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Am I screwed?

OK, so to make a long story short -- a girl online contacted dalocummelioribus03/21/18
I am going to leave the real words I want to call you for DO cocolawyer03/21/18
But my flight is literally today...what can they do? And the dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Did you ever give your name to the minor child you were prop cocolawyer03/21/18
Nope -- I did NOT give my name to the 17 year old. My friend dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Yeah well I have confirmed this is a troll story. Like some cocolawyer03/21/18
I promise it's not a "troll" post. It isn't just some "rando dalocummelioribus03/21/18
"Officer I only engaged in child pornography because the chi cocolawyer03/21/18
Not just for that lol. I also happened to come visit (which dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Your guilty. You exchanged naked pictures by your own admiss cocolawyer03/21/18
No, I am not asking you to tell me anything you don't want. dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Umm they have an iron clad case. Their is no mental or Mens cocolawyer03/21/18
Did you soak the phone in Draino? I read on the internet th wutwutwut03/21/18
Wait - maybe it was Dawn. Or Palmolive? wutwutwut03/21/18
My friend has destroyed the actual physical phone. And I pai dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Oh shoot now they only have the 17 year olds phone that sent cocolawyer03/21/18
Actually in the messages there is NOTHING sexually explicit dalocummelioribus03/21/18
What did I make up. You exchanged nude pictures with a minor cocolawyer03/21/18
THIS: "where you said "oh baby I want to stick my **** in yo dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Well give me some poetic liberty here in my sarcasm. Honestl cocolawyer03/21/18
Man arrested for sending nude pictures through text http: taxman12803/21/18
Assuming this story and facts are true, then you, Sir, are p dilemma201803/21/18
Thanks for this answer. Yes, I have stated everything here f dalocummelioribus03/21/18
Your cell phone has a bill associated with it (or his mind y cocolawyer03/21/18
OK but he told me the bill is in his parents name and he doe dalocummelioribus03/21/18
You really think his parents won't tell the police who he is pauperesq03/22/18
Credited. I will add one note. He knew she was 17 years old cocolawyer03/21/18
You really think OP is gonna be extradited for sending one p specv31303/21/18
Exactly...I don't think police in a major city are going to dalocummelioribus03/21/18
It's weird they wanted you to call the father. Contrary to p thirdtierlaw03/21/18
Yes -- I thought it was so strange that the police didn't pr dalocummelioribus03/21/18
It's not impossible to spoof numbers. I also don't believe a thirdtierlaw03/21/18
Yes and you know what else I found totally weird? Last night dalocummelioribus03/21/18
It's extremely unlikely they'd give the father your phone nu thirdtierlaw03/21/18
Sounds like a scam to me. dingbat03/21/18
Yup. Classic scam. Let me guess, if you pay a fine they’ll nycop03/21/18
It's possible the girl never existed, and you should count y loser1203/22/18
My 2 cents. Go home. Tell no one. See what ever happens. qdllc03/22/18
180. wolfman03/22/18
** UPDATE ** Hello everyone -- I read your responses and dalocummelioribus03/22/18
With the amount of work that goes into this, they could just loser1203/22/18
I tell you, this has to be the most entertaining thread I've caj11103/22/18
OP has posted on here before and may or may not have gone to wolfman03/22/18
Remember something like him being an international man of my wutwutwut03/23/18
I'd like to know how in the good God you actually could have parlance03/23/18
@parlance: I know that about the parents and how they could dalocummelioribus03/23/18
People do dumb things. I'm much more concerned that many lic loser1203/23/18
Exactly. It’s been years since I handled PD cases, but shuiz03/24/18

dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 5:47 pm)

OK, so to make a long story short -- a girl online contacted me (she is 17) and in my state, sex between an adult and a consenting 17 year old is totally legal. I am airbnbing and she texted me. She asked me for a naked pic and I sent her one and she sent me one. She said she'd drive to me so after a long while she didn't come and I figured she was flaking. I get a call from a real police number telling me that the girl had been involved in an accident and if I knew who her parents are, etc. I said no, we havent even met at all and he thanks me, hangs up.

Today I got a text message from the father telling me he is going to press charges...and sue me. He tried calling me and I hung up. Then the police call me and the "sergeant" or person there tells me that if they press charges, they can have an arrest warrant for me...since little did I know, TEXTING a nude pic is actually illegal.

So here's my question: I'm leaving the country today because I don't actually live in the US and was only visiting. The phone I used belonged to my friend who let me stay at his place. He is of course outraged at all this, but can they really do anything at this point? They said they might go to press charges tomorrow.

