Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

You guys saved my life

Hello. 22 y/o here. Took LSAT a few months ago - got 162 - a richardrose03/21/18
Cheers! Consider checking out /dome if you want to see wh triplesix03/21/18
Stop /dome shaming! isthisit03/21/18
Hahaha! 3lol03/21/18
Hey I am pretty stable...key word is pretty. cocolawyer03/21/18
On the other hand, you could have been the founding partner jeffm03/21/18
Don't be mean. therewillbeblood03/21/18
Youre right Jeffm - I could have been a founding partner wit richardrose03/21/18
I think Jeff was being sarcastic. He tries to be helpful to wearyattorney03/21/18
Yes, I was being sarcastic. Probably not the world's most p jeffm03/21/18
Baldness is genetic. Stress hair loss is only temporary. Law loser1203/22/18
Congratulations - find a job where you can learn marketable 6figuremistake03/21/18
TITCR. Alternatively, also try and pursue some form of highl wearyattorney03/21/18
I still owe in the six figures You dodged a bullet If y trijocker03/21/18
How are you planning to make $80K without a law degree? fettywap03/21/18
He or she has a litany of options. He or she can become wearyattorney03/21/18
Bless you my man. Hope things take a turn for the better for richardrose03/21/18
That sounds infinitely better than law. I am not an expert wearyattorney03/21/18
The average lawyer makes $80K. Your suggestion that most wor fettywap03/21/18
1) The average employed lawyer makes 80k*, and averages are wearyattorney03/21/18
Not true. My brother doesn't make 6 figures after 30 years a fettywap03/21/18
Why is your brother a cop and has special FBI training? Is h wearyattorney03/21/18
Because he's in charge of the bomb squad. Legal assistant fettywap03/21/18
Rarely. In the big cities cops make double what prosecutors wearyattorney03/21/18
A big part of the argument that isn't being mentioned here i richardrose03/22/18
Don’t listen to anyone here that tells you to go to law s wearyattorney03/22/18
Dont you worry Weary I have seen God's light and have been s richardrose03/22/18
Congratulations. You made the correct choice. Good luck. wolfman03/21/18
Congratulations! The winning move IS not to play. jackofspeed03/21/18
Did you apply to any schools? Why take it off the table befo maxwell03/21/18
Unless the OP comes from an independently wealthy family, he wearyattorney03/21/18
I did not apply to any schools. UG GPA 3.84 liberal arts deg richardrose03/21/18
You are 100 percent correct, don’t look back. wearyattorney03/21/18
sock? wutwutwut03/21/18
Maybe, but if a 0L is lurking, he or she needs to understan wearyattorney03/21/18
Big mistake kid. You could of been a kingpin like Coco and h cocolawyer03/21/18
Ok Coco--that was really funny! dilemma201803/21/18
Hey all true. I have a huge house. A former model. I do have cocolawyer03/21/18
You said you were former military and on IBR student loan re trijocker03/21/18
Well I was having a good night, thanks for the reminder. But thirdtierlaw03/21/18
I thought what happened in the/dome stayed in the /dome? isthisit03/21/18
Not what you posted in Dome trijocker03/21/18

richardrose (Mar 21, 2018 - 11:28 am)

Hello. 22 y/o here. Took LSAT a few months ago - got 162 - and I have decided to leave that score on the table. If I had never discovered this website I probably would have put my self on an unalterable path towards debt and self-destruction. If it weren't for your insights and personal testimony I would be going to law school.

Thank you guys for everything - I think you guys literally saved my life. Cheers.

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triplesix (Mar 21, 2018 - 11:58 am)

Cheers!

Consider checking out /dome if you want to see what would happen to your mental state if you proceeded with your legal career.

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isthisit (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:39 pm)

Stop /dome shaming!

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3lol (Mar 21, 2018 - 4:52 pm)

Hahaha!

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 5:42 pm)

Hey I am pretty stable...key word is pretty.

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jeffm (Mar 21, 2018 - 11:59 am)

On the other hand, you could have been the founding partner of the world's most prestigious law firm. Now, what?

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therewillbeblood (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:07 pm)

Don't be mean.

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richardrose (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:22 pm)

Youre right Jeffm - I could have been a founding partner with all the benefits that come with it - lots of money, baldness, divorce, etc

Dont care for prestige or >40 hour work weeks. I will happily make 70-80k for a regular work/life balance.

