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Super super confused about which bar to take

I live in Illinois and intent to practice law here. Although boredgirl102/14/18
BTW please no sarcasm in response to my posts. I get enough boredgirl102/14/18
Look at the long term, not the short term. Take the bar now, nighthawk02/14/18
This is the one time you need to know it's going to do more jeffm02/14/18
Thank you. I decided to take it in July after all. boredgirl102/19/18
I was in Illinois about a decade ago. The job market was bru khazaddum02/14/18
You can waive into Texas after 5 years. Getting a job in the downwardslope02/14/18
Anyone else remember that blogger in Chicago who got no-offe blackholelaw02/14/18
I meant what month to take. I do not plan on leaving Illinoi boredgirl102/19/18
I have no expenses for housing. Live with my family. I would boredgirl102/19/18
Take the bar as soon as you graduate. You are correct that i cranky02/14/18
I really wanted to travel after graduation... i am so scared triplesix02/14/18
My mom works for the airline. I get the tickets for free and boredgirl102/19/18
Can you pay student loans with free tickets and a "free" pla triplesix02/20/18
Loans aren't due immediately ;) anyway, I am already taking boredgirl102/20/18
Take the bar now, and don't travel if you can't afford it. shouldalearnedmath02/14/18
My mom works for the airline. I get the tickets for free and boredgirl102/19/18
So some of my JDU folks want us to "hold back" in case of be cocolawyer02/14/18
OP clearly is one who self sabotages. She wants to be a lawy nighthawk02/14/18
OP isn’t sure she wants to practice law is my take away. M khazaddum02/14/18
Well to be fair it is kinda late to not be sure... Do you th triplesix02/14/18
Dude I don't want to practice law either but I sure do want cocolawyer02/14/18
If she has no job lined up and hasn’t started the process khazaddum02/14/18
I will take it in July. I made the deadline. I have lived he boredgirl102/19/18
He is a virgin and so am I. Nice try though. boredgirl102/19/18
I don't drink and I would never go anywhere near Mexico. I a boredgirl102/19/18
"So some of my JDU folks want us to "hold back" " I thi inho2solo02/14/18
Nah the admin likes to tell it as it is. My advice was hones cocolawyer02/14/18
Nope. I am a virgin and so is he... boredgirl102/19/18
Your responses and grim outlook on life are very sad. What c boredgirl102/19/18
You’re financially insecure, afraid you won’t get a job jorgedeclaro02/14/18
My bf would pay for the travel. Also, my mom works for the a boredgirl102/19/18
And in regard to credentials over camarderie, you need to un jorgedeclaro02/14/18
Did your parents pay for law school? Otherwise how are you trijocker02/14/18
Truth. I would call opposing counsels so many bad words all cocolawyer02/14/18
Right after law school is the best time to take the bar exam jackofspeed02/14/18
Thanks for your straight response. Some of the other people boredgirl102/19/18
Great! I think that's the better choice, and good luck with jackofspeed02/19/18
The OP has got to be the trolliest flame ever. I just refuse dietcoke02/14/18
You are dumb as hell. No wonder you are miserable and no job boredgirl102/19/18
Thoughts: -Only legit career for a new grad to have after 2tierreality02/14/18
I can only relate to you my experience. I hope it is somewha cacrimdefense02/14/18
Thanks for your honest reply. Happy it worked out after all boredgirl102/19/18
A few things. First, I would take the Illinois bar. If you w kramer71602/14/18
The OP could still take the July bar and travel after. The b downwardslope02/15/18
Also depending on where and for how long she wants to travel thirdtierlaw02/15/18
Thank you for actual decent non judgmental advice. All these boredgirl102/19/18
Good luck. It's all about motivation. I hate to pull the "ba kramer71602/19/18
Edit. Removed comment as OP wants to insult us all, and does khazaddum02/19/18
Last year it ended in late June. I make about $120 per day b boredgirl102/19/18
Study and travel. I bought the previous bar's prep books and dieter02/20/18

boredgirl1 (Feb 14, 2018 - 1:09 am)

