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TJSL is moving out of their "beautiful building"

I always knew moving out of the Old Town campus to the count frida205/30/18
Someone texted me an article. I guess no photos in law forum frida205/30/18
It never ceases to amaze me how tenacious these schools are 6figuremistake05/30/18
There’s never any personal accountability. therewillbeblood05/30/18
These schools are staffed by selfless, liberal progressives wearyattorney05/30/18
What, there were still 70 suckers wanting to attend this pla cranky05/30/18
“...the average indebtedness of class of 2017 graduates wa jacob05/30/18
I have met exactly one TJSL graduate. He was a moron who passportfan305/30/18
My solution: remove the federal guarantee on student loans a wearyattorney05/30/18
Virtually every university would immediately have to close. jstalin06/05/18
And? wearyattorney06/05/18
My arbitrary solution: Graduating classes are limited to jmoney06/05/18
There shouldn’t be mandatory controls on the number of law wearyattorney06/06/18
There needs to be some sort of outcome accountability for sc flharfh06/06/18
frida2 (May 30, 2018 - 2:31 pm)

I always knew moving out of the Old Town campus to the country club wasn't going to work out.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/05/law-school-on-probation-to-close-campus-move-to-office-building/

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frida2 (May 30, 2018 - 2:38 pm)

Someone texted me an article. I guess no photos in law forum. For some reason I'm not finding it online. It says enrollment for 1Ls has dropped to 70 from 440 in 2011.

http://www.jdunderground.com/ot/thread.php?threadId=160685#lastpost

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6figuremistake (May 30, 2018 - 3:01 pm)

It never ceases to amaze me how tenacious these schools are in hanging around to soak up every last ill gotten student loan dollar. Charlotte literally needed the state AG office to come after them before they slithered out in the middle the night - despite previously losing student loan eligibility.

I'd have to imagine that any other business in such dire straights would just call it a day rather than renting suite 303 between the Chamber of Commerce and a MetLife office. It's almost like the scam schools will do anything they can just to avoid giving their critics the satisfaction of seeing them close down.

I don't think it's so much that the scam bloggers lost as it is that they were fighting against some sort of otherworldly beast.

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therewillbeblood (May 30, 2018 - 5:24 pm)

There’s never any personal accountability.

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wearyattorney (May 30, 2018 - 3:27 pm)

These schools are staffed by selfless, liberal progressives that have the greater good in mind. The professors forwent millions of dollars in private sector income to make sure that minorities, women, and the disenfranchised have access to education and justice. It’s a travesty fine institutions such as this are struggling like this, we could use graduates of this school to fight the evil Donald Trump and conservatives in general.

Suggesting that these schools, funded by guaranteed federal loan dollars and subject to minimal market price controls, should some how close is racist, xenophobic and backwards. California should immediately raises taxes on rich attorneys, eg rich solos making 120k a year gross with no benefits, 250k in loans and a 2k a month nut in rent, to facilitate this. The average American family only makes 40k a year, so these fat cats paying more to save our future progressive warriors is completely warranted.

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cranky (May 30, 2018 - 4:27 pm)

What, there were still 70 suckers wanting to attend this place?!

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jacob (May 30, 2018 - 4:35 pm)

“...the average indebtedness of class of 2017 graduates was $198,962 (the highest of all law schools that reported debt figures to U.S. News)...”

Amazing. Why would anyone do this to themselves?

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passportfan3 (May 30, 2018 - 8:18 pm)

I have met exactly one TJSL graduate.

He was a moron who seemed too dumb to breath, a middle-aged "I'll become a lawyer in mid-life" schlub loser who worked as the only associate for a spitlaw solo who was, in turn, no genius.

My solution: Every state gets one public law school. The biggest states get two or three. And the top 25 private schools can stay open. Everyone else closes.

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wearyattorney (May 30, 2018 - 11:04 pm)

My solution: remove the federal guarantee on student loans and restore bankruptcy protection. These debacles will be over in less than a year.

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jstalin (Jun 5, 2018 - 3:07 pm)

Virtually every university would immediately have to close.

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wearyattorney (Jun 5, 2018 - 4:21 pm)

And?

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jmoney (Jun 5, 2018 - 10:00 pm)

My arbitrary solution:

Graduating classes are limited to no more than 300 JD candidates.

There can only be 100 law schools.

100 X 300 = 30,000. 30k is about the number of entry level attorney positions each year.

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1. The top 50 get to strut in and live.

2. Then, whichever states don't have a law school in the top 50 get to pick one law school to survive.

3. Then, the remainder is filled by the highest ranking law schools not in categories 1 or 2.

SHUT THE REST DOWN.

I also like passportfan3's solution.

We'd also get there by shutting down federal loan guarantees. But that's never going to happen.

Make all the soon to be unemployed law professors shine shoes.

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wearyattorney (Jun 6, 2018 - 2:49 pm)

There shouldn’t be mandatory controls on the number of law schools, law graduates, etc. If we advocate for that, we are no better than the law school professors that want their government guaranteed paychecks.

If by shut down you mean limit government funding, I wholeheartedly agree, but I wouldn’t exempt any school from limited funding, top 50 or otherwise.

Lawyers shouldn’t be protected anymore than any other group, but what’s going on here is complete absurdity: the federal government writing a blank check to law schools and artificially destroying the legal market in the first place, all so that pampered law school professors can have a job.

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flharfh (Jun 6, 2018 - 3:03 pm)

There needs to be some sort of outcome accountability for schools that take government student loans. If you are charging 200k for a degree and only 33% of your graduates are able to find employment in the field, the government should not be letting students spend student loan $ to attend your school.

The bottom 50 or so schools would close very quickly if reasonable outcome standards were put in place and others would shrink significantly.

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