/22/17
Humble bragging here? cranky12/23/17
Nope. Not a white guy. cacrimdefense12/23/17
inherited money? such a loser obviously did not earn it hims whiteguyinchina12/28/17
Obviously. The client has now checked himself out of depr cacrimdefense12/28/17
Charge him your hourly rate for all the phone calls, and all blakesq12/29/17

cacrimdefense (Dec 21, 2017 - 4:17 pm)

The guy I represent is desperate to win back the companionship and affection of the mother of his children (an aggressively plain Asian girl in her mid 30's). A few months ago, when he was growing fed up w/ her and indicated the relationship was over, she reported him to the police as a serial abuser (dv). My client insists this is not true, and there are no trips to the doctor/hospital, witness accounts, photographs of bruises or other evid. to substantiate her claim of double digit episodes of my guy swatting her around.

Did I mention they're unmarried and he's worth a few million?

Since retaining my services, he has spent much of his time ignoring my repeated warnings about violating the restraining order against him. He responds to her texts and talks to her for extended periods of time when all they're supposed to be doing is exchanging the kids (visitation). He endlessly begs her to come back, and she insists he plead guilty to the crim. charges he's facing.

Yesterday I received a call at the office. It is my terribly depressed sounding client advising me has checked himself into a hospital. He says he will be there for the next two weeks to receive treatment for depression. He further instructs me he now wants to plead guilty to the charges he's facing. When I ask him about his change of heart ( he was anxious to go to trial), he replies that he doesn't want to continue to live if his GF doesn't come back home.

After having a brief discussion about all the things I can't force him to do, and that I have no intention of telling the court he
may be incompetent to assist me in his defense (b/c he is competent), he asks me if I can please call the prosecutor and let him know we'll be entering guilty pleas at the next hearing. When I advise my guy that I'm going to visit him this weekend before we do anything, he grows concerned. The reason: He figures the first thing the DDA will do is call the alleged victim and notify her of this development. She will see my client has confessed to these crimes (which did not occur), and that he values her, and she will run back into his arms.

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joshdoctson (Dec 21, 2017 - 4:49 pm)

That’s cu**old behavior.

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cacrimdefense (Dec 21, 2017 - 4:59 pm)

Agreed. It's beyond pathetic. I don't want to represent this guy anymore. I want knock some sense into his skull.

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lolwutjobs (Dec 21, 2017 - 4:57 pm)

I feel like I've seen this posted before

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cacrimdefense (Dec 21, 2017 - 5:01 pm)

You saw an earlier, less progressed version of this story a few weeks ago.

Admittedly, I'm becoming the whiner here. I want to kill this defendant.

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wolfman (Dec 21, 2017 - 5:09 pm)

Good Lord. Yes, I remember you posting about him earlier - it's gotten worse. What's wrong with people? The gf reported him to the cops? I am trying to figure out under what circumstances I would speak again to a person who did something like that to me... maybe if I did hit her (which I've never done) AND we were married and had a pack of kids AND she withdrew the complaint and apologized and I was convinced she was crazy at the time... still hard to fathom. Never say never???

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cocolawyer (Dec 21, 2017 - 5:41 pm)

Eh it happens. I had a former client who was a multi-millionaire and met his wife on wealthymen.com...yeah you can imagine the sweetheart she was. He was a great guy, that made a couple mistakes but Christ nothing in the realm of DV. In fact she would beat him often. Doctors logs, photos, video's...you had the orgy of evidence. At all times he simply wanted what was best for her.

This chick would call him the worst names ever. I saw some of the text messages. She would be pissed if her bank account for her bizzilion expenses was not full. Yet he didn't want to argue support, continued to pay her car, was continuing to do supervised visits because shocker she filed first. Psychological evaluation pointed to the worst parental alienation by mother the evaluator had ever seen. He still wanted to be with her.

I had another former client that beat the crap out of his girlfriend and I convinced her to drop the DV and grant an equitable timeshare with the kid. They got back together. He got drunk and threw her out of a two story window, she was hospitalized for 3 days. I convinced her to refuse to testify in the criminal case, and drop her civil DVRO. A month later they got back together. The client contacted me a few months later from jail as he was arrested for forcibly sodomizing the woman, who was in the hospital with stitches...not in the face. I am fairly confident I could of convinced her to not go forward. I subbed off his case at that point.

I guess the point is people are pretty stupid when they are in love.

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brassica7 (Dec 21, 2017 - 6:01 pm)

I think your second story is the most convincing argument for not going to law school that I have ever heard. No one imagines that they will be convincing a battered woman not to file charges against their monster of a client when they sit down to take the LSAT. I'm glad you were able to get out of that representation.

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dietcoke (Dec 21, 2017 - 6:03 pm)

what are the ethics rules on the 2nd case?

I don't think I could continue on that one.

