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I’m an attorney for a fed agency. Position is advisory, so boredfed07/18/18
Learn a foreign language and do doc reviews. The pay for in snowday7507/18/18
This can work if you get lucky. I made 100k in a 7 month spa jurisdocreviewer07/18/18
I've cleared six figures doing foreign-language doc review f shithead07/19/18
My Japanese is solid. But I work at a university in Japan a shuiz07/20/18
Usually, yes, although occasionally there are remote jobs. J shithead07/20/18
what agency? are they hiring? how do i get this gig? blackholelaw07/19/18
If you want someone to show you, you can go to a local attor nycatt07/20/18
I used to work for Themis grading essays and made a little e govlaw07/19/18
How about enjoying your free time? You make six figures, why trollfeeder07/19/18
Run a detective agency with a former fashion model? 80S J therewillbeblood07/20/18
Please do this and then hire me. isthisit07/20/18
The census will be hiring bigly blergfergins07/20/18
If you have the body for it, there's always the pole. isthisit07/20/18
There is a lot of good info in this thread on foreign langua wolfenstein07/20/18
2/10. fourteen replies and two of them answer the question a whiteguyinchina07/21/18
Your best bet is retail real estate closings. I'm sure plen dingbat07/21/18
boredfed (Jul 18, 2018 - 4:49 pm)

I’m an attorney for a fed agency. Position is advisory, so no court. I basically make my own schedule. I’m able to work from home a couple of times a week. Some days are very slow—as in I write 2 emails, read the news, and chat with colleagues. That’s the entire day. Boring as hell, but I’ll never leave it. I make 129k with fed benefits and in 4 years I’ll get PSLF (if it survives).

I’m allowed to practice in other areas for myself so long as it doesn’t involve representing clients before any fed agency, any criminal matters, and any immigration matters. That basically leaves family, real estate, and wills/estates. Any advice on how to get started in those areas on a part-time basis (I.e. finding a mentor to show me the ropes)?

How about suggestions for non-law side gigs? I tried Uber, but didn’t find it to be a good use of time.

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snowday75 (Jul 18, 2018 - 4:51 pm)

Learn a foreign language and do doc reviews. The pay for in demand languages is insane.

Much better ROI to learn the language and review than learn one of the many oversaturated areas of law where you can charge bottom shelf rates.

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jurisdocreviewer (Jul 18, 2018 - 4:58 pm)

This can work if you get lucky. I made 100k in a 7 month span bouncing back and forth from DC to NYC working lots of overtime. You can also use the downtime between reviews (if the market gets slow for your language) to study a new language full time to expand your options. Best bang for your buck regarding time is to study a language that’s in demand that is closely related to one you already know. All the review companies care about is reading fluency, I’ve been on projects where people couldn’t even stutter out a sentence in the target language, but they could read it well enough to review. Still is a risky strategy given how unstable foreign language doc review is.

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shithead (Jul 19, 2018 - 1:45 pm)

I've cleared six figures doing foreign-language doc review for the past several years, mostly in DC and NYC. German is probably the most bang for the buck, with lots of projects and a good hourly ($60-65, often with OT). Dutch is $80, and Nordic languages are $90. Unfortunately, projects in these languages tend to be short, and relatively scarce. Portuguese is another good one, with lots of FCPA work coming out of Brazil, usually for $65. There's always work in Spanish, but Spanish pays less than any other foreign language, at $45-55. French isn't much better, but there's lots of work. There's a decent amount of work in Italian, usually at $60-65. Japanese is the gold standard, $100-120 and OT, but you are not going to learn to read Japanese overnight, or even in a year.

Foreign-language work is unstable with only one language, but if you diversify in a smart way, you can be on projects 45 weeks of the year or more.

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shuiz (Jul 20, 2018 - 2:52 am)

My Japanese is solid. But I work at a university in Japan and I wouldn't give up this job for the world. I'm guessing that doc review jobs are on site only, right?

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shithead (Jul 20, 2018 - 8:55 am)

Usually, yes, although occasionally there are remote jobs. Japanese reviewers have more leverage than any other doc reviewers out there, with the possible exception of those who know Scandinavian languages. Both groups are tight, refuse to work below a certain rate, and don't take any chit.

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blackholelaw (Jul 19, 2018 - 12:12 pm)

what agency? are they hiring? how do i get this gig?

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nycatt (Jul 20, 2018 - 2:02 pm)

If you want someone to show you, you can go to a local attorney and offer to do some free appearance work in exchange for walking you through a few a cases. It is great for him if he has two appearances on the same day or has an emergency, and it is free to teach you.


You can definitely teach yourself wills below the death tax amount (4M I think) with 20 hours of CLEs. Those are easy to fit in time wise and take a few hours plus an intake session unless there is some completed scheme, which is usually not the case. Usually its give everything to my wife, and if we die at same time, $ to guardian in trust for kids to the kids, and so & so will be guardian of kids if we both die. If there are prior marriages or gobs of money, you need to put your thinking cap on for a minute.

Also, check your court, I think in NYC they had a voluntary family things where you volunteer (and they end up teaching you)

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govlaw (Jul 19, 2018 - 12:25 pm)

I used to work for Themis grading essays and made a little extra money. It was easy to do while “at work” for my full time gig that had a similar workload as yours.

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trollfeeder (Jul 19, 2018 - 1:25 pm)

How about enjoying your free time? You make six figures, why would you sign up for uber?

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therewillbeblood (Jul 20, 2018 - 11:51 am)

Run a detective agency with a former fashion model?

80S JOKE YEAH

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isthisit (Jul 20, 2018 - 5:51 pm)

Please do this and then hire me.

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blergfergins (Jul 20, 2018 - 1:28 pm)

The census will be hiring bigly

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isthisit (Jul 20, 2018 - 1:55 pm)

If you have the body for it, there's always the pole.

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wolfenstein (Jul 20, 2018 - 6:10 pm)

There is a lot of good info in this thread on foreign language DR, but I dunno why you guys are telling OP to learn a language to do it as a side gig; the vast majority of foreign language DR is on-site only and during busienss hours, so even if he learns a language, he won't really be able to pick up evening or weekend work, and doing it remotely is kind of pipe dream...

I am seriously thinking of learning another marketable language, but it's not for moonlighting, it's to keep the lights on if I leave my cirrent dead-end job...

Doing somthing transactional and low-stress in the off hours seems like the credited response for OP... or pick up a hobby you enjoy?

EDIT: admin is this cool? I promise to be good.

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whiteguyinchina (Jul 21, 2018 - 2:50 am)

2/10. fourteen replies and two of them answer the question asked.

let me help

for LAW jobs

family, real estate, and wills/estates. Any advice on how to get started in those areas on a part-time basis (I.e. finding a mentor to show me the ropes)?

for NON LAW jobs

suggestions for part time non law gigs.


PLEASE NOTE OP HAS A FLEXIBLE FULL TIME JOB, SO HE CANNOT TAKE ON A SECOND FULL TIME JOB AT THE SAME TIME.

hence the title, MOONLIGHTING OPTIONS. moonlighting is an old term which means after work work, usually in the evenings.

thanks guys. let's try again, shall we.

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dingbat (Jul 21, 2018 - 9:24 am)

Your best bet is retail real estate closings. I'm sure plenty of people would love to be able to sign their documents at night - and therefore not need to take time off of work. Maybe talk to one of the real estate closing mills about working part-time for them on that basis.

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