Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Back to the Gulag

After 18 yrs. of being in the normal labor force, I am now b cantimaginenocountry02/22/18
It sounds like you were in your JD preferred job for over 10 loblawyer02/22/18
I was in my JD plus job for almost 9 yrs. and was making 120 cantimaginenocountry02/22/18
Congratulations. trickydick02/22/18
Sorry to hear. For what its worth, I am a permanent senior a khazaddum02/22/18
If you're a career associate, you need to go client side or loblawyer02/22/18
The labour market is rather strong now generally and not ane triplesix02/22/18
Have to say I have never seen as many job postings in my mar loblawyer02/22/18
That's my experience also, but I have a feeling this another triplesix02/22/18
There are are a lot of "listings" for jobs. What you don't s cantimaginenocountry02/22/18
15-20? In the legal field? Bet you dollars to donuts t bittersweet02/26/18
JC? If you anticipate doing this a while, learn Portugue dieter02/22/18
So we get released early at 3pm from the Epiq Gulag at 4 Pen cantimaginenocountry02/23/18
Sorry to hear about the bad turn OP. I have a few friends in isthisit02/26/18
cantimaginenocountry (Feb 22, 2018 - 3:03 pm)

After 18 yrs. of being in the normal labor force, I am now being forced back to doc review. I did doc review for about 30 mos. after graduating law school 21 yrs. ago. After 9 yrs. as a big law paralegal and then in a JD plus job I was laid off in January. After 3-4 weeks of applying to jobs to FT, I am back in doc review.

My how it has changed since the days when I was doing it in 1997-2000. Let me list how:

1-In 1997 19 out of 20 reviewers were fresh grads now all the reviewers are middle aged
2-everything is PC based now it was just starting to go this route in 1999-2000
3-all reviewers have smart phones now checking on the latest doc review projects in real time. You know there is a project in Secaucus paying $1 more an hour with more hrs.
4-Doc review paid $20-22 an hr. in 1997 but a studio apt. was $100k. Now doc review pays $32 an hr. but the same studio costs $450k. I know because I own it.
5-It seems all the projects had some or a lot of OT in 97-99. Now it seems it is a rare project that actually does.
6-UNEMPLOYMENT was $400 a week in 1999 and it is $435 a week now. IT IS AMAZING HOW IT COULD GO UP SO LITTLE IN 20 YRS. What else is up only 8-9% in 20 yrs?????? There is one thing that has actually gone up less than wages in 20 yrs and it is UE insurance.
7-It seemed 20 yrs ago a lot of the reviewers were hustlers: all were job hunting or had entrepreneurial ideas or hopes. Now not so much.

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loblawyer (Feb 22, 2018 - 4:52 pm)

It sounds like you were in your JD preferred job for over 10 years. How are you not employable in that field? Age discrimination?

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cantimaginenocountry (Feb 22, 2018 - 5:33 pm)

I was in my JD plus job for almost 9 yrs. and was making 120-130k per yr. by the end. I think they thought I was making too much.

I am looking to get on with one of their competitors, the problem is that out their top 5 competitors 2 aren't hiring in NY, 1 moved their entire operation to the west coast, 1 is close by but is 2hr commute each way and the last I cant apply to as I have some personality conflicts with a managing director there.

Something will turn up but in the meantime I will do this.

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trickydick (Feb 22, 2018 - 3:35 pm)

Congratulations.

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khazaddum (Feb 22, 2018 - 4:46 pm)

Sorry to hear. For what its worth, I am a permanent senior associate who is headed that way (doc review) once my mind slows down.

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loblawyer (Feb 22, 2018 - 4:54 pm)

If you're a career associate, you need to go client side or anything in middle management. This profession does not have an option for middle management types, one of it's greatest flaws imo.

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triplesix (Feb 22, 2018 - 5:09 pm)

The labour market is rather strong now generally and not anemic legal profession wise. Don't sit on your hends, try to get something before it gets loose again...

I don't think legal profession will ever recover, we are in the lower-highs, lower-lows trend.

Just try not to stress while joy riding it out, keep good attitude for interviews.

Why not UI for a while? doc review won't go anywhere...

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loblawyer (Feb 22, 2018 - 5:22 pm)

Have to say I have never seen as many job postings in my market as now. They're up at least 50% over the usual average this time of year. This has been consistent for a couple months now.

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triplesix (Feb 22, 2018 - 5:48 pm)

That's my experience also, but I have a feeling this another 06-09 charade. they raise big law salaries 06? didn't they raise salaries in 17?

a small spike will interpreted by law school deans as a robust market has returned haha

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cantimaginenocountry (Feb 22, 2018 - 6:18 pm)

There are are a lot of "listings" for jobs. What you don't see is that they looking for one employee and they will get 15-20 resumes for it. If it is a state job they will contact you about it 120 days from the day you applied: no real urgency there. You almost have to apply just when someone died, went on maternity leave or had breakdown of some kind and you are Johny on the spot. Otherwise there is no urgency!

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bittersweet (Feb 26, 2018 - 5:31 pm)

15-20? In the legal field?

Bet you dollars to donuts that it's at least 3x that.

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dieter (Feb 22, 2018 - 5:29 pm)

JC?

If you anticipate doing this a while, learn Portuguese or German. You'll double your hourly, and have nicer projects.

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cantimaginenocountry (Feb 23, 2018 - 7:31 pm)

So we get released early at 3pm from the Epiq Gulag at 4 Penn Plaza and I am on my way back walking to my apt. (i live in 20s) and while walking back on Broadway I think to the WTC that used to be here and realize it was 25 yrs ago that the first WTC attack happened. Holy sh^t I realize. It was on the last Friday in Febr. 1993 almost exactly 25 yrs to the day. I know I was a 1L in Feb. 1993:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

I still remember it like was yesterday..........WOW how time flies!

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isthisit (Feb 26, 2018 - 6:40 pm)

Sorry to hear about the bad turn OP. I have a few friends in the doc review circuit in NYC. One dude banks because he knows or has learned a bunch of languages. He's always on a project and maxes OT.

With the exception of that one dude all the other attorneys I know on the circuit are consistently sending out resumes and interviewing.

Vaya con dios.

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