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cocolawyer (Dec 21, 2017 - 10:25 pm)

Well technically I didn't "know" he did it. For the window she jumped out according to him. The stitches well she liked rough anal.He was a liar. Its not an ethical violation. If he told me that he did everything and then took the stand with a bs story and I asked him questions on that bs story...that would be an ethical violation. If he told me in advance that he was going to rape the girl and i just stood there and ate a sandwitch...that would be an ethical violation. He was never going to take the stand and he would never tell me the truth. One of the few DV cases that there was actual dv.

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dietcoke (Dec 21, 2017 - 5:55 pm)

I'd rather stay single than deal with these type of relationships.

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cranky (Dec 21, 2017 - 10:35 pm)

Not to be a killjoy, but it might not be ethical to post so many details about a current (or even former) client on a website accessible to anyone. If I were a legal client or patient, I'd be upset or outraged to find out my attorney or dr. were disseminating my personal information online. I have had plenty of crazy, bipolar, unreasonable, lying, and/or difficult clients but would only post general info, so it's unlikely anyone could identify the person.

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cocolawyer (Dec 21, 2017 - 10:39 pm)

Some of the facts were changed to stay within the rules. The website was different for instance. I am well within the ethical standards. The facts that are true are a part of the punlic record, not privleged information.

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junkwired (Dec 22, 2017 - 10:00 am)

Is there a gay option on wealthymen.com (or the equivalent website)? Asking for a friend who has student loans and stuff.

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nighthawk (Dec 22, 2017 - 10:11 am)

Your headline is "My current worst client" that suggests that, in the past, you had others who were worse. In family law, clients in general are difficult. It is rare to find the good client, at least what I hear from those who practice this stuff.

Also, what do you mean that she is "aggressively plain"? Are you saying that she is not at all good looking so you don't get why your client is dealing with her stuff?

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cacrimdefense (Dec 22, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

A. Oh, absolutely I've had worse. This guy doesn't crack the Top 10. He's just pissing me off w/ his spinelessness.

B. Yes, that is what I am saying.

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triplesix (Dec 22, 2017 - 2:24 pm)

As a side note... Would her being more attractive justify this fiasco anymore?

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junkwired (Dec 22, 2017 - 2:37 pm)

Although being more attractive would not morally or ethically justify the fiasco, it would make understanding the guy's obsession with his emotionally abusive ex easier. At the very least, his poor decision-making could be explained as controlled by a biologically driven thirst for more sex.

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triplesix (Dec 22, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

That's a shallow understanding of human nature. I am sure bro can get sex else where.

In fact, this comment is a bit sexist... Would you say that a battered woman stays around her scumbag just for sex?

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junkwired (Dec 22, 2017 - 2:57 pm)

I agree that it's shallow. Moreover, I don't think that one's level of attractiveness plays a part in justifying abhorrent behavior. However, if one asserts that physical attractiveness could justify bad behavior - which is a bad premise - I think the rationale I offered is the best* way to feasibly justify the man's actions.

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cocolawyer (Dec 22, 2017 - 4:02 pm)

My lame ex clients ex had model good looks so at least it was understandable....well somewhat.

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cacrimdefense (Dec 23, 2017 - 2:12 pm)

No, but it would make it more understandable.

This guy is playing his hand poorly. To his disadvantage, and to the disadvantage of the children he has with her.

I'm a firm believer that women have a market value in any given society. In ours, this guy's GF's is not high. A body that's weathered two pregnancies, and she was nothing special to begin with. 40 is not too far away for this maker of trouble. Further, her credit score is weak, she burns through money pretty quickly. More than she earns w/ her own income, apparently.

The point: There is not a line of guys waiting to snap the woman up, if she permanently ends it w/ my client. My client is too panicky (and all this is aside from an evaluation of the merits of keeping someone who lied about you to law enforcement). She's not going anywhere. And b/c of his money, he is in a position to litigate the sh-- out of the custody case she's thrown at him, whereas she is not.

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ttttescapee (Dec 22, 2017 - 1:55 pm)

Random question: is the client white? I've seen a lot of white guys have fetishes for 5/10 asians.

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cocolawyer (Dec 22, 2017 - 4:04 pm)

Asians (barf). I remember in my old fraternity days I was getting a hummer from an asian. It was a long night so I got what I could get. After 20 minutes of getting a bj, she was getting lock jaw and I was going soft. Moral of this story is that Asian's are ugly. Give me a latina or black girl any day of the week.

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cranky (Dec 23, 2017 - 4:47 pm)

Humble bragging here?

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cacrimdefense (Dec 23, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

Nope. Not a white guy.

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whiteguyinchina (Dec 28, 2017 - 12:01 am)

inherited money? such a loser obviously did not earn it himself.

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cacrimdefense (Dec 28, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

Obviously.

The client has now checked himself out of depression recovery. Essentially, he tried to gain his GF's sympathy and/or make a martyr of himself. When it didn't work (she advised him, during a lengthy conversation, that she will not be coming back to him) he gave up on that particular effort to win her back.

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blakesq (Dec 29, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

Charge him your hourly rate for all the phone calls, and all the time you spend on his case. He could be your BEST client.

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