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Why don’t they allow remote doc review?

Think of the cost savings. Is it about making doc reviewers notreallyalawyer12/26/17
They need to justify the rates they are billing you out for. thirdtierlaw12/26/17
Well, they are trying it in parts of the country. What cond toooldtocare12/26/17
It’s not the no materials at home thing? notreallyalawyer12/26/17
Will bar associations really allow India to take away half o notreallyalawyer12/26/17
Agreed, the work could be done cheaper in India Probably fa trijocker12/26/17
Doc review is dull, but it's not humiliating. Drive a city b phillydoucherocket12/27/17
Do they get timed going to the bathroom ? notreallyalawyer12/27/17
They want to make doc reviewers feel like they are lawyers s nighthawk12/26/17
I'm on a remote doc review right now.....yeeeehawwwww! jacob12/26/17
I bet it pays below market rate. The handful of stuff I've s notreallyalawyer12/26/17
Yes, but at least you don't have commuting costs, can do the caj11112/27/17
I suspect it's fundamentally a trust issue. Think about it. onehell12/27/17
I got out of doc review, but I still get remote offers all o joecoder12/27/17
From which agencies? nyclawyer12/27/17
ReviewRight, Cadence Counsel, and BIA were all within the pa joecoder12/27/17
The remote reviews I have seen have tended to pay a lot less tedandlisa12312/28/17
I haven't seen a posse listing in NYC for remote in at least zodd12/28/17
notreallyalawyer (Dec 26, 2017 - 3:13 pm)

Think of the cost savings. Is it about making doc reviewers as miserable as possible? You know the commute, the horrible bathroom conditions etc? This is just part of the humiliation that doc review is?

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thirdtierlaw (Dec 26, 2017 - 3:23 pm)

They need to justify the rates they are billing you out for. The second they start routinely allowing remote doc review the quicker the work will be outsourced.

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toooldtocare (Dec 26, 2017 - 3:30 pm)

Well, they are trying it in parts of the country. What condition the bathroom is in will be up to you.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 26, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

It’s not the no materials at home thing?

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 26, 2017 - 3:32 pm)

Will bar associations really allow India to take away half of Lawyer jobs? I’d stop paying my bar dues and many others too

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trijocker (Dec 26, 2017 - 4:24 pm)

Agreed, the work could be done cheaper in India
Probably faster too if you did not have to worry about labor laws, rates of pay, and had round the clock teams.

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phillydoucherocket (Dec 27, 2017 - 8:41 am)

Doc review is dull, but it's not humiliating. Drive a city bus or work at a Verizon store if you want real humiliation.

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 27, 2017 - 8:46 am)

Do they get timed going to the bathroom ?

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nighthawk (Dec 26, 2017 - 4:23 pm)

They want to make doc reviewers feel like they are lawyers so they have to actually show up to work. Also, they want to have the review at some swanky address so they can bill the client more.

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jacob (Dec 26, 2017 - 5:32 pm)

I'm on a remote doc review right now.....yeeeehawwwww!

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notreallyalawyer (Dec 26, 2017 - 7:08 pm)

I bet it pays below market rate. The handful of stuff I've seen for remote has paid less than the standard $30.

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caj111 (Dec 27, 2017 - 7:40 am)

Yes, but at least you don't have commuting costs, can do the work in your pajamas and can fix your lunch at home.

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onehell (Dec 27, 2017 - 11:26 am)

I suspect it's fundamentally a trust issue. Think about it. While the doc reviewer may be of near-zero importance, any case big enough to merit a basement full of doc reviewers must be, on the whole, a very big and important case and the companies involved are massive, with plenty of public interest in their inner workings. You, meanwhile, are scanning through piles of documents produced or potentially propounded in discovery which would otherwise be confidential. And the person doing the reviewing has to be told enough about the case to be able to tell what's responsive and what's not, what a hot doc might be, etc. Some might be privileged. There could be a protective order in place. Some might be protected health information. Some might be proprietary or a trade secret. Some will be private emails that could be irrelevant to the case but embarrassing to the company or the person sending/receiving them. For example, I've definitely heard stories of reviewers coming across emails from some executive to his mistress. People let their guard down on email. Much like they do with texting, they forget they are creating a semipermanent record.

And while rare, it is always possible you could come across an actual real "hot doc." Would you trust a temp with that information in an environment you can't control? Nothing you could do could prevent them from taking out a cell phone, snapping a screenshot, and sending it to the wall street journal. Or for that matter, they could be clicking away on some beach somewhere out in wide public view. But safely ensconced in the doc review basement, you can confiscate cell phones, watch them closely, lock down the internet, monitor how frequently they go to the bathroom, etc.

A real associate has no reason to engage in sabotage or espionage and lots of reasons not to be careless with client information, the biglaw money is way too good to throw away over something so stupid. But someone who goes in knowing they're going to get canned as soon as they run out of docs? That person has nothing to lose except a license he is barely using and the prospect of more dead-end review gigs. You cannot trust someone who has so little to lose and who you know is probably pretty disgruntled with his or her lot in life.

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joecoder (Dec 27, 2017 - 5:15 pm)

I got out of doc review, but I still get remote offers all of the time.

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nyclawyer (Dec 27, 2017 - 8:39 pm)

From which agencies?

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joecoder (Dec 27, 2017 - 9:07 pm)

ReviewRight, Cadence Counsel, and BIA were all within the past two or three weeks.

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tedandlisa123 (Dec 28, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

The remote reviews I have seen have tended to pay a lot less. Not only is the rate less, but they try to 1099 you and after self employment, you are making about 10 an hour less per hour. Plus, you aren’t eligible for unemployment in a lot of places. As bad as some of these review centers are, I’d rather sweat it out in some review place if I wanted quick money. It’s almost impossible for a physical on-site review to classify as you an independent contractor.

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zodd (Dec 28, 2017 - 12:32 pm)

I haven't seen a posse listing in NYC for remote in at least half a year. Never saw one on Craigslist and never have been called or emailed about one.

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