I live in Illinois and intent to practice law here. Although I'm not sure I would want to stay here forever. Anyway, I graduate in May. I really wanted to travel after graduation and have some time to relax and then take the February 2019 bar, but the career counselor thinks I should just take it in July. I'm super depressed. I wanted to work in May and June and then travel in July. I have a substitute teaching license and was planning on subbing after graduation. I also have a long distance fiancé and really wanted to spend time with him. He is unable to be with me in Illinois during these months. I am so scared financially. I don't want to take out more loans. I thought I could sub May and June and then early fall months when elementary school starts again to make money for bar preparation. However, I am afraid if I wait until February to take the bar employers will assume I failed in July. 😰😰😰 I am afraid I will destroy 90 percent of my chances at employment if I wait. Keep in mind, I don't want to be immediately employed after the bar. I will travel after this.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 14, 2018 - 1:13 am)

BTW please no sarcasm in response to my posts. I get enough of that from my fellow law students. I oftentimes regret entering this profession because of the sarcasm and rudeness. I am super depressed and feeling burnt out. I've been through a lot this year. I just want genuine friendly advice. BTW, I don't know if it matters I'm top ten percent in my class. Although my law school is a not a great one. That's another thing that breaks my heart about law school. Doctors are doctors whether they went to school at Harvard or Guadalajara. They even have the option at a cheap education abroad. We are such a struggling profession and I wish we could all be supportive of each other, but unfortunately that's not the case.

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nighthawk (Feb 14, 2018 - 8:52 am)

Look at the long term, not the short term. Take the bar now, which is what people do when it is fresh in their minds. It can hurt you to take the bar in February. Unless you are gearing up for doc review, then, by all means, take the February bar.

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jeffm (Feb 14, 2018 - 9:54 am)

This is the one time you need to know it's going to do more harm than good to run from your fears. Bootstraps! Do your best to pass the first time. Take plenty of practice exams, find your weaknesses and improve on them. You shouldn't have to spend a lot of money to study for the bar. I won't say the bar review courses aren't helpful, but I will say everything you need to know can be found in a used set of somebody else's bar review materials. Did I say take a lot of practice tests and find your weaknesses? This is the key.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:48 pm)

Thank you. I decided to take it in July after all.

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khazaddum (Feb 14, 2018 - 10:04 am)

I was in Illinois about a decade ago. The job market was brutal. Jobs existed in Chicago but the pay was not enough to cover rent.

I’d look at Texas or another fast growing state. Illinois is losing residents. If you are just entering the profession now, you really need to consider that. It isn’t bad now but in 25-30 years?

It is very very hard to switch your law practice to another state. I essentially started over at first-year 25 year old lawyer salary in my 30s when I moved. No one is truly out to help you but yourself.

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downwardslope (Feb 14, 2018 - 2:33 pm)

You can waive into Texas after 5 years. Getting a job in the popular states is worse. They are insanely saturated with everyone thinking the state is growing plus the people who want to retire to warmer climates. Not everyone wants to hang out a shingle. The OP really does not seem like she has what it takes, let me tell you.

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blackholelaw (Feb 14, 2018 - 4:59 pm)

Anyone else remember that blogger in Chicago who got no-offered from his firm, did doc review, and also worked part time at Macy's? What was his name? I hope he's doing well.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:19 pm)

I meant what month to take. I do not plan on leaving Illinois anytime soon. I wouldn't want to work DT Chicago though. I would be more interested in the suburbs.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:30 pm)

I have no expenses for housing. Live with my family. I would hopefully live with my bf after he comes to IL. IL is losing residents, but I still do not really see myself leaving. If I leave, I would leave the country.

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cranky (Feb 14, 2018 - 10:16 am)

Take the bar as soon as you graduate. You are correct that it will look strange and employers will assume you failed the July bar if you only took the February bar. Plus you will have other chances to travel later if you have the money that is. If you don't have a job lined up right away then there will be time later to take a trip.

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triplesix (Feb 14, 2018 - 10:28 am)

I really wanted to travel after graduation... i am so scared financially. I don't want to take out more loans.

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Sleep on this dear. I don't think you understand how life works.

Travel with student loans, no money and no job? You must be a millenial!

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:20 pm)

My mom works for the airline. I get the tickets for free and my bf is overseas so I would just be staying with him. Again, think before you judge.

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triplesix (Feb 20, 2018 - 9:29 am)

Can you pay student loans with free tickets and a "free" place to stay? 😘

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boredgirl1 (Feb 20, 2018 - 9:30 pm)

Loans aren't due immediately ;) anyway, I am already taking it in July. Then, leaving during the time I will be waiting for results.

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shouldalearnedmath (Feb 14, 2018 - 10:37 am)

Take the bar now, and don't travel if you can't afford it. Pretty simple.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:22 pm)

My mom works for the airline. I get the tickets for free and my bf is overseas so I would just be staying with him. Thats why its pointless to post in here. Just judgment.

