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Nando (Third Tier Reality) Closes Shop

After eight years, Nando profiled every single ABA accredite 6figuremistake12/28/17
Nando is a true soldier. He may be insane, but he has my res 3lol12/28/17
Sorry to see him go. turde12/28/17
Some people would struggle in any career, with possible exce karlmarx12/28/17
Why u mad bro? triplesix12/28/17
Super counterproductive karlmarx12/28/17
Doc review? isthisit12/28/17
Take care, Nando. You were on a mission to uncover the "scam nighthawk12/28/17
Stay in your lane loser, go back to talking down to doc revi triplesix12/28/17
I think I recall nighthawk saying he was in his 30s at some 3lol12/28/17
Moving ahead with your career and exposing the law school sc 6figuremistake12/29/17
kudos aknas12/29/17
You make my point. Nando gets some low paying gig and instea nighthawk12/29/17
Fortunately, I can say I am not an attorney at all. A little 6figuremistake12/29/17
Given (1) the non-dischargeability in bankruptcy proceeding aknas12/29/17
"it also fuel the pathetic state of many lawyers, which may triplesix12/29/17
Thank you for your service Nando. I enjoyed reading this isthisit12/28/17
Thank you Nando for all your hard work and all those hours s cranky12/28/17
Many thanks to Nando, for trying to actually present some cl toooldtocare12/28/17
He was a good soldier. unlearnedhand12/29/17
A worthy campaign, but lessened by its exaggerations, crude themapmaster12/29/17
No question the use of vulgarity was common, but he did hold toooldtocare12/29/17
The man was a real hero. When he started the blog, many pow wearyattorney12/29/17
I wish I could have found your site before I dug myself into jdepressed12/29/17
Nando: I salute you. If you stopped even 1 person from e anothernjlawyer12/29/17
The law school scam is a terrible fraud, but nando always ca trickydick12/30/17
While his methods may at times have been irregular, I've got toooldtocare12/30/17
Irregular? HAH, I say. There was a turde in every episode. wutwutwut12/30/17
The law school scam movement - as a whole - has always had f notiers01/01/18
About time he stopped the scamblogging! He's been at it for subprimejd01/01/18
I think your example illustrates why the scamblog movement w wearyattorney01/01/18
I don't agree with anyone who is knocking Nando. His mechan roadkingrider01/01/18
TITCR. Also, as stated above, even for those who “continue wearyattorney01/01/18
How did he get the construction inspector job? Did he have p nighthawk01/02/18
Thank you Nando. You fought the good fight. jackofspeed01/02/18

6figuremistake (Dec 28, 2017 - 9:37 am)

After eight years, Nando profiled every single ABA accredited law school, and it looks like now that he has accomplished that feat, he's calling it quits. Sure, he probably didn't need to use so many pictures of fecal waste, but I don't think any other scam blogger had the longevity he did. Too bad the scam outlived his blog, but at least it's a weaker force because of it (and his other compatriots).

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2017/12/thank-you-and-take-care.html

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3lol (Dec 28, 2017 - 12:40 pm)

Nando is a true soldier. He may be insane, but he has my respect.

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turde (Dec 28, 2017 - 3:10 pm)

Sorry to see him go.

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karlmarx (Dec 28, 2017 - 3:21 pm)

Some people would struggle in any career, with possible exceptions for ones that involve no interactions with humans

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triplesix (Dec 28, 2017 - 3:39 pm)

Why u mad bro?

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karlmarx (Dec 28, 2017 - 3:55 pm)

Super counterproductive

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isthisit (Dec 28, 2017 - 4:10 pm)

Doc review?