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:34 pm)

I think Jeff was being sarcastic. He tries to be helpful to people that already took the plunge, but he knows it’s a mistake for the vast majority of people that attend, and an unmitigated disaster for a substantial portion of that majority.

God Bless you and don’t ever look back. I would give absolutely anything for a time machine to correct that stupid decision. I can’t say I’m not jealous of you, but I feel content another person has been saved from this disgusting farce of a “profession.”

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jeffm (Mar 21, 2018 - 4:52 pm)

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Probably not the world's most prestigious firm, but maybe the world's 2nd most prestigious firm. lol.

Good luck, OP!

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loser12 (Mar 22, 2018 - 10:35 am)

Baldness is genetic. Stress hair loss is only temporary. Law does not make you more bald. Divorce is also more about the personality types that go into law.

The financial risks exist in and of themselves.

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6figuremistake (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:01 pm)

Congratulations - find a job where you can learn marketable skills and be aggressive with your 401k contributions early on and then prepare yourself for a life of which most law school grads can only dream.

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:37 pm)

TITCR. Alternatively, also try and pursue some form of highly remunerative (and preferably unorthodox) municipal employment (wealthy cities and suburbs only). You can laugh at the fools that attended law school and/or pursued private sector employment in the 21st century globalized economy.

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trijocker (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:35 pm)

I still owe in the six figures
You dodged a bullet

If you change your mind later in life, just go part time at night to a local law school so you are not in debtor prison the rest of your life. It gives you nightmares, no really.
Good luck to you!

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fettywap (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:37 pm)

How are you planning to make $80K without a law degree?

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:41 pm)

He or she has a litany of options.

He or she can become an engineer, accountant, supply chain professional, etc.

If he or she is really sharp and can avoid the pitfalls of social convention, he or she can become a cop, fireman, sanitation worker, tradesperson, teacher, etc in a wealthy city or municipality.

Your implication that law is the only way to make 80k is laughable. Most lawyers don’t make 80k, and those that make 80k work far harder, under more stress, and with more uncertainty than many other career choices that have less stress, less work hours, more security, and are generally more fullfilling

The world is this person’s oyster, and this person just dodged a massive bullet laced with disappointment, regret, uncertainty, and long life pain.

I would give absolutely anything to have the opportunity to go back and in time and make the same decision. Anything.

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richardrose (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:05 pm)

Bless you my man. Hope things take a turn for the better for you, you've clearly got a big heart. Funny you mentioned supply chain - i was just accepted into a grad program for that field and I am considering making a profession out of that

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:14 pm)

That sounds infinitely better than law. I am not an expert by any stretch in that area, but I hear military experience is a great plus for that area.

Reach out to folks in the actual field to see if that is true and/or get other pointers.

God Speed.

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fettywap (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:39 pm)

The average lawyer makes $80K. Your suggestion that most workers in other fields make $80K is laughable. Cops, firefighters, and sanitation workers start in the 30s or 40s and slowly work their way up. Most people can't be engineers, and most accountants are not making close to $80K. It's not like everyone else besides lawyers are living the dream.

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 4:06 pm)

1) The average employed lawyer makes 80k*, and averages are skewed. As you know, if Bill Gates is in a bar with twenty bums, the networth of the average patron is in the millions.

2) Cops, firefighters, and sanitation workers may start out in the 30s and 40s, but they do so with no student loan debt or lost opportunity cost. They also will make six figures within 5-10 years of joining the force, which still beats out most lawyers, and we are not even factoring in pensions. Most cops in wealthy cities and suburbs, after they reach top pay, out earn most lawyers.

3) Most people can’t get the kind of jobs that justify the time and resource expenditure involved in getting a law degree, so if you can’t make 80k a year as an accountant or become an engineer, there’s no reasonable basis to assume you can make it as a lawyer.

A law degree offers no distinct advantage over other alternatives, period, end of story. For most people, it’s a disadvantage.

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fettywap (Mar 21, 2018 - 4:26 pm)

Not true. My brother doesn't make 6 figures after 30 years as a police officer, and that's with a required degree, promotions, special FBI training, etc. The average police officer will not move up that high and to that pay grade. Some rural officers start in the 20s.
I represented a firefighter who was chief and had been there forever. Was still only making about $70K. Many firefighters are volunteer.
Sanitation workers make about $4,000 a month, and get small raises. They are not making the big bucks and they probably hate their lives more than lawyers do.