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cocolawyer (Feb 14, 2018 - 11:50 am)

So some of my JDU folks want us to "hold back" in case of being "to rude." Frankly that's not being honest.

Listen you got a mountain of debt, and you will have almost zero job prospects for anyone worth a crap if you take the February bar. Everyone will assume you wet the bed on the first attempt and you will be passed over for any job worth a crap. It also looks like you are way to sensative for this gig. What will happen the first time the judge dresses you down in open court? What will happen with an OC like me calls you a F-Tard?

Plus lets face it your boyfriend is long distance, so he has probably been banging the local talent. Not worth throwing your entire career away to find out your boyfriend gave you the herp after banging slutty suzzie in the bed of his 1991 Ford pickup.

If you want to be a lawyer (god knows why you would want to) pull up your granny pannies and take the July bar. If you want to be a teacher, then who gives a F and go travel. Get a teaching job asap and public forgiveness here you come.

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nighthawk (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:24 pm)

OP clearly is one who self sabotages. She wants to be a lawyer but travel after the bar for a significant amount of time. Busy with a long distance fiancee. Employers don't care about your boyfriend, your desire to hit the bar in Tijuana or how sensitive you are. Employers want to know what credentials you have to make their business more successful, not what you want to do after law school.

OP should be working on the bar, interview skills, and anything else that will better her position for getting a job. Instead, she wants to put the bar aside. Sabotage. She does not want to succeed; she wants to blow any chance of success, do some substitute teaching, and then complain. Let her do it. She has a forum. Someone will keep the doc review seat warm for her.

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khazaddum (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:28 pm)

OP isn’t sure she wants to practice law is my take away. Most new graduates are this way unfortunately.

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triplesix (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:36 pm)

Well to be fair it is kinda late to not be sure... Do you think grifter student loan collector is unsure about wanting to collect on her student loans.

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cocolawyer (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:46 pm)

Dude I don't want to practice law either but I sure do want that house, cars, nice suits, and a readily available blowjob from the wife (still working on that one).

She is just trying to make an excuse to travel with her boyfriend who will give her the herp, and have to confess he put his dipstick in her sisters butt while she was away at lawschool.

Get on or off the pot.

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khazaddum (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:48 pm)

If she has no job lined up and hasn’t started the process of applying to the bar yet... I am not sure IL bar is possible (IL attorneys Registration is a nightmare), nor that she has any future in the law outside working for Law Offices of Debty McCollections in south Chicago for $1,000 a month plus a tiny commission.

If she wants to move and take in July, moving from IL is the best story you can tell to an employer. Its a tough sell but her options are no good in any event.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:21 pm)

I will take it in July. I made the deadline. I have lived here my whole life and I actually know people here. Maybe it will not be the best money, but its better than what my friends are making who only have bachelors degrees.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:25 pm)

He is a virgin and so am I. Nice try though.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:24 pm)

I don't drink and I would never go anywhere near Mexico. I am going somewhere way more interesting. I love how people here know zero aside from an anonymous post and give their opinions. My only question was about whether its better to take July or February and whether ILLINOIS will become UBE. I didn't ask for your opinion on my personal life.

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inho2solo (Feb 14, 2018 - 1:09 pm)

"So some of my JDU folks want us to "hold back" "


I think "some of" includes Admin.

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cocolawyer (Feb 14, 2018 - 7:56 pm)

Nah the admin likes to tell it as it is. My advice was honest...with a bit of JDU humor mixed in.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:31 pm)

Nope. I am a virgin and so is he...

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:50 pm)

Your responses and grim outlook on life are very sad. What client would want to work with somebody who has your attitude? If you are annoying on a forum, I can't imagine in real life.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:05 pm)

You’re financially insecure, afraid you won’t get a job but you’re insistent on traveling after graduation instead of getting a job. You are asking for advice about navigating self-imposed statics that are contradictory to your fears.

Take the bar in July. Get a job in July or earlier.

Yes, employers will think you failed the July if you take the February bar.