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nighthawk (Dec 28, 2017 - 3:50 pm)

Take care, Nando. You were on a mission to uncover the "scam" and did a good job. However, all you did was bring heat. You had a mantra about don't go to law school unless you get a free ride at HYS. I didn't get a free ride and did not go to HYS and don't regret going to LS. It was difficult when I graduated in 2010 but, unlike you who just likes blowing smoke, I did something about it. Sitting on your couch spewing venom is not that hard; being a man and making lemons into lemonade is hard. You can probably benefit from a good therapist and learn how to channel your anger into something positive. Your fuel is bitterness toward LS, which, together with $2.50, can buy you a slice of pizza. Goodbye, your student loans are waiting.

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triplesix (Dec 28, 2017 - 4:05 pm)

Stay in your lane loser, go back to talking down to doc review monkeys. nando god a plush gov job if I remember correctly.

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3lol (Dec 28, 2017 - 5:22 pm)

I think I recall nighthawk saying he was in his 30s at some point. He must be the youngest boomer on earth.

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6figuremistake (Dec 29, 2017 - 8:25 am)

Moving ahead with your career and exposing the law school scam are not mutually exclusive.

I'm glad you've found success. This does not change the fact that the law schools 1) Know full well that many if not most of their students end up with undesirable results - doc review, low paying small law, or employment in roles that don't require a JD 2) Despite this knowledge, they offer distorted reports of the outcomes their graduates experience 3) Leave most or many of their students with life changing amounts of debt.

Nando (and others) helped bring these facts to light and many prospective students have wisely avoided placing themselves in such a precarious situation. Could he have made his point in a more refined manner? Sure, but that does not mean his underlying message was untrue.

Even your last line validates his point: "Goodbye, your student loans are waiting." Right, and why are they waiting? Because Nando and many others made the sad mistake of assuming such debt to pursue a career that doesn't begin to warrant the level of borrowing it requires.

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aknas (Dec 29, 2017 - 9:09 am)

kudos

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nighthawk (Dec 29, 2017 - 9:55 am)

You make my point. Nando gets some low paying gig and instead of doing something productive about his situation, he channels that energy into his website, which does not pay his student loans. I wrote in the beginning that he did a good job of uncovering the scam; I also made the point that he wallowed in his misery instead of being proactive.

I hope that you are not a criminal defense lawyer. Arguing that your client should not be guilty of murder because he wasn't hugged enough as a kid is not a defense. Many of us are not given what we should have been given. We fell for the scam that is law school. We were dealt a difficult hand. Perhaps providing information about the realities of the legal profession is to be admired. The lack of resilience of Nando and his ilk is not to be admired. It also fuels the victim mentality so prevalent in this profession. Like I said, provides information about the reality of the legal profession; it also fuel the pathetic state of many lawyers, which may include you.

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6figuremistake (Dec 29, 2017 - 10:10 am)

Fortunately, I can say I am not an attorney at all. A little less than a decade later, I have a good salary and little debt. If your point is that those who have been scammed should shake themselves off and forge ahead, I agree. I, however, commend those who have invested the effort into helping other avoid being scammed and I believe the scamsters should also be held accountable for their educational pilfering.

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aknas (Dec 29, 2017 - 10:16 am)

Given (1) the non-dischargeability in bankruptcy proceedings of law school loans, and given (2) the extensive background investigation of your resume, education, EQIP, etc. of any career-like job, and given (2) the continual over-supply of lawyers to the weak demand of potential employers or clients, Nando perfectly set forth the Catch-22 environment of a law school graduate.

E.g., how can you get a fresh start without illegally assuming a new legal identity with a new SSN?

Nando fulfilled a moral obligation that many lawyers for lucre can only dream of.

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triplesix (Dec 29, 2017 - 11:59 am)

"it also fuel the pathetic state of many lawyers, which may include you."

Says a guy who spends his time talking down to less fortunate lawyers on an anonymous internet board.

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isthisit (Dec 28, 2017 - 4:37 pm)

Thank you for your service Nando.

I enjoyed reading this: http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2012/03/turd-by-any-other-name-would-smell-just.html?m=1 back when I was at RUC.

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cranky (Dec 28, 2017 - 8:31 pm)

Thank you Nando for all your hard work and all those hours spent reviewing and compiling data, quotes, etc. I assume the blog will stay up but will not be updated. Best wishes.