Also, is it normal for police to call me and "threaten" me like that over the phone? He even told me to call the father (which I did) and he just basically insulted me and tried to get him to pay cash for the accident damage. Ridiculous

Any thoughts?

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 5:51 pm)

I am going to leave the real words I want to call you for DOME.

Anyways, yes you are pretty screwed. Child pornography is the distribution of underage porn. Congrats by accepted and soliciting naked pictures from a minor you definitely fall within that net.

Cops often threaten you...and lie to you. That is why you have an attorney to protect you from yourself.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 5:53 pm)

But my flight is literally today...what can they do? And they don't have my name and the pic I sent is blurry.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:02 pm)

Did you ever give your name to the minor child you were propositioning? If so congrats they got your name. It's your friends phone, leading them to your friend...who knows your name and where you live. Congrats they got your name and address. You are flying overseas...congrats most places have extradition.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:03 pm)

Nope -- I did NOT give my name to the 17 year old. My friend also doesnt know my full name...we met online and he never got my address or full name, so no.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:06 pm)

Yeah well I have confirmed this is a troll story. Like some random dude is going to let you stay with him, who is not your friend, doesn't even know your name, and let you use his phone to sex up a minor child.

This is a Troll post Admin...Take down.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:08 pm)

I promise it's not a "troll" post. It isn't just some "random" dude. We had met online a while back for sex purposes. We never exchanged FULL names. And he didn't know I was using his phone...he wasn't home when this happened. I used his phone because since I dont have an American phone, I didnt want to pay for using my foreign #. Also, the girl sent me pics first.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:13 pm)

"Officer I only engaged in child pornography because the child liked me first"-says the guilty person.

You flew to america to meet a random guy to play hide the salami with? Well this was fun. I am out.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:14 pm)

Not just for that lol. I also happened to come visit (which is why he offered me to stay with him in the 1st place). Anyway, you haven't really been constructive (not that you should or anything)...but I just feel like you're being rude at this point. Thanks anyway.

PS: I'm innocent until proven guilty.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:17 pm)

Your guilty. You exchanged naked pictures by your own admission with a minor child...that's pretty matter of fact.

I don't really know how to be constructive here. I am not going to advocate to flee the country because you wanted to diddle a teenager.

My analysis as stated is I think you are in some trouble, that the officers did normal tactics, and that merely running for your life likely will not save you. If you want me to say it will be alright...okay it will be alright.*tell me lies tell me sweet little lies*

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:21 pm)

No, I am not asking you to tell me anything you don't want. All I'm saying is, I don't think they have a solid case...especially since the phone isn't mine, I don't live in the US, they don't know my name, they don't know my address.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:34 pm)

Umm they have an iron clad case. Their is no mental or Mens Rea component to the law. You did the act, hence you are guilty. They have the cell phone thus they have the evidence of your guilt. Your argument is in regards to finding you, which is different then how strong their case is.

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wutwutwut (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:37 pm)

Did you soak the phone in Draino? I read on the internet that this will remove your fingerprints!

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wutwutwut (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:42 pm)

Wait - maybe it was Dawn. Or Palmolive?

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:42 pm)

My friend has destroyed the actual physical phone. And I paid him for it, its only fair.

Cocolawyer: they would have to find me, yep. And to be honest, from the way the father spoke to me and first asked me for money for the "damaged car", it all sounded like a scam. In fact I would've thought it is a scam, were it not for the fact that the number police called from is an actual police station number...so it sounded legit. I even told the officer I'm leaving today and he said "ok, you do what you have to do, but call the father since he wants to press charges".

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:57 pm)

Oh shoot now they only have the 17 year olds phone that sent the nudes to that phone where you said "oh baby I want to stick my **** in your ******"....but hey you destroyed the phone so no problem...no problem at all...

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:00 pm)

Actually in the messages there is NOTHING sexually explicit in language, only 1 pic that was nude. You keep making stuff up for some reason.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:10 pm)

What did I make up. You exchanged nude pictures with a minor. What am I missing?

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:12 pm)

THIS: "where you said "oh baby I want to stick my **** in your ******"...." I said NOTHING like that at any point.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:20 pm)

Well give me some poetic liberty here in my sarcasm. Honestly you made a real real real poor decision that will likely result incarceration in prison. Not jail...but fudge canal rape prison. It sucks but its likely at this point. Get your affairs in order.