Yes, it will be harder to get a job if you go traveling for a while instead of getting a job. Employers will think there is a reason no one hired you, you will be behind another graduating class a year younger, and if you tell them you wanted to travel they will question your judgment and decision making for all the reasons this thread is and your classmates are.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:35 pm)

My bf would pay for the travel. Also, my mom works for the airline so I get free tickets anyway. The people here on here are the reason people hate lawyers. You guys are all pretty lame. Get lives.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:16 pm)

And in regard to credentials over camarderie, you need to understand that 30-40% of lawyers are grossly incompetent, never mind those who get washed out before they have a chance. You also need to realize that law school does not teach you how to practice law. Employers rely on the imperfect signaling of class rank and school prestige to try and navigate though the awfulness.

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trijocker (Feb 14, 2018 - 12:54 pm)

Did your parents pay for law school?
Otherwise how are you going to pay back your law school loans?

One thing I advise pre laws is to go visit courtrooms and jails, go visit several law schools and yeah I tell students both male and female to read JDU. If they cannot take that environment then perhaps going to law school is not for you. Kid you not, the way people speak on JDU is the way people speak in real life, it's not all tea parties and daisies. People speak frankly.

If you miss the bf so much go move in with him this summer while you study for the bar. Then fly into Chicago and take the bar exam in July and fly back to his home and live with him while you teach.

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cocolawyer (Feb 14, 2018 - 8:02 pm)

Truth. I would call opposing counsels so many bad words all the time. Not necessarily to their face (sanctions are unbecoming), but to other attorneys. Those attorneys would talk the same crap about other attorneys. Everyone complains about judges.

Then you are likely going to deal with a bit of sexual harassment in your job (unless you are some angry dike looking chick...then everyone is just going to hate you). Like there is this attorney in Placer county I just want to plow. Every time I go to Court some attorney is talking about how tight her butt is.

On the flip side plenty attorneys are probably calling me a fat POS or some other thing (especially the ones I used to own). Its just the buisness your in.

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jackofspeed (Feb 14, 2018 - 1:14 pm)

Right after law school is the best time to take the bar exam. The information is fresh in your mind and you're still in the "student" mode. And some people come to appreciate it as the last hurrah of blocking out the real world and embracing the challenge of mastering the last hurdle to becoming an attorney.

And if you've made friends at law school, this is a good opportunity to hang out and commisserate together. That cohort you joined three years ago are about to become your colleagues at bar. Enjoy their company in the twilight of this particular day.

And, if your finances allow it, taking a vacation immediate afterwards is a great goal. I wish I'd had the money to do that myself.

Sometimes "the way things are always done" has a good reason behind it. If you want to do something different (in this case delaying taking the bar exam) you will need a reason that will satisfy whomever will hire you next as an attorney.

In the main, legal hiring puts a low premium on a candidate's quest for self-actualization.

So my recommendation is plan to jump this hurdle, take a well-deserved break, and finish laying the groundwork for your legal career.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 4:02 pm)

Thanks for your straight response. Some of the other people who reply on these threads are seriously crazy. I can picture them shooting up their work place or school. I just asked a simple question about whether I should take July 2018 or February 2019. Never thought I would come back a few days later to all these crazy responses and assumptions. Anyway, I decided on July and submitted my application.

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jackofspeed (Feb 19, 2018 - 4:30 pm)

Great! I think that's the better choice, and good luck with the exam.

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dietcoke (Feb 14, 2018 - 1:24 pm)

The OP has got to be the trolliest flame ever. I just refuse to believe somebody is so vapid.

Just in case it's not flame, here's the truth:

1. You already sabotaged yourself by going to a garbage law school. You're in damage control mode for the next ten years. Never forget that.

2. If you don't take the July bar absolutely no employer will want to touch you. They will see May graduation --> February bar and assume you failed July. A garbage-tier JD with a failed bar = leper colony law.

3. A Harvard MD and bottom tier MD absolutely do have very different opportunities. You not only have no understanding of how the world works, but especially not how residency matching works.

4. Further, the worst med school in the U.S. is like a tier 1 law school in admissions standards. The bottom law schools are truly awful and not at all comparable to the bottom med school.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:35 pm)

You are dumb as hell. No wonder you are miserable and no job. Who would hire an asshole like you?

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2tierreality (Feb 14, 2018 - 6:37 pm)

Thoughts:

-Only legit career for a new grad to have after law school that is not active practice of late is a judicial clerkship. Don't even need bar admission. Might even be able to take time off for a reasonable vacation. Look for one soon, they fill up fast.

-If I am hiring, a desire for "time off" is worse then failing the bar for someone in your position since it reeks of laziness and immaturity. Just sayin'.

