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I see most comments say ONLY a LLM in tax has value. I am canadanybar01/04/18
Your post is curious for two reasons. First, you mention tha nighthawk01/05/18
There is no shortage in NJ. Your chances of finding a gi isthisit01/04/18
I think he said NYLS. I was in the tax llm program at NYU an notreallyalawyer01/04/18
JD from St John's/Hofstra/Cardozo. Went for the scholarship. canadanybar01/04/18
Only on the field you get it in and it will make you less li notreallyalawyer01/04/18
Ah OK. My reading comprehension is poor at 5 a.m. It'll h isthisit01/04/18
Thanks for the advice guys. Right, H1-B is too much grief canadanybar01/04/18
Dope! I overlooked the TN-1. I think Trump said he was g isthisit01/04/18
If you're doing it for your career, only a Georgetown Tax LL dingbat01/04/18
I actually knew a guy who left doc review got an llm not in notreallyalawyer01/04/18
and I knew a c-student from an unranked school who's now a p dingbat01/04/18
I work a job that requires llm in tax and there are many for triplesix01/04/18
If I had gotten mine from NYU, which I didn’t, as I withdr notreallyalawyer01/04/18
How did you blow that interview? I'm curious. isthisit01/04/18
Something something debilitating anxiety blah blah triplesix01/04/18
I bet you go to suicide forums and tell people to kill thems notreallyalawyer01/04/18
/dome triplesix01/04/18
Six interviews. Set NYU’s interview record. I suck. I have notreallyalawyer01/04/18
Never saw any foreign LLMs get a job here I did both a tax trijocker01/05/18
canadanybar (Jan 4, 2018 - 12:23 am)

I see most comments say ONLY a LLM in tax has value.

I am an NY law school grad & member of that bar since 2016. You are probably aware that normal foreign students get 30 or so days to get a job before legally vacating the country. I went back to my country and got a comfortably remunerated position at a medium-to-large multi-national.

While studying in the LLM, do I have a reasonable chance of finding jobs through personal connections etc.. in that jurisdiction? I'm considering good places with relative shortages of grads like NJ.

what do you all think?

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nighthawk (Jan 5, 2018 - 10:59 am)

Your post is curious for two reasons. First, you mention that NJ has a shortage of grads, which is completely false. NJ has a ridiculous surplus of law grads and is a highly competitive market. You will notice solo practioners fighting traffic tickets, debt collectors, real estate closings, PI, immigration, family law, and landlord tenant all over the place. There are buildings with 20 offices and 10 of those offices are law offices. Each law office will have 1 lawyer, maybe 2.

Second, you mention personal connections while studying for an LLM. Do you think connecting with other foreigners will create strong personal connections in the United States? In NJ? If you are referencing other students, why are you networking with them? They are in the same boat as you. You want to make connections with people who can help you, not with people who are looking for a job.

Having an LLM is better than not having an LLM. The question is how much better. For most LLMs, its advantage is negligible. A tax LLM is great and gives you a great advantage. However, such an advantage does not necessarily equal landing a great tax law gig.

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isthisit (Jan 4, 2018 - 5:15 am)

There is no shortage in NJ.

Your chances of finding a gig as a foreign J.D. are slim but not impossible. It really depends on your grades and the quality of your schools.

So you have an LLM from NYU. Where's your J.D. from and what are your GPAs from both programs?

Source: Me, NY/NJ barred attorney.

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notreallyalawyer (Jan 4, 2018 - 6:41 am)

I think he said NYLS. I was in the tax llm program at NYU and still couldn’t get a job to save my life

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canadanybar (Jan 4, 2018 - 8:47 am)

JD from St John's/Hofstra/Cardozo. Went for the scholarship....

Ok grades: Top 30%.

My question is whether a LLM would help me on my CV. It definitively helps for Visa purposes (OPT).

thanks guys.

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notreallyalawyer (Jan 4, 2018 - 9:07 am)

Only on the field you get it in and it will make you less likely to get work in any other area of law. Also If your gpa is lower than your JD gpa it will hurt you. Also only go to a top 5 law school otherwise you are totally wasting moneY

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isthisit (Jan 4, 2018 - 10:11 am)

Ah OK. My reading comprehension is poor at 5 a.m.

It'll hurt you financially and pigeon hole you in that area of law.

Also don't get a LLM from a worse school than your T2/3 and watch that GPA!

If you're doing it for Your F-1 than by all means go for it but start looking for another way to stay here if that's your aim.

Don't bother with an H-1B since no law firm is going to go through the expense/process of hiring a foreigner with US T2 legal credentials. But I could always be wrong.

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canadanybar (Jan 4, 2018 - 11:06 am)

Thanks for the advice guys.

Right, H1-B is too much grief. Currently we qualify for the TN Visa under NAFTA.

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isthisit (Jan 4, 2018 - 1:04 pm)

Dope! I overlooked the TN-1.

I think Trump said he was going to pull us out of NAFTA. But who knows what'll really happen with that.

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dingbat (Jan 4, 2018 - 11:20 am)

If you're doing it for your career, only a Georgetown Tax LLM or an NYU Tax LLM add real value.
Any other LLM may marginally help in that specific area of the law, but the benefits are minimal - you won't get a job you couldn't have gotten without the LLM

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notreallyalawyer (Jan 4, 2018 - 11:49 am)

I actually knew a guy who left doc review got an llm not in tax, got a job at the SEC but I don’t think he lasted long there.

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dingbat (Jan 4, 2018 - 12:51 pm)

and I knew a c-student from an unranked school who's now a partner in a biglaw firm making millions

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triplesix (Jan 4, 2018 - 12:52 pm)

I work a job that requires llm in tax and there are many foreigners here. I know only one on h1b, the rest married.

As others said, if it ain't nyu or gtown, it ain't worth the toilet paper it was printed on.

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notreallyalawyer (Jan 4, 2018 - 1:53 pm)

If I had gotten mine from NYU, which I didn’t, as I withdrew after my tax court interview disaster, it still would have been worthless for me plus pigeonholed me into an area where I couldn’t get any work

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isthisit (Jan 4, 2018 - 2:07 pm)

How did you blow that interview? I'm curious.

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triplesix (Jan 4, 2018 - 2:10 pm)

Something something debilitating anxiety blah blah

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notreallyalawyer (Jan 4, 2018 - 2:24 pm)

I bet you go to suicide forums and tell people to kill themselves, right? Do you get off on mocking my severe anxiety?

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triplesix (Jan 4, 2018 - 5:49 pm)

/dome

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notreallyalawyer (Jan 4, 2018 - 2:22 pm)

Six interviews. Set NYU’s interview record. I suck. I have the worst anxiety imaginable . That’s why I blew it.

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trijocker (Jan 5, 2018 - 8:49 am)

Never saw any foreign LLMs get a job here
I did both a tax LLM and hung out with the international LLMs.
It seemed like a great party time for them to enjoy life in America, party and put off going back to their home country for awhile. I think a few did try to take our bar exam, but the language barrier proved challenging. Most all went back to their home country, except a few who found someone to marry and get a green card off of in their time here.

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