Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

No Complaining.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/04/hig h-lsat-scorers-are-back-a wearyattorney04/09/18
"[H]e’s the only politician in the last 30 years that is s legalace04/09/18
And the terrible thing is, they've got the high-LSAT kids to wolfman04/09/18
Big law went to 180 about a year ago... Top talent is back. triplesix04/09/18
This is why continued coverage is important. The decline was 3lol04/09/18
There are now too many applicants banking on making big law trijocker04/09/18
“When I applied to LS, there was no information on how big trickydick04/09/18
There wasn’t this level of information, that’s why when wearyattorney04/09/18
My understanding is that the LSAT is normalized - that is, t doublefriedchicken04/09/18
The house always wins, but that's a fair point above about t 6figuremistake04/09/18
The LSAT is normalized between years as well, so scores in b wearyattorney04/09/18
"250k"? Not at Berkeley, Hastings, Irvine, or UCLA: https: legalace04/09/18
wearyattorney (Apr 9, 2018 - 12:08 pm)

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/04/high-lsat-scorers-are-back-and-theyre-dominating-the-law-school-applicant-pool/

If there are any 0Ls reading this, when these vampires take your life, no complaining allowed. When I applied to LS, there was no information on how big of a scam law school is. Now, there is a plethora of information out there. You decided to take the plunge nonetheless. When this ends badly and you harp about how unfair the world is, remember you were warned.

For those of you thinking you are going to fight the President of the United States and win some grandiose victory for the little guy, you won’t. Also, if nothing else, he’s the only politician in the last 30 years that is seriously discussing the issue that will most likely impact your standard of living: China.

At best, and this is if you are lucky, in between preparing discovery demands for your welfare ridden clients as they launch their fifth auto accident law suit, you’ll defend a “migrant” in a cancellation and/or deportation hearing, and you’ll quickly realize that his/her off the books cash compensation, when combined with the bevy of government benefits he/she is collecting for the 3-4 kids (born here), exceeds your take home pay by miles.

You are throwing your life away over something less than a pipe dream and for issues you can’t possibly comprehend.

P.S. It’s a shame third tier reality is down, then these mongrels will really not be able to complain.

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legalace (Apr 9, 2018 - 8:21 pm)

"[H]e’s the only politician in the last 30 years that is seriously discussing the issue that will most likely impact your standard of living...."

He is not seriously discussing any issue.

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wolfman (Apr 9, 2018 - 12:44 pm)

And the terrible thing is, they've got the high-LSAT kids to apply again: https://abovethelaw.com/2018/04/high-lsat-scorers-are-back-and-theyre-dominating-the-law-school-applicant-pool/

It really is awful. The scammers are winning.

I agree with OP: if you go to LS now when the info is out there, you'll get none to very little sympathy from me going forward... caveat emptor!

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triplesix (Apr 9, 2018 - 12:49 pm)

Big law went to 180 about a year ago... Top talent is back.

Tell me media doesn't play a role here haha

I fell for this trick in 2008 haha

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3lol (Apr 9, 2018 - 1:22 pm)

This is why continued coverage is important. The decline was in the face of high-profile articles telling people LS was a losing bet. I haven't seen any of those recently.

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trijocker (Apr 9, 2018 - 1:32 pm)

There are now too many applicants banking on making big law salaries
Read over Law School Admissions Reddit and see how many turn down half or full scholarships to lesser tiered schools and are then taking out 200k in loans because they got into T15 and will pay full sticker price for the regular tuition.
More of you regular posters need to post real life stores about people you have met, and what they ended up doing, such as document review. Someone posted the other day about a new Columbia grad just getting a 60k salary offer out of school. It's dangerous to be stuck with those loans on the mathematical assumption that it is guaranteed you will be able to pay them back with a big salary.

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trickydick (Apr 9, 2018 - 1:42 pm)

“When I applied to LS, there was no information on how big of a scam law school is.”

This is bullsh*t. While prior to the late 2000’s there weren’t entire websites dedicated to publicizing the average attorney’s income, the underemployment rate for attorneys, and other relevant statistics, this information was out there.

If looking for this information was too much trouble for the average law school applicant 15 years ago, they could have just worked at a law firm or at least talked to some attorneys before enrolling in law school right out of undergrad. That’s what I did. I didn’t have to visit a website like this to know that earning even $60k right out of law school is unlikely, that many fresh law school grads have to live with family to make ends meet, or that the legal profession is stressful and demanding.

The fact of the matter is that you’re free to complain about the consequences of the choices that you freely made regardless of when you graduated, but all the complaining in the world isn’t going to improve your situation.

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wearyattorney (Apr 9, 2018 - 1:49 pm)

There wasn’t this level of information, that’s why when the information became public, you had massive enrollment drops and a few law school closures.

If the information was so readily available, that would have happened a long time ago.

There was also the cultural aspect to deal with (which to be fair, exists today too)

Now though... there is plenty of information. A few months ago you would hit law school into a search engineer and Nando’s site popped up.

People should focus on improving a bad situation, but the best course is not to make a bad decision in the first place.

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doublefriedchicken (Apr 9, 2018 - 2:18 pm)

My understanding is that the LSAT is normalized - that is, the same percentage of test takers make each score each year. So you really would expect the that the ratio of scores applying to law school would be the same. The only exception would be if there were not a lot of applicants, you might see some real low scores applying, but that would probably be minor.

So it was likely a strange phenomenon of very high scores not applying. They had to be motivated to take the LSAT and likely prepare, then decided that, despite their great score, they wouldn't go to law school. That's pretty odd and probably a reflection on how bleak law school looked.

But it doesn't really say that smart people are not avoiding law school or anything like that. Based on the rules, if you gave the LSAT to a kindergarten classes only, you are going to get 170+ scores.

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6figuremistake (Apr 9, 2018 - 2:36 pm)

The house always wins, but that's a fair point above about the normalization of LSAT scores.

How about this? We have to be due for a recession within the next few years - probably around the same time these more optimistic kids will graduate. I guess I can look forward to reading the next wave of scam blogs during future lunch breaks.

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wearyattorney (Apr 9, 2018 - 2:48 pm)

The LSAT is normalized between years as well, so scores in between years mean the same thing.

I don’t take pleasure in what’s going to happen to these kids, but it’s ludicrous to go to law school for this reason. They are lighting their life on fire for such a stupid reason.

I can just picture the smug, liberal professor preaching to them about serving the downtrodden as he collects his 250k (courtesy of federally guaranteed student loans) a year for less than half a year’s work. I can’t wait for these kids to go and complain to said professor when law school is over, and they’ll see how quickly the spiel is going to change.

It will be a nice little life lesson for these fools.

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legalace (Apr 9, 2018 - 8:19 pm)

"250k"? Not at Berkeley, Hastings, Irvine, or UCLA:
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?q=PROF-AY-LAW&y=2016

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