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This author is so out of touch with reality when it comes to Career Services at law schools

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/05/gra duating-law-school-withou jdcumlaude05/04/18
1. Network: credited but limited ROI. 2. Keeping in touch isthisit05/04/18
0L: "Come to our law school! We can give you all the tools y supercalifragilisti05/04/18
So much truth to this. dupednontraditional05/04/18
What the author says is so basic. However, the article is ab dandydan05/04/18
Keep in touch means we will endlessly pester you alums for d trijocker05/04/18
Lmao this article. If you don’t have a job post graduation irishlaw05/04/18
its Above the Law - not much of any value written there thes youngbuck05/04/18
this thread is why I visit JDU and not AboveTheLaw. themapmaster05/04/18
You mean you don't visit ATL for such great writing as the f supercalifragilisti05/04/18
You learn skills in law school ??? I must have missed th patenttrollnj05/04/18
I networked my way into a job.....when I already had one. onehell05/04/18
But as to the new, unemployed law grad, he doesn't have the themapmaster05/04/18
" ... they were not taught networking in law school" Netw patenttrollnj05/05/18
Above the Law is not worth reading. maverick05/05/18
Couldn’t agree more with the posters above. Networking is turde05/05/18
Couldn’t agree more with the posters above. Networking is turde05/05/18
Networking helps. It’s just that for the most part, it’s pisces21305/05/18
Email David Lat, drop some names, and you get a byline. trollfeeder05/05/18
Someone on this board once posted the below career advice ar drwayoflife05/06/18
Just as in undergrad...you need to be hunting for your first qdllc05/07/18

jdcumlaude (May 4, 2018 - 8:40 am)

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/05/graduating-law-school-without-a-job-lets-have-a-chat-about-that/

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isthisit (May 4, 2018 - 9:32 am)

1. Network: credited but limited ROI.

2. Keeping in touch with your Career Services: This is a waste of time. They're only useful if you lose access to Symplicity and need a new log-in.

3. Learn New skills: That's insulting. I thought my law school taught me all the skills I needed to practice law. Don't waste money on useless skills/certs unless you're learning how to B&E or dance/strip to support yourself while you apply for jobs.

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supercalifragilisti (May 4, 2018 - 4:18 pm)

0L: "Come to our law school! We can give you all the tools you need for a successful career!"

3L: "Man, you like... need to work on yourself to be a more attractive candidate. Good luck, bro."

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dupednontraditional (May 4, 2018 - 10:30 pm)

So much truth to this.

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dandydan (May 4, 2018 - 11:46 am)

What the author says is so basic. However, the article is absolutely pathetic. It is difficult to get a job. Desperate times call for desperate measures. The article posits advice based on a very different legal job market, not on a desperate job market. Networking is good but most will need much more than that. Perhaps write an article that accounts for the realities on the ground, not spewing the same old, traditional tag line applicable to every other industry.

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trijocker (May 4, 2018 - 11:48 am)

Keep in touch means we will endlessly pester you alums for donations

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irishlaw (May 4, 2018 - 12:46 pm)

Lmao this article. If you don’t have a job post graduation just hang a shingle and start your own firm or get a non legal job....

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youngbuck (May 4, 2018 - 12:47 pm)

its Above the Law - not much of any value written there these days, Jeena Cho's drivel about mindfulness, Mark Cuban's post of the week about addiction and lawyering (an interesting subject to read as a one-time feature, not a regular column), and Elie Mystal's never-ending channeling of the Hooper X character from "Chasing Amy"

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themapmaster (May 4, 2018 - 4:37 pm)

this thread is why I visit JDU and not AboveTheLaw.

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supercalifragilisti (May 4, 2018 - 7:11 pm)

You mean you don't visit ATL for such great writing as the following, from the article:

"...any skills that you developed in law school will atrophy at a remarkably quickly [sic] rate."

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patenttrollnj (May 4, 2018 - 8:47 pm)

You learn skills in law school ???

I must have missed that class.

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onehell (May 4, 2018 - 7:05 pm)

I networked my way into a job.....when I already had one.