-If you are not clerking or working in an entry level legal job right after school, it can affect your whole legal career. You HAVE to get that first legal job right within 6-9 months out of school. If you don't, your legal career will become a "failure to launch" and you may never recover.
If your class's rank is as high as you say it is, then be careful, you have worked too hard to screw it up now.

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cacrimdefense (Feb 14, 2018 - 6:51 pm)

I can only relate to you my experience. I hope it is somewhat helpful.

I attended a better LS than you, but your grades are better than mine. When I graduated I wanted to get faaaaaaaar away from law, people in it, etc. Consequently, I didn't take the CBE until 5 years after I received my JD. I missed passing the first time by 38 points (on a scale where 1400 is passing). There's no doubt in my mind that the half-decade hiatus cost me those points.

During the summer after my 2L year, I clerked for a firm in downtown L.A. that had around 125 lawyers and couple smaller offices overseas. Since I've been licensed, however, I've only worked as a solo or for sh--law firms.

That being said, I'm very happy w/ my work and area of practice, and have been for the past 10 years.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 11:31 pm)

Thanks for your honest reply. Happy it worked out after all for you :)

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kramer716 (Feb 14, 2018 - 10:58 pm)

A few things. First, I would take the Illinois bar. If you want to practice in Illinois, then go with that bar. If you want to relocate later on then by that point, you may be able to waive in, or bite the bullet and take another bar.

As for subbing, how long is the school year in Illinois? I would assume you would graduate mid-May and if the school year ends shortly after I am not sure how much subbing you will be able to get in. As for taking the bar, just have to be honest with yourself. If you don't want to take July 2018, then don't. I don't think your career prospects are make or break by skipping this bar. I would work, but maybe get a bartending job or waitressing, or do doc review depending on where you are in IL.

As for travel, if you can afford it go for it. I could not. I waited until I found my full-time position before bouncing around Asia. If you are worried about finances, then maybe just work for a while and do bar prep. You have the six month grace period on your loans, so take the time to fill the coffers before the student loan monster comes to collect.

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downwardslope (Feb 15, 2018 - 7:24 am)

The OP could still take the July bar and travel after. The bar results don’t come out until late September anyway. By the time she graduates, the school year is essentially over since the IL school year ends in late may or early June. She doesn’t need to do the in-person bar prep class. She can do the virtual one while hanging out with her boyfriend, take the July bar, travel until results come out, and then focus on finding a job.

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thirdtierlaw (Feb 15, 2018 - 7:37 am)

Also depending on where and for how long she wants to travel. She can job search while traveling after the bar. Job hunting now a days is scouring in the internet and sending out resumes. She could take a week or two then come back and begin networking. Or best case, network now so you have a head start.

Now really is the time to start sowing the seeds for a job.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 3:27 pm)

Thank you for actual decent non judgmental advice. All these jerks here kept commenting on my financial status despite the fact that I wouldn't be paying for any of the travels. My mom works for the airline and of course I would be staying with my bf. Anyway, I just decided to take July. I made the deadline. It feels good to get the application out of the way. Now, just have to buy the prep course.

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kramer716 (Feb 19, 2018 - 7:07 pm)

Good luck. It's all about motivation. I hate to pull the "back in my day" card, but back in my day, we didn't have online courses. The best you could do is if you lived outside a barbri site where they did in-person classes they would send you an iPod filled with the lectures. I needed that structure of having to get up, go to the barbri site, come back and do the homework for that night. I passed, but if I didn't have that routine, I am pretty sure I would have crashed out hard.

To apply to your situation, no clue about the online courses but if they give you a calendar to work off of stick to it and don't waver. I am assuming you are the average law student, if you are a freaking genius and it is possible, then you can do whatever, but barring that get a routine and stick to it.

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khazaddum (Feb 19, 2018 - 9:06 pm)

Edit. Removed comment as OP wants to insult us all, and does not want advice.

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boredgirl1 (Feb 19, 2018 - 11:14 pm)

Last year it ended in late June. I make about $120 per day before taxes, so I could have saved money for the bar. Anyway, its too late now. I am signed up for July. Maybe I can work a day a week just to have extra cash so I do not drain the money in my savings account while studying and I can make up the extra time on the weekends. I plan to study 5-6 days a week. 7 is just too much. I don't want to be burnt out.

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dieter (Feb 20, 2018 - 3:27 pm)

Study and travel. I bought the previous bar's prep books and blew off to a surf beach in Mexico, where I surfed in the morning and studied 40 hours a week.

Or, argue with people offering you good-faith advice.

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