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Florida bar class recommendations sought. Is themis ok?

I am taking the Florida bar in February. I live in Orlando. nycatt02/06/18
Themis is bomb. I used it when it was brand new. Passed fine specv31302/06/18
Thanks! nycatt02/06/18
Do you really need to take time off to take a third exam? Ju downwardslope02/06/18
Not sure. I don't want to fail because I want to get starte nycatt02/06/18
Oh, you think just buying the barbri books in enough? I am nycatt02/06/18
You are a practicing lawyer. Do you really need to pay someo downwardslope02/06/18
Funny thing - when I took the CA bar after practicing 5 year nycatt02/06/18
Sorry but what is your "Florida career" plan? Florida is mo trijocker02/06/18
I have worked in real estate litigation for ten years in New nycatt02/06/18
Real estate is always hot in Florida. Its not rocket scienc trijocker02/06/18
We came here because we had a kid and living in Manhattan wi nycatt02/06/18
That's a very interesting story Good luck to you all in Orl trijocker02/06/18
The schools can be okay if you can get your kid into a decen downwardslope02/06/18
We are waiting to buy a house until I get a job so I can mak nycatt02/06/18
did fine with Themis in California last July. There's fa dietcoke02/06/18
Cool. nycatt02/06/18
also might be worth noting the NY bar 10 years ago and Cal b dietcoke02/06/18
Thanks. Hoping it will be easy. CA bar was easy, but I onl nycatt02/06/18
nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 11:27 am)

I am taking the Florida bar in February. I live in Orlando. I already passed New York bar ten years ago and the California bar 5 years ago, and have been practicing the last ten years doing New York litigation. I am looking for course recommendations for the Florida bar. Is Themis ok? I was thinking about Themis 5 years ago when I did California bar but it was too new and untested then and I went with Barbri. I am probably ok at bars since i passed CA and NY both on first try, so i think I can handle an online course if it is good. I am extraordinarily lucky and can take time off from work (either full or part time) to do it.

Thanks

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specv313 (Feb 6, 2018 - 11:33 am)

Themis is bomb. I used it when it was brand new. Passed fine. You're totally good with Themis and it's like half the price of BarBri. If you're looking for flexibility in your study schedule and are disciplined enough to use an online platform to study, I'd recommend it

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 12:26 pm)

Thanks!

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downwardslope (Feb 6, 2018 - 11:35 am)

Do you really need to take time off to take a third exam? Just buy the books like most people do.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 12:27 pm)

Not sure. I don't want to fail because I want to get started on a Florida career. Currently working remote to my NY employer on an hourly basis. A nice situation, but I am ready for the next phase of my career.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 12:30 pm)

Oh, you think just buying the barbri books in enough? I am thinking a class room component (online or in person) will at least make it easier and less boring than just reading the books. I think listening to the material is a different and complimentary type of learning to reading the books and is a big help.

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downwardslope (Feb 6, 2018 - 12:40 pm)

You are a practicing lawyer. Do you really need to pay someone to teach you the MBE again?

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 2:42 pm)

Funny thing - when I took the CA bar after practicing 5 years I realized the questions they test you on are things that generally never come up in real life. It has nothing to do with reality. But, good point.

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trijocker (Feb 6, 2018 - 1:06 pm)

Sorry but what is your "Florida career" plan?
Florida is most glutted with attorneys, yet there's little work in Florida for lawyers. Corporate headquarters are lacking in Florida -- it's not like CA, NY or even Texas. Maybe you can get on at Office Depot in Boca Raton as a GC, but otherwise you must be targeting a DA or PI defense work.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 2:34 pm)

I have worked in real estate litigation for ten years in New York. I was at a very well known firm when i left New York last year and went back to a smaller firm (remotely) that does the same thing that can get a lot of mileage out of saying I used to work at the well known firm. Plus they know me very well and it works great for everyone. And I get a New York salary in Florida. But that isn't what I want to continue to do, I want to go in house for real estate or try a government job. My wife is an executive, so I am lucky to not have pressure to continue with a high salary job. My plan is to apply to jobs. I have some leads through friends, leads through my wife's connections, and my experience is solid. It is all about connections and knowing the practice area - or at least that is what it seems like. If I can't get a Fl job, not, I can continue to moonlight in NY law and develop my own Florida practice. It isn't rocket science.

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trijocker (Feb 6, 2018 - 3:16 pm)

Real estate is always hot in Florida.
Its not rocket science, but I am just warning you I have known many people who moved to Florida for the lifestyle, cheaper property etc and then ended up not being able to get any legal work.

Did you come to Florida specifically looking for work or because your spouse had a job, so you had a lily pad for awhile until you could find a legal role?

If you have some remote work coming in, hang on to it, until you get a definite paying job in FL.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 4:25 pm)

We came here because we had a kid and living in Manhattan with a child is a fortune. We were both working 12+ hours and never seeing our kid and spending more than 60k on child care each year. Both of our parents are an hour away from where we are in Florida and we moved to be near them and have an easier life and actually go on dates once in a while. And it is so much easier having here. My wife is a very early employee at a start up that has become very successful, and since she manages 6 offices around the country and has to travel often, they were ok with her working remotely. We got pretty lucky.

I know it can be hard to get a job in FL. I have read this website for more than ten years :) I am not letting go of the remote work any time soon.

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trijocker (Feb 6, 2018 - 5:54 pm)

That's a very interesting story
Good luck to you all in Orlando
It is a great area for families, although some areas can be crime ridden.
I'd like to see more tech come to Orlando other than the Church street area downtown or Lake Mary. My tip to you would be to get your child into a good private school. Florida schools are just terrible, if you want your child to get a good education and be able to go onto a good east coast college. If you are OK with FSU, UCF or UF then no worries. Too many children just staring into the swamps after school, even though Florida has a rigorous standardized testing program.It gets hot in the summer, hopefully you have a pool or you can get a beach house.

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downwardslope (Feb 6, 2018 - 6:16 pm)

The schools can be okay if you can get your kid into a decent school district. I think some around Orlando (not Orange County) are pretty good. Also, IB programs are fairly strong and kids out of them do well. For example, Stanton and Paxon in Jax are two of the best schools in the state and are IB schools.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 10:27 pm)

We are waiting to buy a house until I get a job so I can make sure I don't have a long commute, but if I am able to get a job in Orlando, we will continue to live in Winter Park, which has very good public schools. There are some houses that are amazing and way cheaper literally across the road in some cases, but we would have to drop a fortune for private school, so not worth it. My daughter is only 3, so no hurry to get in a good high school just yet :)

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dietcoke (Feb 6, 2018 - 11:51 am)

did fine with Themis in California last July.

There's far more material in Themis than any rational person could finish, so you'll never run out of stuff to do.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 12:29 pm)

Cool.

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dietcoke (Feb 6, 2018 - 12:48 pm)

also might be worth noting the NY bar 10 years ago and Cal bar 5 years ago are generally understood to be more difficult than the present Florida bar. (Although NY is now easier than Florida).

There is an additional MBE topic, but if you've been doing litigation I can't imagine civpro will trip you up too much.

In other words, this should be your easiest bar.

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nycatt (Feb 6, 2018 - 2:39 pm)

Thanks. Hoping it will be easy. CA bar was easy, but I only had to do essay portion, which is like the same 50 issues over and over again. I have to do MBE this time around, so kind of bumming on that.

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