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any recruiter here for Texas?

Desperate wife here, not an attorney, but desperately need h gdew102/26/18
I was waiting for someone more encouraging to post, but whil wolfman02/26/18
Texas is actually a fairly good market right now for attorne dilemma201802/26/18
He is fully bilingual and started already the process of rec gdew102/26/18
"Also he is worried because one of the requirenments is been jeffm02/26/18
Dont get me wrong... he absolutely will not lie under any ci gdew102/26/18
Go to the courthouses. We have a civil courthouse, a crimin jeffm02/26/18
Ha, well, we don't really have a criminal courthouse at the tacocheese02/27/18
That's good to know. It's been too long since I was in that jeffm02/27/18
“Have been actively and substantially engaged in the lawfu gdew102/26/18
Without any other language, I would construe that to mean 5 jeffm02/26/18
Where are you right now? If you are in Houston, Texas there whipster03/01/18
Thanks for the help! No we are not in Texas right now, we ar gdew103/04/18
If your hubby is kelsen1 he already asked about Texas a few trijocker03/04/18
Texas is not that insular. You can break in if you are open somefed03/04/18
On the Texas Bar website, you can use the find a lawyer "adv somefed03/05/18
gdew1 (Feb 26, 2018 - 5:01 pm)

Desperate wife here, not an attorney, but desperately need help and advise...
My husband is an attorney but currently not working as one, approximately 2 years ago. He is licensed in Puerto Rico and has over 10 years of experience...public health, contracts, legal advise, grants (writing and manage millions mainly for hospitals), Department of Health attorney, managed and administrated healthcare facility....and more.
We relocate not because of our job situation but because we have kids and the situation over there started to look bad, at least it wasn't anymore the place we wanted to raise our children.
I'm working in the medical field so we knew it will be easier for me to find a job first than him and it happened.
Long short story he is working in a place that he does not like, he is depressed and is feeling miserable, right now it is not an option for him to take the state bar were we are because of the cost it is expensive, mainly because of the experience years he has and because of the no time left to study.
We are considering to relocate again but now in Texas, it looks like there are more opportunities there, but we haven't got any offer yet, not so sure because of the address...
I really need help in order to help him out. Any recruiter here? I have a good job but I know Ill find another one as well.
Any contract specialist, grant manager, healthcare administration or other related field even as a paralegal??? He is just so down...from being a successful lawyer to literally feeling as a loser.
Any help will be appreciated...

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wolfman (Feb 26, 2018 - 5:47 pm)

I was waiting for someone more encouraging to post, but while there was someone recruiting on here a while ago, in general, recruiting for lawyers isn't like that for doctors, or programmers, and it can be very hard for an experienced attorney moving from elsewhere to find a job, especially before he is licensed, especially if English isn't his first language (although being Spanish-speaking - which I assume you are - may help in TX and FL).

It really isn't your husband's fault - it's just the market, US law schools have graduated way too many lawyers in the past several decades.

I'm not saying he won't find something - but looking remotely before you move will be difficult.

Why doesn't he like what he is doing now? Is it reviewing documents, maybe documents in Spanish? That pays better than the same thing in English, at last... perhaps others have better ideas?

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dilemma2018 (Feb 26, 2018 - 6:39 pm)

Texas is actually a fairly good market right now for attorneys--let me rephrase that: For experienced attorneys which your husband appears to be.
***However, it is absolutely, positively critical that he pass the Bar here.
I am not sure what reciprocity, if any, Texas has with Puerto Rico or any state for that matter), however, it would be worth making a quick call to the State Bar to inquire. Reciprocity is where one state will acknowledge all or some of a license from elsewhere.

Without being licensed, he will be at a severe disadvantage in competing for slots since most employers will want him to start immediately not contingent upon Bar passage.
Texas is home to large health care systems, colleges with health care divisions, and of course a large population so State government probably has some openings that would be ideal for someone with his background.

Here: I went ahead and added this link which may help:

https://ble.texas.gov/admission-without-examination

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gdew1 (Feb 26, 2018 - 7:01 pm)

He is fully bilingual and started already the process of reciprocity. It will be kind of hard but not impossible. Also he is worried because one of the requirenments is been employed as an attorney for at least 5 of the past 7 years and it’s being 2 years and a half since he is not working as an attorney. We will send the application anyways. I told him that I think he still is into the window frametime but not for sure. Let me paraphrase this... if we are in 2018, counting back seven years would be 2011 and he did work as an attorney 2011, 2012, 2013,2014 and almost all 2015, so for 2015 the taxes should show up his job description. He will need to take a test, not the MBE, Another one about ethics and the next one will be in August. There is also a lot of paper work he will need to upload. We are not sure that he will get the approval, but as a matter of fact the bar in Texas is way less expensive than in Fl.
He is working in the correctional department, with a lot of benefits, days off, health insurance, retirement etc.... but he is over it. He had over 4 interviews for a facility administrator position and at the end he was not the chosen one so this depressed him even more. He thinks he will not find anything else. At this point I think that of some offer shows up he will go for it. Actually he jas being referred to an ICE attorney position, for the three cities he picked up but nothing heard, not so sure if that os even a possibility.
Thank you so much for your responses...

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jeffm (Feb 26, 2018 - 7:12 pm)

"Also he is worried because one of the requirenments is been employed as an attorney for at least 5 of the past 7 years and it’s being 2 years and a half since he is not working as an attorney."

