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If you can't find work here, go be a solicitor in England

Barbri can help https://barbriqlts.com/ trijocker05/02/18
Hilarious. Because there’s no oversupply of solicitors in dupednontraditional05/02/18
Quite. The legal profession is grossly oversaturated. Nowada limeysolicitor05/03/18
They’re not the ones who get to wear the wigs though, so w therewillbeblood05/03/18
Seems like it is a trophy position, like law professor You' trijocker05/03/18
Even the barristers stopped with the wigs, I think. perkinwarbeck05/03/18
QLTS is for people who already have a job at some major inte onehell05/03/18
Yet foreigners can just come here and get an LLM and sit for trijocker05/03/18
Not exactly. I mean sure in some states like NY they can sit onehell05/03/18
You used to be able to get licensed in England with an Ameri therewillbeblood05/03/18
trijocker (May 2, 2018 - 4:09 pm)

Barbri can help

https://barbriqlts.com/

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dupednontraditional (May 2, 2018 - 4:37 pm)

Hilarious. Because there’s no oversupply of solicitors in the UK...

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limeysolicitor (May 3, 2018 - 4:16 pm)

Quite. The legal profession is grossly oversaturated. Nowadays you need to be sponsored after the qltt so it's not a realistic option.

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therewillbeblood (May 3, 2018 - 10:40 am)

They’re not the ones who get to wear the wigs though, so what’s the point?

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trijocker (May 3, 2018 - 11:05 am)

Seems like it is a trophy position, like law professor
You'd have to go through more schooling to become a Barrister
than the Solicitor program, which it looks like Barbri helps prepare with.

"Although the roles of a solicitor and of a barrister are very similar and involve a lot of interchangeable skills, there are a few clear distinctions. A barrister will take the BPTC, whilst a solicitor does the LPC. A solicitor will give general advice and they are usually the first point of contact. A barrister specialises in certain issues and represents the client in court, the solicitor liaising with both barrister and client.
To become a barrister, you must either read law at university, or a non-law subject and take the GDL (or law conversion course). Ideally, you’ll need to procure a 2:1 or above from a leading university and have excellent extra-curricular activities.

The next step after this is completing the Bar Professional Training Course. The BPTC is a one year full-time course that prepares you for life at the Bar through a range of core subjects and electives. Around 20% of students secure a pupillage before embarking on the BPTC.

During the BPTC you will focus upon several core subjects, which include: criminal advocacy; civil advocacy, drafting, opinion writing, civil litigation and evidence; alternative dispute resolution; criminal litigation, evidence and sentencing; client conferencing; and professional conduct and Ethics. There are also two optional modules. Before you can begin the BPTC course, however, you must join one of the Inns of Court. There are four of these professional associations."

Number of barristers in practice: 15,716

Number of BPTC applications: 2,941

Number of students enrolled on BPTC: 1,565

First six pupillages: 397

Second six pupillages: 448

Called to the Bar: 1,456

https://www.allaboutlaw.co.uk/stage/becoming-a-lawyer/how-to-become-a-barrister

https://www.law.ac.uk/set-for-success/our-alumni/sarah-tilly/

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perkinwarbeck (May 3, 2018 - 10:59 am)

Even the barristers stopped with the wigs, I think.

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onehell (May 3, 2018 - 11:15 am)

QLTS is for people who already have a job at some major international lawfirm or multinational company who want a feather in the cap.

I believe that to actually apply for jobs in the UK off the street or hang a shingle with this license, you would also need work and residency immigration permission (impossible to get without native spouse or employer to sponsor you) AND something they call a "practicing certificate" which requires a lengthy and hard-to-get "articling" (apprenticeship) contract with a firm. Unlike the US, merely passing a test doesn't cut it.

And as others have said, the UK has no shortage of solicitors. Employers would have no need to undertake the lengthy and expensive sponsorship process, and there aren't enough apprenticeship slots for the solicitors they produce natively, much less for QLTS people.

The solicitor/barrister distinction is slowly eroding, I have heard, as solicitors can get appearance rights in some tribunals, but that doesn't change the fact that passing the QLTS conveys no immigration benefit and does not make you competitive for apprenticeship slots.

If you want to move to UK without deep-rooted connections and/or elite credentials, the way to do it is to use our government's limitless lending largesse to get some silly masters degree at a UK university, which of course comes with a student visa. Then, use the time in-country to meet and marry someone with UK citizenship. Then you could at least take the QLTS and try to get an apprenticeship that would lead to a practicing certificate, but actually securing one would still be unlikely for most.

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trijocker (May 3, 2018 - 11:29 am)

Yet foreigners can just come here and get an LLM and sit for the bar.
The LLM for foreign nationals degree seems to be shoring up financially a great number of law schools, particularly those in pleasant areas, where people would like to live.
Too bad that England and Canada make it so difficult to get work in their countries without obtaining some sort of connection or work permit first. Yet the United States is an open door.

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onehell (May 3, 2018 - 1:51 pm)

Not exactly. I mean sure in some states like NY they can sit for the bar, but it's not like a bar card comes with an automatic green card. And that LLM is expensive and few countries have the kind of unlimited student lending that we do, so before they can even think about taking the bar they have to figure out a way to come up with the tuition.

Still gotta find a spouse or employer to sponsor you, and since employers already have plenty of lawyers to choose from for most people the only way in is to marry a native.

Also, it's not even really an international thing, it's more about the profession. This is the only profession I know of where you can get a full, unrestricted license based solely on earning a degree and passing a test. Every other profession (and lawyers in pretty much every other 1st world country) requires thousands of hours of experience before they'll let you practice without supervision.

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therewillbeblood (May 3, 2018 - 6:51 pm)

You used to be able to get licensed in England with an American JD if you passed a test, but they changed it.

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