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toooldtocare (Dec 28, 2017 - 11:39 pm)

Many thanks to Nando, for trying to actually present some clarifying facts to counteract the fog of deceit pumped out by the scammers. His efforts challenged the dishonest, helped many a prospective victim, and called the entire skewed system to account. He'll be missed; thanks again.

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unlearnedhand (Dec 29, 2017 - 3:39 am)

He was a good soldier.

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themapmaster (Dec 29, 2017 - 9:48 am)

A worthy campaign, but lessened by its exaggerations, crude language and images, lack of crediting success stories, and lack of assigning proper responsibility to students themselves.

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toooldtocare (Dec 29, 2017 - 10:28 am)

No question the use of vulgarity was common, but he did hold the students responsible-unless you consider being called a "lemming" a compliment.
And it's important to remember that there was a time when law schools published employment and income information that was false-not just adjusted, or embellished, or "puffed"-the information was false and clearly issued in order to entice prospective students to enroll.
Why are the schools required to file a 509 annually? It's because of the out and out lying. Note that no other graduate professional school is required by its accreditation body to publish such school specific statistics. The law schools aren't publishing these statistics to be open and transparent-they're doing it because it's required. And the schools are constantly trying to make the forms less transparent(how about all those ls funded jobs listed under full time JD required employment?).
Americans have short memories, and the number of applications to law school is increasing again. With Nando's departure, it's pretty clear the scamblog movement has lost its steam. This is understandable, as it was just a bunch of people at computers, totally self-funded, against one of the more powerful, and well-funded, business cartels in existence.
Nando will be missed.

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wearyattorney (Dec 29, 2017 - 10:21 am)

The man was a real hero. When he started the blog, many power brokers from the law school industrial complex went after him hard. They knew that since the trust fund brigade and sociopaths that run the legal profession have egos the size of red dwarf stars, crticism of the profession, especially at that time, brought your odds of getting a decent legal job from infinitesimal to practically zero. Nevertheless, he kept fighting.

Two of my friends from law school committed suicide, and these were people who could have made meaningful contributions to society. They were broken by a lie.

I am really, really sad Nando is leaving. I wish him the best and Godspeed. I hope men like him run for office, the country would be a better place.

I found this comment on his site, and it doesn’t merely reveal the magnitude of Nando’s contribution, but it shows the quality of individuals we were losing (and might still be losing) to the scam, eg decorated military veteran who is now a doctor. Thousands of people like this were saved from at best wasting their time and society’s money,(and at worst suffering a much worse fate), while channeling their efforts to something infinitely more productive.

“Nando,

I cannot exaggerate the impact you have had on my life. I have told my story before. I was scammed by my toilet law school in the early 2000s. I believed the fictitious stats. I graduated unemployed, with $150k in debt, in the mid 2000s.

One of the only true statements Trump made during the campaign was that the Iraq War was a disaster. The war was not going well in the mid 2000s. Army enlistments were way down so they granted waivers to felons. I didn’t support the war, but I felt an obligation to sign up. The Army was also offering bonuses and student loan repayment. So I enlisted, went through basic, volunteered for Airborne, and eventually went to Iraq. With the student loan repayment, bonus, and tax free salary while deployed to Iraq, I was able to pay off the student loan debt. I was not the only JD to follow that path. I met other JDs that enlisted as well.

I always held out hope that I would eventually get a legal job because of my service. Then I came across your blog around 2011. I quickly realized I had no future in law. The military does offer pensions after 20 years of service. But the Army was drawing down at that time. So I got out of the Army and went to med school. I know I am very fortunate to be in medicine now. Many friends have told me I made the right decision and I am very lucky.

