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Anyone Practice in Los Angeles?

I might move to L.A. I lived there before for years so I kno jdization01/22/12
There are a couple SoCal people here, myself included, but d Frida201/22/12
LA is severely oversaturated with lawyers. You would be a f SchilledandBilled01/22/12
I know 3 ppl who graduated from Loyola LA fairly recently. O kmass01/23/12
Thanks for the feedback. I am not 100% psyched to move ba jdization01/23/12
If you're from an out-of-state regional school, it would be SchilledandBilled01/23/12
Agreed. I am living this problem first hand, chasing IP law. Mnem01/23/12
LA is pretty much saturated in pretty much everything. You BallSoHard01/24/12
I work in Los Angeles (Beverly Hills). I was admitted in Nov FrankDux01/24/12
Everyone's information is very helpful. Keep it coming if y jdization01/25/12
I also practice in LA. I've found it actually easier to get 2BreedBares01/25/12
The thing I like about L.A. is the weather. If your car blow jdization01/25/12
I heard there are a lot of gangs down there. tolietdegree01/25/12
LA here. Personal injury. subprimeJD01/25/12
Know anything about settlement $$s for burns, coffee, and ai Mnem01/26/12
LA is not bad compared to the Bay Area. I have recruiters sa stuntman01/25/12
My sense is the Bay Area/NorCal is bad and getting worse. I' shitlawsf01/26/12
I've been a Bay Area guy all my life but had to move to LA f 2BreedBares01/26/12
I have out of the job in LA ever since I quit my intolerable hoofhooflaw01/26/12
I found my job through the Daily Journal classifieds...indee 2BreedBares01/26/12
The Daily Journal? Seriously? OP, you won't find a job o sandawg01/26/12
I'm just stating my experience. The employers who post on D 2BreedBares01/26/12
I don't doubt your story, but consider yourself lucky. sandawg01/26/12
OP, I practice in LA at smallish-firm doing corporate defens doxie01/26/12
Thanks everyone for your feedback. I was reminded of how jdization01/29/12
Any 5 year updates from anybody on this thread? shitlawsf09/23/17
Make around 10k a month for state agency in LA. 2breedbares09/24/17
PI defense. Used to do PI plaintiff. ambulancechaser201309/23/17
I saw news about a guy posted a craiglist ad in LA area look mrlollipop09/24/17
I think the entry level market has improved since 2015. You ambulancechaser201309/24/17

jdization (Jan 22, 2012 - 12:48 pm)

I might move to L.A. I lived there before for years so I know the culture and living environment well. Does anyone know what it is like to practice in L.A.? It seems like you wouldn't run into the same lawyer twice, or even be remembered by too many judges. I wonder if I could hang out in the courthouse (traffic) with a big billboard strapped to myself that reads, "$50 and I'll file your papers at the attorneys' window -- there's no waiting in a long line for me." I've seen how long the lines are for the unrepresented ticket holders.

Maybe I'll just put a folding table outside the courthouse and offer my services as a last minute traffic ticket lawyer. My slogan could be, " Come on, it's only $50; and it includes a free espresso." I could work on volume.

In all seriousness, I was at the law library yesterday in another city researching jury verdicts using their free online search services. I couldn't believe how big the jury awards were for plaintiffs who had contracted herpes, and other forms of VD from others. Try six and seven figure awards. A niche to consider. Maybe I'll look for those kind of cases.

Crap. HerpesLawyer.com is taken.

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Frida2 (Jan 22, 2012 - 8:18 pm)

There are a couple SoCal people here, myself included, but don't know if anyone currently posting is practicing in LA. I've done a couple special appearances there in criminal cases. Good luck!

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SchilledandBilled (Jan 22, 2012 - 9:23 pm)

LA is severely oversaturated with lawyers. You would be a fool to move there. I'm planning on relocating soon because it's so bad.

