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Arizona Summit loses accreditation

http://www.abajournal.com/news/arti cle/arizona_summit_loses_ kaneloa06/12/18
Good news but pretty depressing that it took so long for thi 6figuremistake06/13/18
Now it's time to close the unranked schools (unless it is a esquirewalletsmatter06/13/18
The private equity firm who ran it is probably happy it last therewillbeblood06/13/18
It should have never been accredited. isthisit06/13/18
good news hope decision holds against any challenges m wolfman06/13/18
I love that our shared hatred of law school scams brings JDU brassica706/13/18
This is the school that paid its low performing grads to NOT flharfh06/13/18
Everytime I see the name "Arizona Summit", I can't help but 2tierreality06/13/18
Any school that regularly admits students with LSATs in the onehell06/13/18
Agreed. My school now falls into that category. When I atten notiers06/14/18
"somehow they keep the bar passage high enough to avoid scru onehell06/14/18
"If you can get enough sad misguided schmucks to enroll that wutwutwut06/14/18
kaneloa (Jun 12, 2018 - 10:41 pm)

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/arizona_summit_loses_accreditation_approval_which_may_be_a_first_for_operat

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6figuremistake (Jun 13, 2018 - 8:26 am)

Good news but pretty depressing that it took so long for this diploma mill to be shut down.

"Arizona Summit’s bar pass rate for July 2017 was 20.1 percent, according to data released by the Arizona Supreme Court, and its February 2018 pass rate was 19.8 percent.

Full-time tuition at the law school is $45,354 and part-time tuition is $36,692 for the 2017-18 academic year, according to its website."

I can't believe (well actually I can) that the president of Summit can say with a straight face that the school deserves any further consideration. They charge over $40k a year for a one in five shot of just passing the bar (let alone getting any type of meaningful legal work). If any non-subsidized business had these results, it would be either out of business or the owners would have been arrested for fraudulent business practices long ago.

I'm waiting for the Stephen Diamond piece decrying this action as it deprives future students access to the accelerating Phoenix legal market.

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esquirewalletsmatter (Jun 13, 2018 - 8:31 am)

Now it's time to close the unranked schools (unless it is a regional hub). Fact of the matter is most of these kids do not stand a chance. Stumble out the gate and one never recovers. Hell, even with a regional hub. I love my school and the legal education I received, made me what I am today. However, trying to find employment outside that region absent fortuitous circumstances is next to impossible. Though I remain active, I will likely never practice in my barred state again. It's fine by me, but something one doesn't think about when starting off school.

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therewillbeblood (Jun 13, 2018 - 9:40 am)

The private equity firm who ran it is probably happy it lasted that long.

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isthisit (Jun 13, 2018 - 9:56 am)

It should have never been accredited.

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wolfman (Jun 13, 2018 - 12:26 pm)

good news

hope decision holds against any challenges

more scam "schools" to the chopping block please

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brassica7 (Jun 13, 2018 - 1:33 pm)

I love that our shared hatred of law school scams brings JDUers of all political stripes together. May Arizona Summit promptly go bankrupt!

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flharfh (Jun 13, 2018 - 4:37 pm)

This is the school that paid its low performing grads to NOT take the bar exam so the bar passage statistics would look as good as possible.

https://abovethelaw.com/2015/07/law-school-dean-allegedly-begged-graduates-not-to-take-the-bar-exam-on-the-day-before-the-test/

Glad this farce has finally ended.

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2tierreality (Jun 13, 2018 - 7:03 pm)

Everytime I see the name "Arizona Summit", I can't help but think it must be in the same class of school as Indiana Basin Silt.

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onehell (Jun 13, 2018 - 7:32 pm)

Any school that regularly admits students with LSATs in the 140s and GPAs below 3.0 is admitting people who are going to have a very hard time passing the bar. Many of the 4th tier schools are in this boat, but they only seem to pursue the for-profit ones. Low hanging fruit I guess.

Still, even small steps in the right direction are good to see.

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notiers (Jun 14, 2018 - 7:01 am)

Agreed. My school now falls into that category. When I attended you needed a low to mid 150. They now take people with high 140s. It’s absurd. Yet, Somehow, they have kept the bar pass rate just high enough to avoid scrutiny. That said, while they are avoiding scrutiny, the bar pass rates are way down from when they refused to admit students with 140s on the LSAT.

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onehell (Jun 14, 2018 - 2:16 pm)

"somehow they keep the bar passage high enough to avoid scrutiny."

Yep. They do that. ABA standard 316 says your law school is OK if your pass rate is no more than 15% below statewide average over 5 years with an additional 2 years to bring it up (or bring the statewide average down) if you fall below.

If it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious: You can get out of trouble for admitting unqualified students by simply admitting more of them over the course of several years! If you can get enough sad misguided schmucks to enroll that it brings the whole state down, you win.

AZ Summit just couldn't get big enough fast enough to bring down the statewide average, especially since the only other law schools in the state are the reasonably reputable University of AZ and AZ State.

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wutwutwut (Jun 14, 2018 - 6:08 pm)

"If you can get enough sad misguided schmucks to enroll that it brings the whole state down, you win. "


Yep. I haven't looked in a few years but back when ITLSS was running I took FL bar pass data and did it with/without FAMU, Florida Coastal and whichever other one was a barrel bottom scraper (may have been Barry). I don't remember the exact number now, but it was a decent shift in overall passage rates, something over 10%.

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