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taxman128 (Mar 21, 2018 - 6:52 pm)

Man arrested for sending nude pictures through text

http://www.nbc12.com/story/16987576/man-arrested-for-sending-nude-pics-through-text

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dilemma2018 (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:03 pm)

Assuming this story and facts are true, then you, Sir, are potentially in a world of trouble. When it comes to this area of criminal law, States have become much more aggressive on arrests and prosecutions. Now, from what I have read in this chain, you were visiting someone that neither knew the others name, and you borrowed his phone without consent to engage in a pic swap with what turned out to be a minor, correct? Strange fact scenario, but ok if you say so.

The act of destroying the phone really doesn't matter at this point--that's like saying well I dumped the gun off the bridge so they have no case. The minor has her phone which shows what pics/texts were being sent and to whose number. I don't believe your friend would be willing to take the fall for you so he would cooperate to the best of his ability to help the police identify you. Lots of defendants try destroying their phone when they know they are being investigated.

Also, once you are identified, it won't be that hard to secure a felony warrant then request extradition from wherever you live. Most countries aren't going to try to protect you from that type of charge.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:11 pm)

Thanks for this answer. Yes, I have stated everything here factually true. Yes, I borrowed his phone without consent. So will the police go to him? He doesn't know my full name or details about me though.

And also, how can police find him with just a cell phone number? I didn't give an exact address either in the texts to the 17 year old. I told her what street we were going to meet on.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:18 pm)

Your cell phone has a bill associated with it (or his mind you). The bill has an address on it. That address also has with it an associated name. They are going to find the guy for the cell phone. That's pretty simple. Your friend will then give you up and point to your online profile. That online profile has metatags attached and an email associated with it. Basically they are going to find you one way or another.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:23 pm)

OK but he told me the bill is in his parents name and he doesn't live at his parents address...they live in another state in fact. apparently his family pays for several phones under one account.

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pauperesq (Mar 22, 2018 - 9:56 am)

You really think his parents won't tell the police who he is and where he lives?

I agree with everyone else in this thread. Tracing this back to you is not going to be difficult. A barely competent investigator can figure this out in a day or less.

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cocolawyer (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:16 pm)

Credited. I will add one note. He knew she was 17 years old at the time of exchanging the naked pictures.

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specv313 (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:46 pm)

You really think OP is gonna be extradited for sending one picture of his dong to some 17 year old? Get real. Even if he was, since "actual sex" with a 17 year old is legal in the jurisdiction OP was in (as it is in many states) I have a hard time believing a jury is gonna be outraged at what happened here. Please.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:49 pm)

Exactly...I don't think police in a major city are going to go through ALL that for one pic sent anonymously to a 17 year old.

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thirdtierlaw (Mar 21, 2018 - 7:54 pm)

It's weird they wanted you to call the father. Contrary to popular belief, it's not up to citizens to decide whether or not to press charges, the state can and many times will bring charges against a victim's wishes.

Opening up your friend to either aiding or obstruction charges, maybe both, was idiotic as well.

In almost all states and federally solicitation of child pornography is a strict liability crime. You either did it or not. But here you knew she was 17 so that isn't an issue.

Your friend is going to be psyched once he gets arrested and you've left the country.

Honest question, how did you not know sending a nude picture to an underaged girl was illegal?

I doubt you'll be extradited over this though.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 8:00 pm)

Yes -- I thought it was so strange that the police didn't press charges themselves and that they called not only today but also last night to tell me the girl was in some "accident". The "police" who talked to me kept insisting I call the father and "sort it out". The father was just belligerent and apparently he wanted me to pay for damages in exchange for not reporting it. Weird.

By the way I didn't "solicit" pics from her -- she sent them automatically first.

As to your question, I honestly just wasn't thinking as I usually do and she seemed so eager...but again, at the same time for some reason I feel this is quite a scam...especially the father texting me and threatening me with a lawsuit and then "asking" me for money in exchange for not reporting me. I don't know, all of this just bizarre...and I'm still finding it weird that police would contact me. Another weird thing: the girl is white...totally white and BOTH the father and the "police" who spoke to me sound African-American. It could very well be possible that all of this is a scam and they are just calling from a phone in the police station.

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thirdtierlaw (Mar 21, 2018 - 8:56 pm)

It's not impossible to spoof numbers. I also don't believe a police officer would ever tell you that the father just wants you to pay for the accident.