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kmass (Jan 23, 2012 - 2:50 am)

I know 3 ppl who graduated from Loyola LA fairly recently. One tried unsuccessfully to break into employment law, and now does career counseling at a community college. Another worked in Biglaw for 2 years, hated it, did temp work for a few years and hung up a shingle last year (no word on how that's going). The third works part-time in shitlaw, tutors LSAT on the side. I know one person who went to Berkeley and does patent litigation, and is quite well-off, but is a walking anxiety attack and hates her life. One older attorney (not sure where he went to school) operates a labor law firm with 12 associates and is fat-&-happy. A friend of mine who just graduated Pepperdine (law review, respectable clerkships) had a PI job lined up before graduation and is grateful for it. I know one lady who went to Hastings and does decently well in real estate law, total workaholic with no family but she swears she loves the work. I know one who graduated from some crappy school in Texas, found a midlaw job in Los Angeles through family connections, hated it, now makes a nice living in TV production. I knew a 3L at Southwestern who was interning at the DA's office, hoping for a job offer but we lost touch before I found out if she got one. I know a 3L at USC with nothing lined up. Overall it's an incredibly saturated market, but in a way this helps de-stigmatize the unemployed JD (there are so MANY of them around here), and it's possible to find gainful employment in other areas. Hope this helps.

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jdization (Jan 23, 2012 - 5:27 pm)

Thanks for the feedback.

I am not 100% psyched to move back there (lived there for 10 years before going to law school). I just don't know where else to go. Everyone I know has left where I am now. They either died or moved out of state. If I stay put, I see myself ending up going under. Abandon ship.

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SchilledandBilled (Jan 23, 2012 - 9:57 pm)

If you're from an out-of-state regional school, it would be incredibly foolish to move to LA. For god's sake stay in your region if possible; you'll have much better chances there. I know plenty of people who graduated from UCLA and USC without jobs.

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Mnem (Jan 23, 2012 - 9:58 pm)

Agreed. I am living this problem first hand, chasing IP law. It's taken me three years to make inroads into the right sorts of networks and industries to start to find work.

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BallSoHard (Jan 24, 2012 - 8:14 pm)

LA is pretty much saturated in pretty much everything. You have less of an economy than most major city but a LOT more people to compete with population wise.

I too, know a number of USC/UCLA/Claremont College alums currently unemployed or underemployed.

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FrankDux (Jan 24, 2012 - 9:17 pm)

I work in Los Angeles (Beverly Hills). I was admitted in November of 2009. The ohter posters are right. the legal market here is very saturated. I don't want to discourage you though. I didn't do great in school and I took the bar several times and got a great job. I know i got lucky though. I know of other people who graduated from local ttt schools and have obtained immigration/PI jobs and are fairly happy.

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jdization (Jan 25, 2012 - 12:57 am)

Everyone's information is very helpful. Keep it coming if you can.

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2BreedBares (Jan 25, 2012 - 1:41 am)

I also practice in LA. I've found it actually easier to get a job here compared to the other CA markets.

Dailyjournal.com has some good LA-centric postings occasionally.

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jdization (Jan 25, 2012 - 12:01 pm)

The thing I like about L.A. is the weather. If your car blows up on the freeway and you have just a little bit of money, you can always buy a cheap motorcycle to get around on, and there's always someone who has a room for rent somewhere.

There is also opportunity for entrepreneurs. I was back there in 1993 near Cal State L.A. Ever see those "homeless" people standing at the intersections next to campus? Average take per person was around $500 a day. No kidding.

I figure I'd have a year to make a buck there before I ended up on skid row. The thought of failing down there and ending up all alone in a city like L.A. is mind-numbing. My backup plan is to get my private patrol license (security guard company) and give that a go while I am starting up my practice. Surely there is a need for security services there. The only thing is the greedy state of California charges $700 for the license and $500 for the manager's license (need both). Damn state is anti-small business, if you ask me.

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tolietdegree (Jan 25, 2012 - 12:12 pm)

I heard there are a lot of gangs down there.

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subprimeJD (Jan 25, 2012 - 12:33 pm)

LA here. Personal injury.

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Mnem (Jan 26, 2012 - 1:18 am)

Know anything about settlement $$s for burns, coffee, and airplanes?

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stuntman (Jan 25, 2012 - 1:45 pm)

LA is not bad compared to the Bay Area. I have recruiters saying they can place me in LA overnight with no problems (for patent work). Bay Area, on the other hand, is a bloodbath.

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shitlawsf (Jan 26, 2012 - 12:00 am)

My sense is the Bay Area/NorCal is bad and getting worse. I've been here 10 years. I have lots of friends who are really struggling at all levels of practice. However, I've never heard of anyone decamping to LA. Not sure if that is a reliable indicator, however.

