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An unhappy Dean at UNC Law

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Scumming getting harder even t1 schools. triplesix03/20/18
UNC will be fine, they’ll get by on undergraduate prestige jorgedeclaro03/20/18
Haha LOL. I did not go to UNC, but to a comparable school. T wolfman03/20/18
"Our development officers Aaron Gard, Dana Dubis, Deirdre Go plunky03/23/18
You are really selling academic admin short. GARD, AARON supercalifragilisti04/08/18
He probably meant 300k each. Why is Deirdre getting paid so gladigotaphdinstead04/08/18
Sometimes they make more because of the degrees they have. M bigsal04/08/18
At one of the government hospitals that I rotate it, the nur bigsal04/08/18
Deidre manages (aka solicits) alumni donations She also "ma trijocker04/08/18
Only 66.8% of 2016 graduates were known to be employed in lo taxman12803/20/18
Wow. UNC used to be considered a good school. massivemissive03/20/18
The letter said dropping from 39 to 45 was unacceptable. TBH turde03/21/18
I think that is relatively true. Depending on the region a p thirdtierlaw03/23/18
Guys, you are correct, but just like folks do with career se wolfman03/23/18
Ranking never mattered yesturday or today. Back in the 90s y irishlaw03/23/18
How much pressure do deans put on the Admissions office to u trijocker04/08/18
taxman128 (Mar 20, 2018 - 1:35 pm)

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Martin H. Brinkley '92 Dean and Arch T. Allen Distinguished Professor of Law, not pleased with UNC School of Law drop in U.S. News & World Report graduate school rankings.

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triplesix (Mar 20, 2018 - 1:44 pm)

Scumming getting harder even t1 schools.

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jorgedeclaro (Mar 20, 2018 - 2:08 pm)

UNC will be fine, they’ll get by on undergraduate prestige and not otherwise being a complete bottom feeder.

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wolfman (Mar 20, 2018 - 2:11 pm)

Haha LOL. I did not go to UNC, but to a comparable school. This is so full of win. I can imagine getting something like this. My feelings would be:

Employment Support

Continue to hire Carolina Law students when they graduate.

- Haha, I have no authority to hire anyone except court reporters, and those make more $ than I do. Are you training grads as court reporters now?

Encourage your professional contacts to hire our students.

- What professional contacts? Paralegals? Doc review recruiters? Attorneys who wouldn't even hire me?

Consider hiring our current students for summer positions.

- I have no input into the internships, and summer hires are doing more interesting work than me.

Participate in and sponsor our Career Development Office programs.

- I could maybe staple papers there if they paid me?

Even better:

Admissions Support

If you are contacted by a prospective student, share your Carolina Law experience and guide them to one of our admissions staff members.

- Only if I REALLY disliked them. LS basically ruined me professionally, I'd tell anyone who wasn't a screaming sociopath to stay FAR away.

If you are contacted by a member of our admissions office staff about participating in recruitment efforts, say yes. Help them identify ways you can assist them no matter where you live.

- Someone called me once. I told her, in view of how my JD affected my life, it would be obscene for us to continue speaking.

Get in touch with your local alumni club and meet our newly admitted students at the summer receptions happening in Atlanta (5/31), Washington, D.C. (6/5), Charlotte (6/7), New York (6/12) and Raleigh (6/13).

- Do you really want me to do that? Because I will. You'll have like zero % yield this year if I do... or, more likely, I will be removed from the premises.

Financial and Advancement Support

Make a gift to the Law Annual Fund on April 10th during GiveUNC day. You will receive an email containing a link where you can easily make your gift. Its impact will multiply by securing matching gifts offered only that day. Giving couldn’t be easier.
When contacted by a member of the Carolina Law Advancement staff to discuss giving during the Campaign for Carolina, say yes to a meeting. Our development officers Aaron Gard, Dana Dubis, Deirdre Gordon, Louise Harris and Matt Marvin are happy to meet with you whether you are located in North Carolina or across the country.
Consider making a non-cash gift of retirement assets or publicly traded stocks as well as testamentary gifts. These gifts provide unique ways to make a gift bigger than you thought possible.

- Oh my... haha... no, really, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I would rather burn money in a fireplace when it's like eighty degrees outside.

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plunky (Mar 23, 2018 - 5:51 pm)

"Our development officers Aaron Gard, Dana Dubis, Deirdre Gordon, Louise Harris and Matt Marvin are happy to meet with you whether you are located in North Carolina or across the country."