Two days ago, I was seeing a new patient. I really do care about my patients. The patient took the time to tell me that I had really good bedside manner and thanked me for taking care of him. Many other patients have thanked me as well. It feels good to help people and make them feel better. I wouldn’t be where I am without Third Tier Reality. There are other scam blogs that have greatly contributed as well. But Third Tier Reality is the first scam blog that I came across and drove the point home that I needed to give up ever having a legal career. I also want to thank all of the commenters who were scammed or suffered the indignities of toilet law and told their story. All of you not only helped me, but you have saved countless people from going to law school. The message is out. I have met numerous people who opted for medicine or other careers over law.

I received a Bronze Star over in Iraq. If I ever met Nando, I would give it to him. I spent a year in the sand box and didn’t really accomplish much. We did more harm than good over there. But Nando helped save thousands of people from unemployment and financial hell. He endured years of vicious personal attacks for telling the truth. Go back to the posts about uber toilets like Cooley, and you can read the silly comments from the law school defenders attacking Nando. One Cooley student claimed he was going to graduate and make $150k doing court appointed work! Haven’t heard from that tool in years.

Thank you Nando. Best of luck to you and your family. I hope we still hear from you on OTLSC.”


God Bless you and yours Nando. You fought the good fight when very few had the courage to do so.

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jdepressed (Dec 29, 2017 - 3:35 pm)

I wish I could have found your site before I dug myself into a hole. But finding your site, when I truly started to realize i had been grifted, did give me a sort of comfort.
Whenever anyone tells me they want to be a lawyer or are thinking about law school, I give them your site and obviously ITLSS.

Nando, if wish I could buy you a beer. God's speed Nando, our day will come.

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anothernjlawyer (Dec 29, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

Nando:

I salute you. If you stopped even 1 person from enrolling at Cooley & Co. (and I bet it was more than that), you literally saved a life. I don't know where you are at now, but nobody can take that accomplishment, and it is a great accomplishment, away from you.

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trickydick (Dec 30, 2017 - 1:42 am)

The law school scam is a terrible fraud, but nando always came off as a bitter, hate filled burn out. His assurance that enrolling in law school would lead to ruin for anyone foolish enough to do it is not borne out by those lawyers who were able to forge successful careers for themselves. Hyperbole does more to harm the scam blog movement than a complete failure to warn.

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toooldtocare (Dec 30, 2017 - 11:53 am)

While his methods may at times have been irregular, I've got to disagree with TD. When you're dealing with Special Snowflakesw who are totally taken by the scammers' empty promises, bombast is necessary.

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wutwutwut (Dec 30, 2017 - 12:48 pm)

Irregular? HAH, I say. There was a turde in every episode.

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notiers (Jan 1, 2018 - 10:29 am)

The law school scam movement - as a whole - has always had flamboyant characters screaming about the end of the world. It’s kind of like when you mediate and your opponent is asking for 10 million to settle a case worth 2 million. Your first bid should be equally absurd - $2000 - why? Until the other side acts responsibly- there is no reason for you to act responsibly either. On the one hand the law schools - especially in the 2005 to 2010 time frame were just blatantly lying. Sometimes, in response to that - you have to take an equally outlandish position to get attention.

I’ve warned anyone that ever asks about the perils of law school and I have said time and time again that some people will do well and some won’t. And sometimes, luck factors into it more than anyone would like to admit. That said, I’ve pushed forward to make a career for myself - I don’t need to fail to prove the law school scam and neither do any of the scam bloggers.

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subprimejd (Jan 1, 2018 - 11:58 am)

About time he stopped the scamblogging!
He's been at it for many many years
I scam blogged for a few months, got referenced in a NYT article!
Then I got over it, got a job, and went on with my life
I actually dissuaded a young man from going to law school
He dropped out of GW, and went into the trades
He makes like $55 per hour as an inspector doing construction work
The guy easily makes 3k per week
Boy is he glad he dropped out of LS

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wearyattorney (Jan 1, 2018 - 12:50 pm)

I think your example illustrates why the scamblog movement was and is so important. A person that can get into GW law school is a type of person that has other options. Even if this kid “made it” in law school, he or she is still better off than a full debt carrying 3-5 year big law wash out.