I've seen police say, "just go pay for the soda you stole," or "just pay back the money for the bad check," etc. But the idea of them saying, "hey go pay for this expensive thing that is completely unrelated to what we may charge you with" strikes me as odd. It's essentially saying, "go bribe this girls father."

But there are a million different factors here that will vary from state to state. I'm not sure what the legal system is like where you're from, (don't tell us where you're from), but In case it is different, the law can and will vary dramatically from state to state and federal circuit to federal circuit, so though many of us handle these kinds of issues, just remember that this is all general informational advice and not actual legal advice. If you're in a major city, it may not hurt you to look up crim law attorneys who offer free consults, and see if they'll chat with you briefly before you go to the airport, and that way if you show up and the police are waiting for you, you have someone you can retain almost instantly who will already be aware of your situation and can step right in at the processing stage.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:02 pm)

Yes and you know what else I found totally weird? Last night when I saw the incoming call from the police, I did not answer the phone. But the caller kept calling, was insistent non-stop so I thought it may perhaps be the young lady calling me...to say she wasn't coming. But no, it was some "detective" guy, African-American voice (I mention this because the picture the girl sent me is of a white female) telling me "ohh I am just calling you to know if you know who her guardian or parent is...she has been involved in a TERRIBLE accident! I felt really really bad about that...but I told him I didn't know her and he said "no, but you were in cahoots with her, right"? I said: yes, we WERE going to meet. He then said "thank you sir" and I wished him luck in the "investigation".

Then today I get a call again from the same number...and what a "coincidence" it was immediately after the "father" texted me...which makes it sounds so suspicious. He then told me about this all over again, telling me to "call the father" and all that...and then the father telling me "you know my daughter is sitting in her room crying, she stole my car just to see you yesterday". I mean if she was involved in a TERRIBLE accident, SHE WOULDNT BE SITTING IN HER ROOM CRYING...she'd be in the hospital at best, or dead.

And no, I won´t say where I´m from, of course not. I really appreciate your comment here. My flight will depart soon so I´ll check later this week for more responses. Thanks again.

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thirdtierlaw (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:23 pm)

It's extremely unlikely they'd give the father your phone number, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an attempt to get you to admit that you were the one sexting her.

But I want to address your post above. If this isn't a scam, and it is sounding more suspicious with each of your posts, they have a very easy case.

They will easily track down your friend who will say that not only did you take his phone, you admitted to him what happened, at least one officer heard your voice, and they'll have all the messages from either the girl's phone or phone company.

Once again though, it's a stretch the believe they'll go through the headache of extradition. Especially if they don't have your full name. Besides the extradition process, they'll need to go to the airport, get the passenger list from the flight you're on, assuming your friend knows, if not they are grabbing flight info from many flights. Then needing to find someone with your first and possible last name. It isn't impossible, or even that hard, however if you and the girl were in a major city, then that is a lot of police hours for something pretty minor, even if the charges are serious and carry serious possible time.

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dingbat (Mar 21, 2018 - 8:14 pm)

Sounds like a scam to me.

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nycop (Mar 21, 2018 - 9:32 pm)

Yup. Classic scam. Let me guess, if you pay a fine they’ll drop the charges.
Do not give them your real name or Facebook info. Another side to this scam is they’ll threaten to send the pic to your friends if you don’t pay them (provided you sent her a pic naked, showing your face)

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loser12 (Mar 22, 2018 - 11:43 am)

It's possible the girl never existed, and you should count yourself likely.

Let's look at what happened here:

1.) A 17 year old girl who is presumably attractive contacts you, and sends nude pictures. Not someone on her football team but some random guy on the internet. Unless you had a real connection - days of chatting and back forth with her emotionally confiding in you or you're very good looking, this also doesn't add up.

2.) Then you send her a nude - was this a dick pic? Did it show your body? Do you have a great body? If not, it's very unlikely she would've wanted this picture even if she wanted to bang you. Women generally like sending nude pics to men they trust and like, because they want them to make them feel sexy. The turn on is normally from a man they desire desiring them. It's much rarer for them to want the man to send a return pic or get much from it.

3.) She just happens to get into a car accident on her way over to you. This is a 1:1000 scenario compounded onto a situation that's already suspect.

4.) The police, despite having your address call you, instead of coming to your residence. All this does is put you on notice you're suspected in a terrible crime. Although the police can still find you and extradite you, this makes their job much more difficult. Why cause excess stress for themselves? This just doesn't make much sense (but police are dumb).