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2BreedBares (Jan 26, 2012 - 12:15 am)

I've been a Bay Area guy all my life but had to move to LA for my job. I got another friend a job down here...I think it'll be more common.

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hoofhooflaw (Jan 26, 2012 - 12:22 am)

I have out of the job in LA ever since I quit my intolerable job at non-profit. Trust me,it was either the job or my health. I am having a hard time finding anything in LA. I have DC license, thinking of moving to DC. I like immigration law. Can't see myself doing PI work:( what are some good sources of job search other than craigslist,monster and my own school career site? This is depressing :(

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2BreedBares (Jan 26, 2012 - 1:31 am)

I found my job through the Daily Journal classifieds...indeed.com is another source, and maybe you can do doc review to tide yourself over. I'm surprised it's hard to find immigration work in LA.

How long have you been looking?

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sandawg (Jan 26, 2012 - 2:26 am)

The Daily Journal? Seriously?

OP, you won't find a job on TDJ unless you were top 10% of HYS. I'm being SLIGHTLY facetious.

I wasted a good six months or so on the Daily Journal. Same stuffy, pretentious ads every day.

Although I have to give them credit for inspiring trollingforjobs.com which I have to update this weekend.

Anyways, I got my job off craigslist. Thirteen interviews in June 2011. Fuck Daily Journal.

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2BreedBares (Jan 26, 2012 - 2:36 am)

I'm just stating my experience. The employers who post on Daily Journal tend to not get as inundated with resumes as Craigslist employers. I was on DJ for literally a week before I got my first interview offer.

And stats: T2, median, moot court.

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sandawg (Jan 26, 2012 - 2:40 am)

I don't doubt your story, but consider yourself lucky.

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doxie (Jan 26, 2012 - 6:29 am)

OP, I practice in LA at smallish-firm doing corporate defense lit and some transactional stuff. What everone said is right. This city IS very saturated with lawyers.

Unless, you're looking to get into Big Law, your job opportunities will depend on who know you, not where you went to school.

Networking is key.

Good luck!

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jdization (Jan 29, 2012 - 4:24 pm)

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

I was reminded of how L.A. is a love it or hate it kind of place. Go there without money, a dependable vehicle, and housing waiting for you and you will in all likelihood go through hell trying to make it. On the other hand, plan well, stay motivated and follow through on your goals, and you can make it there.

That's what I did years ago after arriving there in an old car (eventually caught fire on the Hollywood Freeway) and with $381 in my pocket. It took me a few years of hellish struggling before I started living a really good life. Man I was happy back then, even while I struggled. I think it was because I was doing what I really wanted to do.

Ten years later I moved out of state to go to law school. Why I left an established and happy life there I'll never fully understand.

I think I stopped being happy the day after I graduated from law school. I think it was because on that day I stopped doing what made me happy. Well, I am going back to L.A. to get my life back. I want to have a shot at real happiness again.

I will have a little more than one year before I will need to make my first buck there. If I don't start making enough to live off by then I will mount a video camera on my motorcycle, drive up to a stretch of Angeles Crest Highway where there is a huge damn a couple of thousand feet below a narrow right curve in the road, crank it up to 140 mph, and then keep on going straight. I might even encase myself in an airbag like structure so I can eventually bounce all the way down the canyon wall, and then splash! I'll be sure to leave a note pinned to my jacket on how to upload the video to youtube. It should be entertaining.

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shitlawsf (Sep 23, 2017 - 10:06 am)

Any 5 year updates from anybody on this thread?

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2breedbares (Sep 24, 2017 - 12:23 am)

Make around 10k a month for state agency in LA.

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ambulancechaser2013 (Sep 23, 2017 - 5:41 pm)

PI defense. Used to do PI plaintiff.

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mrlollipop (Sep 24, 2017 - 1:20 am)

I saw news about a guy posted a craiglist ad in LA area looking for female attorneys, he slept like 20 of them. The police burst him for taking nude pics of them

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ambulancechaser2013 (Sep 24, 2017 - 5:02 pm)

I think the entry level market has improved since 2015. You can get a job now, but it will still pay a pittance.

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