The problem is that the scam blog movement never matured beyond its initial inception. The situation from 2005-2012 was so ridiculous and absurd, that even a minor improvement makes it seem like discussing the subject isn’t worth it anymore.

The point the movement was making years ago is that law school would probably destroy most people’s lives (those who aren’t born into money). It’s still true that 25-35 percent of lower class kids attending law school are going to have their lives ruined. However, and this is the more important point at this stage, most,eg 90 percent, people who attend law school, on an apples to apples comparison, are going to be in a much worse position than had they not attended at all.

Nando was onto this point at the end, especially if you look at current tuition numbers. A kid who can get into Harvard law can go into investment banking or high end social work. A kid that can get into GW can become a construction inspector. A kid who can get into a reasonable third tier law school can become a cop or fireman, etc.

At this point in time, law school is only going to improve the lives of two kinds of people: 1) rich kids that want the prestige and 2) people that want to be law school professors.

If you owe 100-150k graduating GW, with 3 years foregone income, are you better off than the construction inspector even if you get big law? The answer is no.

It’s a shame we are losing voice after voice in the movement. Nando’s loss is going to be felt the most.

As an aside, trying to make lemonade out of lemons doesn’t preclude fighting the scam. Nando is employed. He didn’t just give up and live in his parents’ basement. He kept fighting because it was the right thing to do. He kept fighting because law school is a complete joke for the vast vast majority of people who attend it, even if your life isn’t permaruined, law school is going to set you back from where you could have been big time.

I’m really sad the guy’s going, especially as the law schools are starting To pull all stops to keep the gravy going, eg lower bar exam scores, making the bar exam easier, allowing people to attend with the GRE or no entrance exam at all. We lost our best warrior when we needed him most.

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roadkingrider (Jan 1, 2018 - 4:14 pm)

I don't agree with anyone who is knocking Nando. His mechanism was a little off putting for some. At least he may have opened the eyes of many
potential law students about the many perils this profession has. You still have close to 25,000 students who go to law school that will never practice law. Just because some of you have made it or continued to persevere in your careers does not mean that potential students should not get all advice, good or bad, about law school. I'm especially concerned about the scammers lowering standards for admission, just what the profession needs borderline low IQ lawyers representing people. Guys like Campos, Nando should be thanked not ridiculed.

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wearyattorney (Jan 1, 2018 - 4:36 pm)

TITCR. Also, as stated above, even for those who “continue to preservere,” how many are really better off because of law school? The guy making 55 an hour as a construction inspector is a prime example. If that guy went to law school and graduated with 200k in debt and a salary of 120k, law schools would put that in the win column. But, given that kid’s specific abilities and specific circumstances, it would have been a big loss. It’s just it wouldn’t have been total destruction.

We are at the point where the law school control the narrative as follows: if you go to law school and your life isn’t ruined, you got your money’s worth, and if you do have your life ruined, well your are part of a loser minority, eg a very small minority. Both points are dramatically wrong. The standard of law school being worth it is am I better off than had I not attended, as measured by money, leisure, job security, and fulfilling nature of the work; and the number of people completely obliterated is about a third every year. That’s insanse. It’s completry insane.

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nighthawk (Jan 2, 2018 - 11:36 am)

How did he get the construction inspector job? Did he have previous experience. Was he a PhD in oriental languages that was thinking about law school? Did his dad give him the job? Does he have construction ties that most do not have?

The issue is not whether the law school does well; the issue is whether you are doing well. What my LS thinks about my situation is irrelevant. My question is do I have a marketable skill? Is there upward mobility? Am I happy and excited to do my job? If the answer is yes then you are a success story, not the law school. IF the answer is no, what are you doing to change things? Blaming your law school? You graduated 15 years ago. Go take your life back.

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jackofspeed (Jan 2, 2018 - 10:37 am)

Thank you Nando. You fought the good fight.

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