That's the thing. Networking is something that happens organically; you get to know people over time as your work and other activities just sorta naturally bring you into contact with them.

The kind of networking an unemployed grad needs to do is similar. Most employed people are busy. If some rando asks to take me to lunch I can see from a mile away that they are just desperate for work, so I decline unless I have something available that I am desperate to fill and for which I have no good applicants.

What I would encourage people to do instead is to make the networking more natural. For example, you could volunteer to serve on some nonprofit boards. Chances are, there will be other lawyers or people who know lawyers on them. You need to get to know people naturally.

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themapmaster (May 4, 2018 - 11:10 pm)

But as to the new, unemployed law grad, he doesn't have the time to network "naturally." He needs a job ASAP. Out of law school, unemployed, I wasn't above asking local attorneys if they would agree to meet even though they didn't post a job posting. I didn't ask for a job. I just met and asked questIons, if nothing else as a way to prepare for hanging out a shingle. It's really no big deal. It's a good way to find the lawyers you would want to work for or with, and know. The ones that reply to your request tend to be the ones with above average social skills that are comfortable socializing, which also correlates to a successful law practice. A lot of law grads and lawyers, unfortunately, have poor networking skills, in part because they were not taught networking in law school.

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patenttrollnj (May 5, 2018 - 5:29 pm)

" ... they were not taught networking in law school"

Networking is not really something that can be taught. It's just something you can do, or not do -- much like making friends. If you can't do it instinctively, you'll never really be able to do it effectively.

ALSO, networking requires that someone will want to listen to you. Thus, if you don't have anything attractive to offer someone (like a Harvard law degree, a rich relative, "eye candy" for them to look at, etc.), they won't take you seriously. If they do go through the motions of talking with you, it's either out of pity.

Frankly, this explains why most lawyers don't reply when you attempt to network: you have nothing to offer then, so they don't want to waste their time.

When I graduated law school, I worked at a medical office for a few months until I got my first legal job at an unremarkable insurance defense firm in the suburbs. The only thing this first job cared about was if I had a car so I could make appearances at depositions and hearings, where all I did there was take notes. Any monkey could do this job.

Note: doing clerical work at a doctor's office would probably count as a "JD preferred" job in law school employment surveys.

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maverick (May 5, 2018 - 11:00 am)

Above the Law is not worth reading.

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turde (May 5, 2018 - 5:51 pm)

Couldn’t agree more with the posters above. Networking is effective when you have work experience, connections developed in the industry from that experience, etc. it does not help when you are an outsider trying to get into a field. There are always the exceptions like family connections but cold networking is largely a waste of time. Law school CSO’s know this but they cannot admit they are so useless, so they push the networking e.g. snipe hunt prank on grads.

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turde (May 5, 2018 - 5:51 pm)

Couldn’t agree more with the posters above. Networking is effective when you have work experience, connections developed in the industry from that experience, etc. it does not help when you are an outsider trying to get into a field. There are always the exceptions like family connections but cold networking is largely a waste of time. Law school CSO’s know this but they cannot admit they are so useless, so they push the networking aka snipe hunt prank on grads.

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pisces213 (May 5, 2018 - 6:05 pm)

Networking helps. It’s just that for the most part, it’s like selling insurance. Be honest to yourself. They don’t need you, else they’d have sought you out. Be the iPhone people don’t need but somehow find they could use. At the end, ask if he/she can give you names of other attorneys they think could help you out. That way, your next networking meeting can start a bit more “organically” than the last one.

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trollfeeder (May 5, 2018 - 6:24 pm)

Email David Lat, drop some names, and you get a byline.

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drwayoflife (May 6, 2018 - 9:32 am)

Someone on this board once posted the below career advice article. It's the only piece of advise I've ever seen from a career counselor that's useful.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/201803/31-inconvenient-career-truths

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qdllc (May 7, 2018 - 9:10 am)

Just as in undergrad...you need to be hunting for your first post-graduation job the day you start school. It takes about that long to establish yourself as a prime candidate.

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