5.) They insinuate you can take care of this with the family directly. Soliciting sex from a minor is a very serious crime. There's no way they'd suggest you pay the father off. Even if the police were corrupt, they'd at least want the transaction to benefit them.

In totality, this is 99% likely to be a scam.

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qdllc (Mar 22, 2018 - 1:14 pm)

My 2 cents. Go home. Tell no one. See what ever happens. Sounds like a scam, so that’s your one ray of hope.

And if you EVER visit a foreign country, NEVER assume that you know the local laws on anything.

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wolfman (Mar 22, 2018 - 1:26 pm)

180.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 22, 2018 - 1:32 pm)

** UPDATE **

Hello everyone -- I read your responses and thank you for them. To those who said this is a scam, you are 100% right. I actually found THIS link and those recordings and voices and descriptions of the scam are EXACTLY what they did to me. The link is below. Check it out because it's actually a fairly good way of catching someone off guard.

As for me, I knew there was just something fishy about the whole thing ever since police contacted me over the phone rather than trying to come for me.

Yes, I consider myself very lucky in any case. As you will see from the descriptions, they match mine: they have a heavy Southern or African-American accent usually, many of the numbers are from South Carolina (just like the number that called me from the alleged "father") and they use "SIR" a LOT.

@nycop: Yep, they asked me to pay for the car damages. When the man said "so are you going to help me with this"? I said "no, of course not, good luck getting me an "arrest warrant" and he hung up.

@loser12: Exactly. Check out the link below and you will see how they operate. There are many links there with voice messages, etc...ALL deep Southern accents, etc.

http://www.thedailyscam.com/your-worst-nightmare-sexting-a-minoror-so-you-think/

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loser12 (Mar 22, 2018 - 3:40 pm)

With the amount of work that goes into this, they could just get sales jobs. Seems like a lot of work and a lot of risk.

Not to mention that this isn't some tribal village in Zimbabwe. If a father thinks a grown man diddled his daughter, $1,800 isn't going to make it right. Look at the Michigan gymnast scandal. Do you think the father who tried to attack Larry Nassar would've said all's good if Nasser paid him $1,800?

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caj111 (Mar 22, 2018 - 4:53 pm)

I tell you, this has to be the most entertaining thread I've read on here in a real long time and a rather bizarre kind of scam. My only question is, how did dalocummelioribus (who I assume did not go to law school) come to find this site and why would he be asking for advice on it? Not the most ideal place for a legal consultation. Not to mention, posting details about what he did could have incriminated him, if it wasn't all a scam.

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wolfman (Mar 22, 2018 - 8:18 pm)

OP has posted on here before and may or may not have gone to a US law school... his story about being a foreigner is consistent, he used to ask questions about returning abroad and not paying school loans... I think, just going off memory here, I don't keep tabs on who says what

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wutwutwut (Mar 23, 2018 - 9:51 am)

Remember something like him being an international man of mystery, having multiple identities in different countries.

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parlance (Mar 23, 2018 - 1:15 am)

I'd like to know how in the good God you actually could have obliged this 17-year-old girl when she asked for naked pics. Putting aside legal questions (age of consent, child porn statutes), a girl that age is usually still very much under a parent's dominion and supervision and there are some ANGRY parents out there who would think it their God-given right to just plain come after you even if you had not broken any laws. I'm a man as well and I sure have my weaknesses when it comes to women but, not mincing words here, you were DUMB. Dumb as a bag of rocks.

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dalocummelioribus (Mar 23, 2018 - 11:01 am)

@parlance: I know that about the parents and how they could be enraged, but in fact in that state I was in, 17 IS A LEGAL AGE OF CONSENT. I could care less about the parents and anyway, I did not provide an address or real name. And the only dumb thing I did was send a naked pic (Faceless). Anyways, it doesn't matter anymore...it was a scam and I have nothing to worry about at this point.

@caj111: I have posted here before and no, I am not a lawyer but I initially participated in this forum because I was interested in knowing more about US law schools, job prospects, etc. I have visited the US many times (And lived there).

@wolfman: I took care of the loan situation at this point. All good.

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loser12 (Mar 23, 2018 - 11:42 am)

People do dumb things. I'm much more concerned that many licensed attorneys didn't pick up on the logical oddities in OP's story. Knowing the law is only part of advising clients. The other part is common sense.

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shuiz (Mar 24, 2018 - 7:00 pm)

Exactly.

It’s been years since I handled PD cases, but one important skill was being able to spot the bullish-t in the first interview.

This whole thing was suspicious from the very first post.

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