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 5:52 pm)

Why is your brother a cop and has special FBI training? Is he in the FBI? What part of the country?FBI agents make less than many polcie officers (I know because my brother has made a point to let everyone know).

Look at any major wealthy city or suburb in the United States, including Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, New York, San Francisco, San Diego, Long Island, New Jersey (most suburbs), Seattle, etc.

The same can be said for firemen and in many instances sanitation workers.

If we are talking rural America, thats a different animal, and I best most lawyers are struggling to make a living there as well.

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fettywap (Mar 21, 2018 - 8:11 pm)

Because he's in charge of the bomb squad.

Legal assistants make 6 figures in big cities. It's not a large salary there.

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:22 pm)

Rarely. In the big cities cops make double what prosecutors and public defenders make and also usually if not the same as teachers.

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richardrose (Mar 22, 2018 - 9:44 am)

A big part of the argument that isn't being mentioned here is JD as scarlet letter. Sure I COULD theoretically make 80k as a lawyer - but if I hate it - then what? Posters on this board have made it very clear that the JD will resign an individual to a life of law with little hope of escape.

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wearyattorney (Mar 22, 2018 - 11:44 am)

Don’t listen to anyone here that tells you to go to law school, it’s a catastrophically bad decision for the reason you just stated and for a slew of other reasons you probably already understand.

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richardrose (Mar 22, 2018 - 12:05 pm)

Dont you worry Weary I have seen God's light and have been saved. I will be telling friends and family who want to practice law to stay far away and to check this site and the other scam blogs to get a better idea.

The situation is still fraught for 0L's. The only people who have told me in person to stay far away are practicing attorneys - while some attorneys tried hard to nudge me towards LS.

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wolfman (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:46 pm)

Congratulations. You made the correct choice. Good luck.

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jackofspeed (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:53 pm)

Congratulations! The winning move IS not to play.

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maxwell (Mar 21, 2018 - 12:56 pm)

Did you apply to any schools? Why take it off the table before exploring options. Whats your ug degree, gpa?

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:01 pm)

Unless the OP comes from an independently wealthy family, he or she made the correct decision. He or she doesn’t need to explore the options in law because there are far greener pasteurs elsewhere.

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richardrose (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:06 pm)

I did not apply to any schools. UG GPA 3.84 liberal arts degree from poopy institution. I am 100% certain that I can find a fulfilling career that is not law - I am a versatile individual.

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 1:10 pm)

You are 100 percent correct, don’t look back.

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wutwutwut (Mar 21, 2018 - 2:02 pm)

sock?

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wearyattorney (Mar 21, 2018 - 4:09 pm)

Maybe, but if a 0L is lurking, he or she needs to understand that the right decision is not going.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 5:47 pm)

Big mistake kid. You could of been a kingpin like Coco and have a huge house, a gorgeous Wife, with servants

(will leave out massive student loan debt, massive home mortgage, anxeity, and depression)

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dilemma2018 (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:07 pm)

Ok Coco--that was really funny!

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:10 pm)

Hey all true. I have a huge house. A former model. I do have a maid, gardner, and until recently a pool cleaner.

I just left out a bit of tiny details...minimal really. I have a mountain of student loan debt that will eventually engulf me from a hole in which there is no escape. I have about $500k or so left on my mortgage (I put like $250-300k on the place as a down). Although my income is good, my expenses has completely eaten away at my savings. I am always tire, sometimes depressed, often suffer from anxiety.

Other then that though....you totally missed out on the kingpin life.

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trijocker (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:36 pm)

You said you were former military and on IBR student loan repayments
Be honest with the pre JD student what life is really like after law school debt, not that you end up in a castle with servants, after 140 post threads in Dome about how sad you are over pool boy.

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thirdtierlaw (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:56 pm)

Well I was having a good night, thanks for the reminder. But hey if you're on repaye the government pays half your unpaid interest! Just counting down the days till the tax bomb. But actually coco, aren't you going to avoid the tax bomb completely, just 9ish more years for you before it disappears?

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isthisit (Mar 21, 2018 - 10:05 pm)

I thought what happened in the/dome stayed in the /dome?

Now I have to go delete my sexy lawyer erotica fiction threads.

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trijocker (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:32 pm)

Not what you posted in Dome

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