Do NOT mischaracterize his situation in the application process. Any perceived dishonesty will disqualify him, and it could also pose a problem in any other state after that. If he is turned down in Texas, he will have to disclose this fact in any other state where he applies. It is MUCH better to be turned down for not meeting the practice requirement than it is to be turned down for dishonesty in the application process.

In Harris County (Houston) many courts have lists where attorneys can sign and receive court appointments. Criminal law, family law, guardianships, heirships, property tax foreclosures, etc. It's competitive to get court appointments, but he probably could get "some" - at least enough to earn a little income as he works to improve his practice or job situation.

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gdew1 (Feb 26, 2018 - 7:23 pm)

Dont get me wrong... he absolutely will not lie under any circumstance. He is more honest probably than the definition of the word. It’s just that the cutoff is not clear because if we count back from 2011 to 2015 he was working as an atorney.
How does work the court lists?

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jeffm (Feb 26, 2018 - 8:10 pm)

Go to the courthouses. We have a civil courthouse, a criminal courthouse, a juvenile courthouse and a couple of annexes - all in downtown.

You just have to go inside one of the judge's courtrooms and ask the judge or court staff how to sign up on the court's appointment list. There will be different requirements for different courts.

Best to pick a time to visit when the judge and staff are not real busy hearing a bunch of cases. There are so many courts that if one is busy, there will be others that are not. I would suggest going in the mid-afternoon - around 2:30 - 3:00 pm. Many will have finished their hearings for the day.

Somebody else might know more specifics than I do. I am not on those lists.

Be realistic. For example, don't seek appointments on death penalty cases when you have never handled a felony. Start by seeking appointments on misdemeanor cases if you want criminal appointments. Family is simple. Heirships are simple. Property tax foreclosures are simple.

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tacocheese (Feb 27, 2018 - 6:45 pm)

Ha, well, we don't really have a criminal courthouse at the moment. He'll need to head over to the civil one to find criminal cases.

Regardless, the requirements for getting criminal appointments in Harris include significant prior work on criminal cases. He can Google the requirements, but this will not be a source of income for someone with no criminal experience.

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jeffm (Feb 27, 2018 - 7:22 pm)

That's good to know. It's been too long since I was in that arena. It used to be newbie attorneys could sign up and get simple misdemeanors. I hear competition has grown more fierce for the work, and I can see how there probably are more hurdles now.

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gdew1 (Feb 26, 2018 - 7:46 pm)

“Have been actively and substantially engaged in the lawful practice of law as your principal business or occupation for at least 5 of the 7 years immediately preceding your application”

How do you interpret this statement? Counting 2018 as well?

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jeffm (Feb 26, 2018 - 8:16 pm)

Without any other language, I would construe that to mean 5 out of 7. The 5 could be anytime and need not be continuous.

It says as "principal business or occupation," and "principle" means "primary." It doesn't say you have to be successful or real busy - just that the legal work must be your primary activity. For example, a full-time shoe salesman with a law license is not engaging principally in the practice of law because he prepares an occasional will. On the other hand, if a lawyer primarily practices law but sells shoes part-time to supplement his income, that's okay.

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whipster (Mar 1, 2018 - 6:48 am)

Where are you right now? If you are in Houston, Texas there are document reviews all the time, for any Bar, probably PR would count. He could get work there while getting the other stuff done. Here's one that popped up yesterday:

FRONTEO is adding reviewers actively licensed in any state to an ongoing project in its Houston office. If you are interested and think you might be available, please send a Word version of your resume to [email protected]
Start Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9AM
Duration: 2-3 weeks
Hours: 40 hours a week
Pay Rate: $26/hr
Location: FRONTEO Houston office (no remote work)

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gdew1 (Mar 4, 2018 - 12:49 pm)

Thanks for the help! No we are not in Texas right now, we are in FL but willing to relocate. I think there are more opportunities over there than here but also I know being far away will make it difficult.

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trijocker (Mar 4, 2018 - 2:26 pm)

If your hubby is kelsen1 he already asked about Texas a few weeks ago.
I don't know what your living situation is now, but it will probably cost you several thousand to move. This might not be a good idea to move to Texas if the only job offered is a doc review which is temporary. I do see jobs for Spanish speaking attorneys doing business related work in South Florida. Maybe he could work at something and save up some cash before you all move. My impression is Texas is fairly insular to Texas law school grads, so have him send his resume first, and /or you get a guaranteed job in Texas before you relocate your entire family. Good luck to you.


kelsen1 (Feb 13, 2018 - 12:07 pm)

I am a licensed attorney with over 10 years of practice in Puerto Rico and of course attended an ABA accredited law school. I would like to know if someone knows how long does it take the process of the "conversion or waiving" into the Texas. I am living in Florida but not practicing right now but ready to start again. Here I'll need to take the reviews plus the bar and have 3 kids and not a lot of free time. Will like to know about the process, if it's worth it, hows the market and best cities to live, work and raise children. Thanks in advance

http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=152185

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somefed (Mar 4, 2018 - 6:22 pm)

Texas is not that insular. You can break in if you are open to moving where the jobs are. I went to school in the Northeast and there are at least 50 grads of my school working in TX according to the bar website. I can tell you that you will be more marketable there with Spanish skills, much more so than your average out of stater looking for work there.

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somefed (Mar 5, 2018 - 8:45 am)

On the Texas Bar website, you can use the find a lawyer "advanced search." You will see a number of Texas attorneys from Inter-American Law School in PR. This might help you with your job hunt.

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