It is normal for a school of UNC's rank to have this many "development officers"? They're dropping $300k a year or more on these salaries and asking their graduates to subsidize the school?

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supercalifragilisti (Apr 8, 2018 - 8:54 am)

You are really selling academic admin short.

GARD, AARON C UNC-CHAPEL HILL $95,000

DUBIS, DANA M UNC-CHAPEL HILL $73,558

GORDON, DEIRDRE W UNC-CHAPEL HILL $165,000

HARRIS, LOUISE W UNC-CHAPEL HILL $115,000

MARVIN, MATTHEW J UNC-CHAPEL HILL $95,000

These salaries never include employer-paid benefits, so tack on about 20 to 30k to each for those, and you got over half a mil.

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gladigotaphdinstead (Apr 8, 2018 - 11:31 am)

He probably meant 300k each. Why is Deirdre getting paid so much more than the others

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bigsal (Apr 8, 2018 - 11:35 am)

Sometimes they make more because of the degrees they have. Maybe she's the supervisor.

Also she may just have more seniority and have the most cost of living adjustments

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bigsal (Apr 8, 2018 - 11:36 am)

At one of the government hospitals that I rotate it, the nurses who have been around for like 20-something years make more than the doctors because of all the raises their Union has gotten for them

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trijocker (Apr 8, 2018 - 12:33 pm)

Deidre manages (aka solicits) alumni donations
She also "manages" a team of ten donation officers, perhaps why she makes more than the rest.

The the law school probably sends a team to recruit prospective JDS as well, to law school fairs.
One can see why law schools are so expensive to run, with this type of overhead.


http://www.law.unc.edu/news/2017/03/08/deirdre-gordon-as-associate-dean-for-advancement/

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taxman128 (Mar 20, 2018 - 2:26 pm)

Only 66.8% of 2016 graduates were known to be employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/unc/jobs/

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massivemissive (Mar 20, 2018 - 2:54 pm)

Wow. UNC used to be considered a good school.

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turde (Mar 21, 2018 - 8:34 pm)

The letter said dropping from 39 to 45 was unacceptable. TBH, I always saw schools ranked from about 15-100 to be the same. #20 has more in common with #100 than they do with Yale.

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thirdtierlaw (Mar 23, 2018 - 6:33 pm)

I think that is relatively true. Depending on the region a person wants to practice they may find a better job placement rate in a school ranked 80th vs a school ranked 25th.

Good thing my school dropped even more this year, I don't even need to worry about being embarassed. I'm sure I'll get a similar email to the one above but bragging about being ranked 2 or 3 for practical clinics that meet on Tuesdays or some other arbitrary ranking U.S. news puts forth to keep third T schools participating.

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wolfman (Mar 23, 2018 - 7:44 pm)

Guys, you are correct, but just like folks do with career services, you are talking about the interests of and impact on students... and students aren't the audience here because students don't matter!

Rankings matter for deans because wealthy and successful alums (who donate money and ultimately control the board that hires and fires deans and sets their compensation) care about rankings, as do tenured faculty who have a say in the school's governance, as do as tenured faculty and deans at other law schools who might have a say in the dean's next job.

Those groups all matter a great deal, and current students as well as less-than-successful (or simply uninvolved) alums matter not at all. Of course, students are necessary for the school to exist, but while it exists, it doesn't serve their interests or take into account what is good or bad for them. It's like conscript soldiers in an army... except even old-time conscript armies had some opportunities for soldiers to become officers, while a non-T-6 law school graduate today will never become a professor or a dean... so a better analogy would be slaves on a plantation or pigs at a slaughterhouse. You can't get along without them, but their interests matter not at all.

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irishlaw (Mar 23, 2018 - 8:23 pm)

Ranking never mattered yesturday or today. Back in the 90s you could get big law median from Cardozo, today you are only guaranteed biglaw from YSH...even schools like Berkeley have kids striking out at OCI in large numbers every year.

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trijocker (Apr 8, 2018 - 10:25 am)

How much pressure do deans put on the Admissions office to up their numbers with better GPA/LSATS?
I have read that you only go up on US News and World report rankings if your numbers get better. Do you get any extra points from extra URMS admitted or geographic diversity? I would like to know more about how this system works. I know of a certain school where the Dean wants to move to greener pastures, but then their new admits seem to be of lesser caliber numbers, so does their rank go down?

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